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3021  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Dollar on: March 11, 2016, 03:50:46 PM
So guys, in a world where the 10% of total transaction are with BTC, what is the advantages for a normal family? What this kind of money can solve? In particular, if some rich don't spend BTC to increase the value and less BTC are spent, how can deflating happen?

Particular, which CONCRETE advantages can the people get from BTC?

Thank you.
exactly not mny CONCRETE advantages can the people get from BTC,maybe just multiple function from bitcoin,i mean bitcoin have two function,as payment or currecny and as investement,because Dollar cannot use as investement.
3022  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: London Bitcoin Forum was likely a scam, and several news sites covered it up on: March 11, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
A new report from Bitcoinist is saying that the highly-publicized London Bitcoin Forum is probably a scam that cheated lots of people out of their money. What's even crazier is that some big Bitcoin news sites silently removed their reports on the Forum once they caught wind of the scam. CoinDesk, Bitcoinist, and BraveNewCoin are a few of the big sites that reported on the scam. Out of those three, it looks like Bitcoinist is the only one to give its readers an update. Should sites be able to just sweep things like this under the rug without informing the public, do you think that's unethical?

Article link: http://bitcoinist.net/london-bitcoin-forum-likely-scam/
so,you warn us who join on that forum?because i dont join to that forum,so i dont care,and everything who covered with only site,even that site popular,its will not effective. anyway,thanks for share and warn people from this forum who also join on London Bitcoin forum.
3023  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is a good way to concisely explain Bitcoin? on: March 11, 2016, 03:02:47 PM
Hi guys, any 1 or 2 words that explain bitcoin.  Wink
Im doing an article about bitcoin. i was wondering if theres a 1 word that explain bircoin.

Thanks.
use 2 words to explain about bitcoin,that words is "future" & "payment"  use that on your article,i'm sure so many new comer will curious and interesting about this,and you can explain with long sentences if they start read your article.
3024  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why do you have Bitcoin? on: March 11, 2016, 02:57:59 PM
not weird,so many people collect and hold bitcoin for price increase,and poll said like that,but i'm pick "Buying other things/Using as Currency" as well,because i'm agree if bitcoin as payment than used for investement.
3025  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A 7-Yr Prison Term for Bitcoin Use, Says Russian Finance Ministry on: March 11, 2016, 02:55:22 PM
i'm not interesting about news like this,and i dont care if this true or not,i just believe that bitcoin still accepted in many country,and only Russia doing this,its not make me scary or sureprise,everything can happen.
3026  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 10, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
If you had to convert all your wealth to either Bitcoin or gold and keep it there for 10 years, which would you choose? Keep in mind the fact that Bitcoin has only been around for 5 years, and could be fundamentally different in any number of ways in 10 years.
of course i will choose gold,i will not take risk by convert all my wealth to something that have not certain future,have no certain price and not acceptable in every place,i will not do that Grin
3027  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: March 10, 2016, 05:37:07 PM
the only way that causing bitcoin price is not matter for us,when we all use bitcoin as payment and currency,not as investement. as long we use bitcoin as investement,bitcoin price will always matter for us.
3028  Economy / Economics / Re: When do you buy Bitcoin ? on: March 10, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Just wondering when everyone buys bitcoin, weekly, monthly or just on the falls?  thinking of setting up something regular to ride out the waves.....  Grin
i'm not buy bitcoins,i'm not a trader,so i just collect and earn bitcoin from many way,but i think buying bitcoi was not bad,buy everytime when the price falling,now is the right time,and wait until price increase.
3029  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing Bitcoins? on: March 10, 2016, 05:20:36 PM
Its good now to invest in some Bitcoins. The value is not that high so that is pretty good. We all hope that it will be more worth.
But you never know what will happen later in the future with the value of Bitcoin, it can also be going down and that will be not good.
i think all of us relize about this,bitcoin price have chance to going down so low,but i also think if we invest our bitcoin,it will a good way,so we just wait for our investement,and not too worry about bitcoin price.
3030  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: would you have the courage to do this? on: March 10, 2016, 05:03:46 PM
Ashley Revell, 32, had sold everything he had – his house, his car and even his clothes.  He placed all the money on Red at a Roulette table in the Plaza Hotel and Casino Las Vegas, aaaaand..........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGCdBsOIKYA



crazy,your life decided only by black and white roulette  Shocked i think Ashley is really2 crazy man,he gambling with entire life savings on one roulette spin!
3031  Other / Off-topic / Re: Getting My First Whole Bitcoin? on: March 10, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
I have been using Bitcoin since June 2015 and still don't have a whole Bitcoin.

What is the fastest way to get my first Bitcoin (without purchasing one myself)!

Please share any systems that you use, or PM me with the systme if you don't want it sharing with any other party.
be patient until you have senior or hero member,and then join yobit signature campaign,i'm sure in within 20 weeks,you will get your first whole bitcoin,the key is keep posting and waiting.
3032  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you holding your bitcoin for a price increase? on: March 10, 2016, 02:45:58 PM
So are you holding your bitcoins for future events such as halving or you more like to spend your bitcoins when you get it? I personally like to spend it for digital goods usually...
honestly,i dont hope this,wait for price increase and hold until the best price,but i can't denied that bitcoin price with good price will give us profit,even i used bitcoins for daily used,i always leave behind some bitcoins for price increase.
3033  Other / Off-topic / Re: du you spend coins on real life. on: March 10, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
there are few cafes shops in the uk thats accepts coin and i somehow spend some  have you your experience ? and how did you feel? when i was  sending coin  peoplein the cafe was looking at me and asked me about it truly i feelt like im .... hurraaaaaaaa
not many store and people accept bitcoin in real life,i mean for normal transaction,almost all of them use bitcoin for online transaction,but i'm sure there was people who sell any goods with bitcoin payment directly,but i never try to make transaction like that in my towni hope i can be the first.
3034  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Domain for 5000 $ !!!!! on: March 10, 2016, 01:18:52 PM
I was just surfing the net and looked up for domains starting with bitcoin and i found this huge difference between the .com,.info, .biz and .ga and .gq
They were being sold for a massive 5000 Dollars !!!  Shocked Take a look below :

crap!  Shocked do you have any idea why that price so expensive?its just domain,and even its domain forever,i dont think its good domain for bitcoin. and behind that dot,is not familiar,i think if you use this domain,you will get hard to SEO your site.
3035  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ATM on: March 10, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
Does anyone use Bitcoin ATMs? Where are you located? I live in California; there were about 10 ATMs in the area, but over the past couple years were removed.. Now there are only 2 that I know of.

Do you guys find Bitcoin ATM's useful or have a need for them?

i dont see any advantage of bitcoin ATM,in my country have 2 bitcoin ATM,and its located in different island,and i dont see that ATM have many user,people not interest and more comfort use online wallet or exchange to doing transaction.
3036  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your plan to get rich with Bitcoin? on: March 10, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Hey guys,

I just spoke to a guy over chat who told me his plan was to get 100 BTC, wait for the price to reach $5k per BTC and retire after that. Since he lives in a third world county, that might be possible for him. I know this is a simplification of the problem but I d like to know what s your plan. How many BTC is your goal, at what price and what happens once you reach that goal. After all, we have all been involved in a dream, why not dream it a bit more.  Grin
that's not was a plan,but a dream Grin 100BTC is not too much if bitcoin price stay on level $400 .you need more and more bitcoin,lets be realistic,if bitcoin price stay like now,i just need 1000 BTC to get rich on ge 40,and i will retire if i got that amount,not easy,but still possible.
3037  Economy / Services / Re: 20 BTC bounty for finding Jason Boyko (Pbmining) on: March 10, 2016, 08:17:22 AM
Time is up for you Jason Boyko!
I`m offering 20 bitcoins reward for the person who finds Jason Boyko or another guys who was working with Pbmining.com.
This reward will be paid only when Jason Boyko is found and he has paid the the (lost) bitcoins.

We know you are still here in the forum, so better not to hide anymore, I`ll find you!

another scammer site and the owner is hide and hide like mice. i suggest you to dont looking for Jason Boyko in this forum,i doubt you will find him,just make some notice and report him to IC3 (internet crime complaint center) and make him arrested is the best way.
3038  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you call someone with 1000BTC? on: March 09, 2016, 05:55:06 PM
Someone with a million dollars, euros, pounds or pesos is a millionaire. No one (Okay maybe Satoshi) has a million Bitcoins and probably never will.

So what's someone with BTC1000 called? A thousandaire? There's got to be a better name. 'Bitcoin Whale' is just so meaningless and some people don't consider BTC1000 a whale anyways.

What should we call a Bitcoin thousandaire?

Update: We should come up with a name for someone with a thousand Bitcoins. Why, you ask? We need to stop converting Bitcoins to fiat and vice versa. Treat it as a currency or a vessel to hold your wealth. Saying someone with 1000 Bitcoins is 'someone with $400,000USD' will be pointless at some point in our lifetimes.

Let's come up with a name so we stop comparing Bitcoins to fiat. You wouldn't tell someone with 10M pesos that because they're worth less than dollars they aren't a millionaire based on American dollars. You also wouldn't compare USD to gold anytime someone brought up how much a house costs.

Me: "Hey Bill. I'm buying the big house at the top of the hill for $1,000,000"
Bill: "Oh so like 25kg of gold?"

That's just ludicrous. No one compares different currencies or vessels of wealth as much as Bitcoiners. Let's stop it by coming up with basic terms.
if i meet people with more than 1000 bitcoin,i will call them "Bitcoin King"
its match with people who have so much bitcoin,and of course if bitcoin price going up more and more,that person will have so much money.
3039  Other / Off-topic / Re: In 20 years, what would you like to do with your bitcoin? on: March 09, 2016, 05:52:33 PM
i guess bitcoin will not exist anymore in next 20 years,and on that year my age reach 44,i hope i'm still alive,and relize that bitcoin will only become legend of future payment,legend of crypto currency. i said bitcoin will not exist because until now bitcoin dont have official developer who focuse with bitcoin technology.
3040  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If bitcoin ever goes mainstream on: March 09, 2016, 05:48:01 PM
If bitcoin ever goes mainstream it will surely ruin the lifes of all the ones invested in fiat (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180798.0). Gresham's Law will destroy their fiat savings, since everyone will want the stronger bitcoin and will dump fiat, devaluating it. We'll see it happen first in the troubled economies, with high inflation and generalized suspicion on governmental money because of past problems.

And I have little doubt that bitcoin won't bring any equality, on the contrary. It will make us bitcoiners rich, but it will be at the expenses of fiat holders.

Because I doubt bitcoin will bring much prosperity, since it will establish a deflationary monetary system. But maybe it will be possible to minimize those deflationary effects:

a) Commercial banks will adopt a bitcoin fractional reserve system, lending bitcoins with only partial support on their holdings. That will allow an artificial (banking) expansion of the amount of bitcoins, thanks to the so-called banking money multiplier.
But since it will be hard to keep a trustworthy insurance of deposits (the government won't have enough bitcoins for that and can't create them), the system will be much more susceptible to runs.
And the interest will have to be high, because most people will prefer to have the bitcoins in their own wallets. So, forget about low interest rates. Well, high real interest rates (aggravated by potential deflation) can ruin any economy, since they thwart many productive investment based on credit.

b) It also might be created a bitcoin pattern, with governments printing money freely convertible in bitcoins. But I can see already the runs on the government on times of crises.

How will the central bank in depressions stimulate the economy?
It won't be possible to do any quantitative easing. Borrowing bitcoins to lend them at cheaper interest rates to the commercial banks won't be cheap.

How will the Government control massive tax evasion, especially if the anonymity of bitcoin improves?  
They will find a way, nothing has destroyed the State in more than 13 thousand years of hierarchical societies. Bitcoin won't be able to do it. It seems we will be subject to intense control of our use of the Internet in order to track our earnings and spending of bitcoins. Some we'll be able to evade it. But the majority won't.

Will the volatility of bitcoin ever end?
The increase of its users will keep bitcoin's price going up. However, because supply and demand is controlled by human perceptions and emotions, after a huge boom in price it will always come a bust. Every overshooting of the price will be followed by a general perception that the price increased too fast and, consequently, by a drop.
For volatility to end, it would be necessary a general adoption of bitcoin that would limit in percentual terms further increases of new users taking in account the already large numbers of users. Currently, since the number of users is relatively low, it's easy to see its numbers increase for more than 30% in a short period. But since the numbers of bitcoin are limited (and the current rate of increase is relatively small and it will be again limited in 2016), the ending of volatility would also require or a stagnant GDP or a fractional reserve system based on bitcoin that would allow its banking numbers to artificially increase side by side with GDP. That won't happen for years. Volatility is here to stay for long.

Will this scenario be the future?
It's impossible to say. But bitcoin seems to have already a too strong standing to fade away on it own.
Another better alt coin might be a stronger obstacle than fiat. But bitcoin can always adopt any improvements.

Can governments still destroy it?
An international coordinated effort against the main exchanges and sites could indeed hurt heavily bitcoin. Even our own wallets are susceptible to attacks by virus/worms (remember Stuxnet?) and the network can also be affected. Access to it can be blocked by ISPs at governmental command. Many could evade these blocks, but the major part of the bitcoiners would give up, taking in account also the risk of sanctions. That indeed would spook major investors.
This can still happen and it will happen on troubled economies. The outcome is anyone's guess, it would depend on governmental coordination and level of effort. Governments lost similar wars (drugs, alcohol, prostitution), but bitcoin is an easier target than these activities. It's not a surprise that, besides scams, governmental repression has been the main negative driver of price.

What would be the consequences of this massive adoption over the price?
I can't even imagine what would be the price of bitcoin. Forget about all the low previsions you read before.


But the genie is out of the bottle. There is nothing we can do, except tell about it.


added 14 March 2015:

What is bitcoin going mainstream?

One can use different criteria.

1) A percentage of the amount of the total expenses on one year. But even 1% would be huge and would imply a very high price for bitcoin. However, according to the mentioned Gresham's Law, bitcoin will be hoarded and only rarely spent. It's like gold. Gold is part of mainstream, but people don't exchange it much, they prefer to keep it. On the main functions of money, mean of exchange, unit of account and reserve of value, I think the last will be bitcoin's main function. It won't be used much as unite of value, because of its volatility (many places that accept bitcoin prefer to announce the prices in USDs). It won't be used a lot as mean of payment, because people will mostly hoard it.

2) Accessibility: the fact that anyone can easily buy, sell and pay with bitcoin. Clearly, this is decisive. If we could exchange and spend bitcoins on the majority of banks' ATMs and retailers, we could say bitcoin is mainstream. But imagine that even in these conditions bitcoin kept being scarcely used, with small demand.  It wouldn't be mainstream. Many physical businesses complain they never had customers paying with bitcoin. So, this is a necessary condition, but it isn't enough.

3) A percentage of people owning it. This seems to be a good criterion. But it isn't easy to establish a number: 10% seems enough, but not 1% or even 5%. 70 or even 350 million users on the all world would be great, but not enough for talking about mainstream. I guess only at 10% we would start to see unfold the problems above mentioned. But this kind of projections is hard to make.

Think about Paypal (I hate it, but let's use it as example). Is Paypal mainstream? I don't think so. It had a volume of transactions of only 180 billion on 2013, about 150 million active registered accounts and in many countries you can use it as mean of payment only on a few places. So, it reached about 2% of world population.

Bitcoin had about 23 billion USDs in trade volume alone during the last 12 months (see http://www.bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=6m, at current price) and maybe 1 or 2 million active users. It still has a long way to go.

i'm not sure bitcoin wll get some good achievment this year,bitcoin goes mainstream several years ago,and more popular until this year,even bitcoin price still unpredict and really fluctuate,but bitcoin not lost it hollder and adopter,bitcoin still have so many "fans" .
lets hope on future bitcoin will compete paypal more and more,and take over 2% population who hold by paypal.
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