+1.
This screamed out loud to me the first time I saw it and has done ever since.
It looks like some form of high gloss polyurethane varnish, totally inappropriate treatment for a rare piece of very hard wood (if that's what it is).


Yeah, a visual play on the BTC growing in the hive.
To have bees waxed the finished item would have been in keeping with this and allowed some patina to develop in the future, rather than gloss varnishing it to look like plastic.

Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. No, I am not someone else. Yes, I would like to see the carving video.

I fully understand that anyone can direct a site to another without permission. Sometimes it can indicate that one business has been taken over by another.
That's why I asked .website management for clarification, a simple answer to avoid confusion for minethatcloud account holders.
Do you speak for the management of .website?

This thread is titled "Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition".

As far as I can see, Nubbins makes $45 screen prints, whereas Woodcollector makes $$$ wall hanging sculptures and cheap bongs and dildos.
How are they in competition? 

I see minethatcloud.com is redirecting to your site.
Are they doing this with your permission?
If so, what is the relationship between Cloudmining.website and minethatcloud.com?
Will minethatcloud contractees become .website clients?

Thanks.

Be careful what you wish for.
The relationship between derivatives and the "underlying asset" is complex but, although it might seem counter intuitive, derivatives can definitely affect the volatility and price of the "real" market they are supposed to be tracking.
Involvement with the Derivatives Industry will mean they will demand minimum standards for bitcoin's exchange infrastructure.
They will want to make sure that if anybody is manipulating prices, it's them.
This is a Dance with the Devil imo. Remember even Warren Buffet, everyone's favorite, called Derivatives "financial weapons of mass destruction".

26 days, 5 hours and 9 minutes.

I work online 60 hours a week, there's usually a BCT tab open.

He has been caught red handed in lies and subterfuge with a known scammer and is still in denial about it.
He doesn't even address the above fatal flaw in his argument for a "fair ponzi".
If it wasn't in his own original game plan to rig the game, I'm sure it was in moreia's, else what was the need for the "investors" moreia said he had in place in the Skype call? He wasn't referring to gamblers, he was referring to alts to be tipped off and organized to keep the scam running whilst being paid thru early placement of their rigged bets, with williamj2543 directly personally benefiting thru his share of the 5%.

williamj2543's original motivation was pure greed and his reaction since he was unmasked as a liar has been to cover his ass.
He deserves all the negative trust he gets.

my bolds.

These +++

Until someone can address this without strawmanning off into irrelevant comparisons with dice, poker, sports bets etc., the fact remains that, even without the risk of the operator just running off with huge deposits, there is no way any "ponzi games" are better or more trustworthy than out and out Ponzi schemes.

 

To be honest mate, I wouldn't believe a word that came out of your mouth. The last time I came across you, "almost a hero member", you were shilling the cryptcominer.com Ponzi.

Is moreia the "idiot partner"?

I was going to reply but


WHAT A FUCKING JOKE.

I've just done a bit more digging and Iqonia's parent company, white balance GMBH, appears to be owned by All3media Capital Ltd. a long term, multi million £ London registered media company.
This all subject to verification: having said that, I might be joining you.

Not counting any chickens just yet, but these Iqonia guys sound promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927973.0

Will compile a score when a bit more info available.

Congratulations on your attempt to provide a transparent mining service.
I'll be following your set up with interest, as I am sick and tired of being asked to invest in schemes which are obvious scams (one mentioned above).
I know you have a website Q&A page, but could you help me out with a couple of queries here?

Your parent company is White Balance Gmbh,  http://www.whitebalance.de/cms/ yes?
They seem to be a consultancy type operation, this must be quite a new thing for them, capital investment in mining.
Did this come about from Iqonia selling the concept to them, or was it an in-house project that you decided to go with yourselves?
Also, just to be clear, you have no association with Iqonia in Salzburg?

In your T&C's there are just a couple of things:
18 ) mentions UK law, but Bremen as the court of first instance? Why is that?
 8 ) KYC. Does the identification procedure apply to non fiat purchases?

Thanks.
As I say, good luck, I feel that I may have at last found a home for some coin.

The lower the coin price, the more people showing a paper loss.
If they got into bitcoin to make a quick buck or aren't content/can't afford to hodl through, then some will become desperate to mitigate their losses.
Desperate people throw caution and good practice (like due dilligence) to the wind, becoming easy prey for scammers=more potential victims in a bear market.

In a situation where mining is marginally profitable because of the price, it beats me why people think it's a good sector in which to invest.

Also, of course, there's the pov that BTC itself is the investment, like e.g. gold. If it's a crap investment because the price is going down that's one thing, trying to recover your losses by giving it to some guy who promises you the earth is another.

 

Another encouragement for scammers is that the scammed don't seem to learn.
There's an Einstein quote along the lines of "Insanity is repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results".
It applies in Bitcoinland as well as irl.
Look at the number of victims of PB who have gone straight out and "invested" in other totally unverfiable, too-good-to-be-true scams waiting to happen.
Even worse, they are so far in denial that they actually defend these rip offs, identify in some way with them and attack people who are skeptical. 


Yeah, scammers may be the hammer, but the serially scammed are the nails.

Of course they aren't.
Selling by misrepresentation of the product is a crime in most jurisdictions.
Any legit business that was accused of doing this, like MtC is here, would bend over backwards to provide simple proof and shut critics up.
MtC are responding in a typical scammers way: hostility, ad hominems, strawmen and obfuscation.
Their few supporters are just as bad, either socks or naive marks with a sinking feeling in their gut and a dose of Stockholm Syndrome.

Please explain which reasonings have been shallow...
The costings?
The payment/receipt trail?

None of the people asking questions have money in this scheme because it fulfills zero criteria for a trustworthy investment.
What are your reasons for trusting and supporting unverifiable claims made by anonymous people, to the extent you send them money?

There are indeed, a couple of people on this thread with about 1 brain cell between them......"investors" is the term.

Don't call people names and sign off "peace to all", makes you look an even bigger dick than already.