I had just left it since i dont understand all things i must do ,i made worker and a pool but the message from last rent they say is sucessfull i dont have a peny at my stratum pool soo i lost 20k satoshis on in ,and the first loan around 400k satoshis soo its enought for me to stay away from it.I had asked myself why to rent something you can use to mine and profit by yourself,i guess they earn more renting then mining but well without a roi the program wouldnt work,soo some of them are getting profit .
The owners of the rigs are the one's that get the profit mainly. Most renters are either solo miners or alt miners. Alt miners are a little harder to predict ROI as they very so much. Some who mine an altcoin at right time and sell later on might make bank. But others can loose money. Places like most rentals are higher then what the rig would bring mining BTC so there is that premium. But I am suprised quite a lot nicehash/westhash is under BTC price. But add fee's and pool fees almost always you are going to lose money if mining BTC and paying in BTC. And this is why I decided renting my miners was more lucrative tan mining btc directly at any pool. There are exceptions to this bit I don't have the time myself to mine the most profitable coin right now all the time because it changes more often than what my schedule will allow me to follow. As many before have pointed out, more times than none renting miners/hasrate is less efficient than buying/trading for the coin you want to mine. Well Kano has been good so i didn't even get tempted to rent; 30 Day Average 0.00957791 0.00980846 0.00980846 Even with the current slump, its still more than the 0.0090 i saw i could get on mining rig rentals and nicehash has been paying very pool for Sha256 lately. It sound kind of a hassle to have to deal with people with rental contacts too. How many ths is that payout for 1? 30 days average is per TH/s/day. http://ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com/index.phpHeres the raw; Date Total Payout Average Hashrate TH/s Average BTC/TH/s/Day 3 Day Average 5 Day Average 7 Day Average 30 Day Average 2015-10-05 - 2,167 0 0.00313703 0.00576563 0.00563194 0.00957791 2015-10-04 24.79463485 2,464 0.00941110 0.00313703 0.00788472 0.00563194 0.00957791 2015-10-03 - 2,714 0 0.00647235 0.00600250 0.00607684 0.00980846 2015-10-02 - 2,557 0 0.01000416 0.00600250 0.01111134 0.00980846 2015-10-01 50.07366488 2,643 0.01941705 0.01000416 0.00850758 0.01111134 0.01141845 We had a 70% luck last 7 days and we're still at 0.009577/ths/day. Oh wow. Thank you for providing quality info! I did not know about this pool until right now.... you learn something new everyday! Do you have any more free useful knowledge to share? ( seriously in not being sarcastic) I honestly enjoy learning everything I can Cats are awesome. I mean, unless you pick a topic or ask a question, i can't really know what would be useful. I need something to work with. I like to learn so if someone ask something i don't know and i'm interested in the topic i'll usually research it and then i'll know the answer. Relevant to this topic, i can say that i based my comparison with the best prices i found which was Betarigs; https://www.betarigs.com/You can still get over 0.01/ths/day. Kano seemed competitive enough to not bother with the hassle of dealing with "Customers". Damn i hate customers. |
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This happened; https://i.imgur.com/wsM3cJq.png?1https://blockchain.info/tx-index/3d049c1cc0a8077e12911b7bbb75c2662a2ebf82325d0ccd2e578b545c74010d"Transaction rejected by our node. Reason: Conflicting Transactions [DBBitcoinTx [txIndex=105195339, getEstimatedBTCSent()=0, isGeneratedBlockReward()=false, getTotalBTCSent()=0, getHash()=1b0413d81ebe883006f4257bf61209904f950a659e6836eb38925e78ac3c601d, getVersion()=1, getSize()=1700, toString()" Simply by clicking the send button a few time while the wallet was not responding. The label was replaced by the automatically generated info seen there. It was instantly rejected by blockchain.info but still i don't think this is intended to happen. Not a big deal but i thought i'd report it anyways. |
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I had just left it since i dont understand all things i must do ,i made worker and a pool but the message from last rent they say is sucessfull i dont have a peny at my stratum pool soo i lost 20k satoshis on in ,and the first loan around 400k satoshis soo its enought for me to stay away from it.I had asked myself why to rent something you can use to mine and profit by yourself,i guess they earn more renting then mining but well without a roi the program wouldnt work,soo some of them are getting profit .
The owners of the rigs are the one's that get the profit mainly. Most renters are either solo miners or alt miners. Alt miners are a little harder to predict ROI as they very so much. Some who mine an altcoin at right time and sell later on might make bank. But others can loose money. Places like most rentals are higher then what the rig would bring mining BTC so there is that premium. But I am suprised quite a lot nicehash/westhash is under BTC price. But add fee's and pool fees almost always you are going to lose money if mining BTC and paying in BTC. And this is why I decided renting my miners was more lucrative tan mining btc directly at any pool. There are exceptions to this bit I don't have the time myself to mine the most profitable coin right now all the time because it changes more often than what my schedule will allow me to follow. As many before have pointed out, more times than none renting miners/hasrate is less efficient than buying/trading for the coin you want to mine. Well Kano has been good so i didn't even get tempted to rent; 30 Day Average 0.00957791 0.00980846 0.00980846 Even with the current slump, its still more than the 0.0090 i saw i could get on mining rig rentals and nicehash has been paying very pool for Sha256 lately. It sound kind of a hassle to have to deal with people with rental contacts too. How many ths is that payout for 1? 30 days average is per TH/s/day. http://ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com/index.phpHeres the raw; Date Total Payout Average Hashrate TH/s Average BTC/TH/s/Day 3 Day Average 5 Day Average 7 Day Average 30 Day Average 2015-10-05 - 2,167 0 0.00313703 0.00576563 0.00563194 0.00957791 2015-10-04 24.79463485 2,464 0.00941110 0.00313703 0.00788472 0.00563194 0.00957791 2015-10-03 - 2,714 0 0.00647235 0.00600250 0.00607684 0.00980846 2015-10-02 - 2,557 0 0.01000416 0.00600250 0.01111134 0.00980846 2015-10-01 50.07366488 2,643 0.01941705 0.01000416 0.00850758 0.01111134 0.01141845 We had a 70% luck last 7 days and we're still at 0.009577/ths/day. |
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I never got a form to fill out with my S5+ purchase. I could have been lucky or could have been the carrier but I never had to declare a value. But since US ... really does not matter to matter with no vat.
Can you link to some of these partingout? I just have not seen it. Seems crazy to split up a S5+ into selling modules. I don't think they were selling controllers by them self on S5+ from bitmain. It's just pretty limited on number out there that made it publicly.
Now if your talking about S5 parting yes there are many S5's. Some are old some have problems parting them out is much much more common.
You would be the buyer, not the sender. So its Bitmain that need to fill the paperwork. There's this guy with one 1/3 S5+ + S5 controller for sale right now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178317.0And i think Tupsu did some crazy weird things and tried to sell them as well. Is your apartment in US? What I was trying to say and might not be coming through clear is with being US there is no VAT so bitmain filling out paperwork on worth so far has not effected me. Only when PSU's were sent at lower weight then correct have I had to pay any extra. I give you that there is one out there seeing that. But i stick with my prediction there will not be many 1/3 of S5+'s at least until they are older by a good amount. And working set I think will stick together in most cases. Oh no i'm in Canada, the tax depend on the declared value of the package, which is done by Bitmain. For a S5 when it was 400USD i paid 20$~ import tax. Meanwhile the half working s5 i received from tarzan2 cost me 0. The form need to be fill regardless of the value of whatever's in the package. I've had to pay import fee from the US and i had to give a form back when i sent back a PSU to the US and there was some border fee. Its kind of wacky. Basically it range from 0 to 30%~ or something, it depend on what it is. Sidehack's batch was 20%~, the zeus miners i got were 6%~ and the parts psu i got were 1%~ |
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I'm *trying* go to towards fulltime Bitcoin income but I still am not making enough to make ends meet. I hope once I get my loans site up I will begin making a commission from lenders.
Good luck with that, there's a lot of bad blood toward any such thing because of how many scam there is and has been around such services or actually nearly everything, heh. I'm guessing for a basic living, it should not be that hard, considering that earning 0.1-0.3btc per day with side jobs and mining at home is pretty doable. |
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I had just left it since i dont understand all things i must do ,i made worker and a pool but the message from last rent they say is sucessfull i dont have a peny at my stratum pool soo i lost 20k satoshis on in ,and the first loan around 400k satoshis soo its enought for me to stay away from it.I had asked myself why to rent something you can use to mine and profit by yourself,i guess they earn more renting then mining but well without a roi the program wouldnt work,soo some of them are getting profit .
The owners of the rigs are the one's that get the profit mainly. Most renters are either solo miners or alt miners. Alt miners are a little harder to predict ROI as they very so much. Some who mine an altcoin at right time and sell later on might make bank. But others can loose money. Places like most rentals are higher then what the rig would bring mining BTC so there is that premium. But I am suprised quite a lot nicehash/westhash is under BTC price. But add fee's and pool fees almost always you are going to lose money if mining BTC and paying in BTC. And this is why I decided renting my miners was more lucrative tan mining btc directly at any pool. There are exceptions to this bit I don't have the time myself to mine the most profitable coin right now all the time because it changes more often than what my schedule will allow me to follow. As many before have pointed out, more times than none renting miners/hasrate is less efficient than buying/trading for the coin you want to mine. Well Kano has been good so i didn't even get tempted to rent; 30 Day Average 0.00957791 0.00980846 0.00980846 Even with the current slump, its still more than the 0.0090 i saw i could get on mining rig rentals and nicehash has been paying very pool for Sha256 lately. It sound kind of a hassle to have to deal with people with rental contacts too. |
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I think it sucks but I think you got a dud. I think it is more then just software with it being on it's 3rd blade. Just is a lot of bad to happen to one unit.
I still am running along with my S5+ happily with no issues. It runs and runs for weeks without touching it. I don't know if it helps but something with my mining area is a lot of CFM's of air going through my miners from big fans pushing that hot air away.
That is only thing I have done that not everyone would have. But mine has not had any issues besides hardware errors. Somehow they messed up the equation with HW errors and when I run for long periods with very little hw errors it shows a very very small negative which is impossible.
Well if i get a 1/3rd of a already working and used S5+, hopefully i won't run into the issues Tupsu did. I'm just guessing the odds of getting 1/3rd of a S5+ without a controller for a good price, comparable to just getting some S5's is a bit low. Especially since the deal is killed if the person is outside NA, most likely.
If someone selling parts of a S5+ wanted a quick sale and eat the shipping cost and declared it was worth very little, just parts, it would probably then be worth buying from the US. But there is an awful lots of Americans that don,t want to fill that little form for clearing customs.
I didn't have to sign any customs forms when I got my S5+ from bitmain. It could have varied by carrier. I did pay extra for PSU's the 3 were shipped at a weight less then actual from bitmain, so carrier charged me the difference. But that was all I had to do. And I would agree chances of getting 1/3 of one is pretty slim. It was a pretty limited sale to customers. I can't imagine someone splitting up the set of 3 when selling. Its usually the sender that fill the form depicting what the content is and its value, since its used at custom to decide how its handled and then calculate the tax. When its part its easy to say its just parts and they don't have value you can really look up. And i saw people selling 1/3rd of a S5 with a controller so it should be just as easy for them to sell without a controller. If they happen to not have one spare but i don't know. I think with the S7 a lot of people who bought the S5+ might be wondering if they did the right thing. At least for people that pay a significant price on their electricity. And i'm fine with only picking up S5's till i cap my appartment's capacity. But when hunting for good deals its best to be open to more than one type of miner. I never got a form to fill out with my S5+ purchase. I could have been lucky or could have been the carrier but I never had to declare a value. But since US ... really does not matter to matter with no vat. Can you link to some of these partingout? I just have not seen it. Seems crazy to split up a S5+ into selling modules. I don't think they were selling controllers by them self on S5+ from bitmain. It's just pretty limited on number out there that made it publicly. Now if your talking about S5 parting yes there are many S5's. Some are old some have problems parting them out is much much more common. You would be the buyer, not the sender. So its Bitmain that need to fill the paperwork. There's this guy with one 1/3 S5+ + S5 controller for sale right now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178317.0And i think Tupsu did some crazy weird things and tried to sell them as well. |
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I've restarted the solo pool with new code to add some stats that should make it easier to track workers now. See the solo thread for details. Good luck!
Very nice -ck, thanks for the update, this is definitively helpful; {"hashrate1m": "8.57G", "hashrate5m": "8.62G", "hashrate1hr": "8.92G", "hashrate1d": "8.98G", "hashrate7d": "12.5M", "lastupdate": 1444023998, "shares": 1755, "bestshare": 4519846.1953106932} It seem the 7D is only basing since the last reboot but that look okay, it will be easier to tell if someone is permanently gone from the pool or not since sometimes something can happen early in the day and you can't fix it till the next. And in the case we find a block, knowing which worker found it will be very helpful  |
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Currently not looking too good. Probably will be at least +5%. I guess the shipping delays didn't stop the hashrate increase.
It makes you wonder of the hardware volume the other companies are Onlining. We're pretty much stalking and basing many analysis about what Bitmain will online next but the truth is i don't even think 51%+ of the hashrate comes from Antminers. And while most companies are telling us home miner to fuck off, they are most likely thriving behind closed doors. Ugh. |
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@Aurel57, according to the previous owner, he had it set to DHCP... Erm... Actually, when I asked him what the addresses of the miners were (because I had already been having trouble at that point), he said this...
"They're set to use DHCP. I configured my router to know their MAC address and used that to give them a static IP address. You'll need to fire one up and see what IP it got from whatever router/computer in your network is your DHCP server and then log into that IP address. Login is root/password."
Thats how i do it with all my Ants as well and how i did it with the S3 i had for a brief time a few months back. I find static IP protocol Icky but maybe thats just me. Oh, and not to spam you guys, but the only reason I haven't bother to do the SSH thing is because I'd have to hook it back up with a different power supply, etc. I realized like two hours ago that I had something due for college tomorrow. Ugh... lol
Its fine, just let us know when you get to it. We're all patients and will (probably) survive the wait  |
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Even if you have free electricity ROI is hard to reach if you spend money for miners
In 4 years with free electricity, one still may not make their money back? I'm personally not a miner, and I understand it's too late in the game for the general population to get involved... but that sounds ridiculous. With free electricity, OP still shouldn't expect to turn a profit? It is actually possible to not reach ROI even with free electricity. I'm fairly certain any method used 4 years ago couldn't even get a single share in a pool or solve a block alone right now. However, unless you buy a really outdated miner or difficulty goes up incredibly fast, people should be able to ROI in about 6 months (very rough estimate). Well if you buy S5's for 1.5k USD a piece, then i guess its possible, but unless you do a terrible investment, i'm pretty sure you can ROI any current miner and old gen decent miners like S1/2/3/4/5 SP's and Avalon. I think you mean S7's. But the argument there is efficiency that it could mine twice as long as lets say S5 on same electricity remaining profitable. It in most cases will be more then 6 months. 3 and even 6 months are pretty much done unless "free" electricity and old gear like S3 which have gotten very cheap considering you still get a good miner. But long term S7 (as long as you dont have crazy VAT, or high electricity) should ROI if difficulty does not go crazy. Some ROI might include selling the machine to get that ROI. But likely with mining and selling I see most who did the math before hand ROI. Like I said if you have 25 percent vat or .15+ electricity then yes most likely you lose. (And were getting close to winter so I'm sure some will say a little loss is for heating rooms but that highly varies) No i mean S5s. Since what i'm replying to is someone saying it can be possible to NOT roi in FOUR(4) YEARS with free electricity, you'd have to do a majorly bad investment in which miner you pick and which price you take them at to NOT roi in 4 years. I just don't see how you can not roi in four years with free electricity. |
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Bitmain could still have a better replacement system. For instance they can and they do run the "outdated hardware" in their own mines for an extended period of time. We know that they keep some, since we know they still have some S2's. Since they can ship them out. So they could easily have a portion of the miners alloted to stripping down for parts when needed. For instance if its within the 3 month garante, you could maybe send a picture proof and get a replacement shipped.
Some farms operated by Bitmain are owned by third parties, like the S2 farm that was advertised. With a finite amount of space they don't necessarily hold sufficient stock of older miners. Also it would long term kill the farm's. It's hard to tell but most likely there is a piece that is most returned. If they kept pulling from miners even a few a day this would really add up. Imagine a farm with miners sitting on shelfs waiting to be parted out. Just does not make sense. I do agree it would be nice if they made some things in quantity they have long after warranty. But as a business I cannot expect them to keep stock forever in a industry that moves so fast. And asking to go from 90 to 1 year is just a lot. If you wanted more reasonable find some reason that 4-5 months is needed over 3. If you can find a reason X part craps out every... or some justification that is good enough to warrant them moving it. Unless we have some good justification then we want better I don't see it happening. Well there shouldn't be that many miner breaking down and needing to be replaced, but if so then yes. They need to be able to fulfill their warranty anyways, and having miners offline on shelves waiting to be used as replacement for buyers isint really good because its wasted value. So they should mine with them. People would get used part replacement but then you're sure they're working right. From what i understand right now, Bitmain have you ship back your miner and they try to fix it, then ship it back, sometime they mess up and forget parts and do not fix it. Overall its a pretty abysmal quality of service. |
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I think it sucks but I think you got a dud. I think it is more then just software with it being on it's 3rd blade. Just is a lot of bad to happen to one unit.
I still am running along with my S5+ happily with no issues. It runs and runs for weeks without touching it. I don't know if it helps but something with my mining area is a lot of CFM's of air going through my miners from big fans pushing that hot air away.
That is only thing I have done that not everyone would have. But mine has not had any issues besides hardware errors. Somehow they messed up the equation with HW errors and when I run for long periods with very little hw errors it shows a very very small negative which is impossible.
Well if i get a 1/3rd of a already working and used S5+, hopefully i won't run into the issues Tupsu did. I'm just guessing the odds of getting 1/3rd of a S5+ without a controller for a good price, comparable to just getting some S5's is a bit low. Especially since the deal is killed if the person is outside NA, most likely.
If someone selling parts of a S5+ wanted a quick sale and eat the shipping cost and declared it was worth very little, just parts, it would probably then be worth buying from the US. But there is an awful lots of Americans that don,t want to fill that little form for clearing customs.
I didn't have to sign any customs forms when I got my S5+ from bitmain. It could have varied by carrier. I did pay extra for PSU's the 3 were shipped at a weight less then actual from bitmain, so carrier charged me the difference. But that was all I had to do. And I would agree chances of getting 1/3 of one is pretty slim. It was a pretty limited sale to customers. I can't imagine someone splitting up the set of 3 when selling. Its usually the sender that fill the form depicting what the content is and its value, since its used at custom to decide how its handled and then calculate the tax. When its part its easy to say its just parts and they don't have value you can really look up. And i saw people selling 1/3rd of a S5 with a controller so it should be just as easy for them to sell without a controller. If they happen to not have one spare but i don't know. I think with the S7 a lot of people who bought the S5+ might be wondering if they did the right thing. At least for people that pay a significant price on their electricity. And i'm fine with only picking up S5's till i cap my appartment's capacity. But when hunting for good deals its best to be open to more than one type of miner. |
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It just take me to a login screen, and i can't find them on ebay using that name. If someone buy a batch, let me know i'd be interested. Even easier if you buy it to Canada. I don't know alibaba but if they can sell a batch and ship it to my address, maybe a 3rd party that know Alibaba could do the deal. Then it'd be easier to ship them out to whoeever need them. But i'm guessing this is probably what Jabberwock is doing anyways so we can probably wait until he has a batch for sale. |
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The easiest way to bypass all the fan issues is to run them at either 7v or 5v from the PSU. It is easy to accomplish and very effective. I think making a "custom" S5+ and using some inexpensive fans like the Yate Loons would work great. Here is an explanation of running them at either 5 or 7 volts, which can be done without the switch described in the following article. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article6-page1.htmlI picked up 4 of the S7's and immediately switched all the fans to Scythe UltraKaze which are probably my favorite fans for a variety of reasons. They spin at 3000 rpm putting out 133 cfm at a low 45 db. Not the cheapest but last forever. The last point is that they are great where static pressure is an issue, such as the tightly spaced fins on Bitmain products. I can now be in the same neighborhood as the S7's and hear my family talking. I'd rather find a fan that always run at full speed and does the job, since wiring shit is kind of annoying. Sound a pain since you can't feed the -5v back to your PSU. Or maybe use a resistor cable? Well whatevers. I need those 18 pins cables first anyways. |
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Even if you have free electricity ROI is hard to reach if you spend money for miners
In 4 years with free electricity, one still may not make their money back? I'm personally not a miner, and I understand it's too late in the game for the general population to get involved... but that sounds ridiculous. With free electricity, OP still shouldn't expect to turn a profit? It is actually possible to not reach ROI even with free electricity. I'm fairly certain any method used 4 years ago couldn't even get a single share in a pool or solve a block alone right now. However, unless you buy a really outdated miner or difficulty goes up incredibly fast, people should be able to ROI in about 6 months (very rough estimate). Well if you buy S5's for 1.5k USD a piece, then i guess its possible, but unless you do a terrible investment, i'm pretty sure you can ROI any current miner and old gen decent miners like S1/2/3/4/5 SP's and Avalon. |
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Looks like tomorrow is the big day for delivery of ONE.
Friday I guess a bunch will ship.
Has been a LONG wait.
The Chinese are on that holiday so its very possible there will be no more delivery than last week. At least until next week. A lot of people were saying how their orders were not being shipped/filled/confirmed before it started so its possible they took a long break or something. |
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My next step is prototyping an 8-chip small board, as a first test of power systems and integrated controls. All I have to work with is BM1384, unfortunately, which are noncompetitive and can't really be had in quantity anyway. If it's good enough I might try to work out an exchange thing where folks with dead S5 boards can trade them for working pods made with pull chips. Sort of a version of Technobit's Minion exchange for HEX4M boards, except of course for the part where everyone gets ripped off.
In case anyone's wondering, I just now thought up that exchange idea. It's entirely possible that I'll make exactly one board as an in-house test and then do nothing at all with the design, proceeding straight to a 30-chip board sized for an S1 instead. I like the idea of a nice adjustable CPU-cooler'd pod but it has to be economically feasible.
I throw my money at the screen but nothing happen! Jk. Well if i could easily start mining with those boards without having to buy stuff to go along with it, i could be interested in those boards. Basically efficiency is a secondary concern to me. GH/$ is more important, as long as its acceptably efficient. I may be interested in putting money into this and maybe that dead PCB i mentioned before. |
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i dont have a job so i will go full time in bitcoin, and my goal is to gain 0.5 to 0.10 btc a day. i think thats not hard it's indeed possible with multiple account and signature campaign, 1 hero give you 0.12 a week, so with 5 of those you're there 0.6 a week i can't see any other way to earn that much without buying bitcoin how about gambling? that way faster to earn 0.10 btc per day + couple bottles of beer if you got lucky, just dont forget your limit. your goal is to gain 0.10 only, nothing more because we know all being greedy will make you losewait what? Sorry, but I would never quit my day job for .1 per day? I make like 10x that doing a real job in real life FFS.  Well if you make 85k USD per year, then my hat off to you. I know many have that much or more, but i live with 0.1BTC per day, so i would understand why someone could be satisfied with 0.1BTC as income. Especially since i live in a first world country and in some place, you can live like a god for that much money since everything is crazy cheap. |
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Oh hey look, one hundred pages. How 'bout that. Maybe I should actually get around to demonstrating progress beyond a stickminer, eh?
I'll take a couple of Zeroboard, or whatever you called them, please. Some cost effective pods would be interesting too. Have you decided if you're going to go with the simpler 4-5 chips pods or the S AntMiner replacement/upgrade boards first? |
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