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3041  Economy / Reputation / Re: Royse777, Bitlucy and long story in brief on: July 08, 2022, 11:18:50 AM
Dear bitcointalk friends, colleague, competitors (sorry if this sounds bad but it is an unfold truth!)
I really find it stressful when a few are thinking what things I have to hide, why not I bring everything in public?
Yes that has been raised several times by members but I doubt the intended effect was to cause you stress.

Yes, I have many reasons to conduct private. If this is not possible then limit it to a circle at least. It is very important for me not to publicize the blockchain transactions which will easily lead to the online services I use or the wallets I use frequently which even could take back to the main storage I have. Isn't all risky for me?
Probably yes, it could be risky for you to publicise various addresses you use if the intended aim is to maintain privacy. You stating it is important for you to not publicise the blockchain transactions for reasons you stated, though understandable from a certain perspective related to your privacy, it does not satisfy or bring closure to all interested parties.

I didn't want other bitcointalk users to be in trouble who were as helpless as me in this situation. The faces a few of you already showed me, makes me think that sharing them even in private with some of you would be riskier for me, forget about being them in public. If I really need to black out or censor some sections then what is the point to share it at all.
But it appears you did share information related to Bitlucy and your relationship with it, within a closed circle but did not share widely in public threads. Whether your PMs included blockchain transactional details is not known to those excluded from the PM circle but what brings confusion is you wanting to not publicise blockchain transactions yet you stating if you really needed to censor sections there would be no point to share in the first place. Strange contradiction.

Dear Yahoo and JollyGood, maybe privacy does not mean much to you but it matters for me. Looking at how you conduct your business, the theory and strategy you are applying to justify the case, it's not very good for someone to share private info to you, at-least not me.

I think the accusations you made against myself (and yahoo62278) are absurd because privacy by default does mean a lot to everybody.

As for the PMs, it is not a problem for me because I was not looking forward to receiving anything otherwise I would have analysed it and interpreted it in a manner you probably would not have appreciated and it would have been counter-productive to your reasons for sending it in the first place, therefore I understand your reasons for not including me in your PM circle since I am not known for having too much sympathy for those that should know better and of course I have been on occasion called 'harsh' too.

I still fail to understand your real motives for wanting to send PMs to any circle you selected. If you included non-retracted blockchain transactions then you defeated the object of your earlier stated goals of keeping that private. If you included retracted information then you also defeated the object when you stating there would be no point in sending it. Furthermore, if your PMs contained anything else, once again your motives for sending them to a selected circle make no sense unless you state your intentions for sending them.

It's dirty when you pretend to be a friend to benefit your business.
Who is this directed at? Well, yahoo62278 is a signature campaign manager, not me therefore one has to assume it is towards him. Again, the notion that yahoo62278 or any other campaign manager would use the opportunity of your business failures and your misguided conduct in order to benefit their own business is unacceptable.

It seems you are alluding with you out of the way other campaign managers will get more business yet fail to understand the questions and concerns of not only a fellow member but also a fellow campaign manager.

Sorry, I wanted to digest all blames on me but some of you were taking the opportunity to overdo it.
And rightfully so, you should accept the blame for your part in the Bitlucy debacle because who else is to blame apart fro yourself and Bitlucy?

I did not see a single post in this thread where any member has taken the opportunity to add more blame on you than you deserve, on the contrary I see more compassion than I think it deserves but each to their own.
3042  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM EXCHANGE: Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED) on: July 08, 2022, 09:53:53 AM


Well, here is your image displaying properly, now we all can see it.

Can you shed any light on where you decided to use a 10% figure confiscating user funds? I mean, why not raise your percentage to 50%, 100% or even drop it to 5% or zero?

Quote
Based on what/whose analysis? The coins came directly from ChipMixer, meaning it is impossible for you to say they are 100% anything (unless you are the first person ever to be able to break ChipMixer). You have absolutely no idea where those coins came from, and claiming they are "stolen 100%" is nonsense.

Check this

http://joxi.ru/l2ZozEVClok8NA
3043  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM EXCHANGE: Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED) on: July 07, 2022, 10:34:55 PM
Here are a few questions:

  • Were the funds frozen because they were part of a mixer's transaction?
  • If yes, don't you find it offensive to confiscate customer's money because they chose to protect their privacy?
  • Are you willing to tell us the criteria you identify "dirty" funds?
  • If not, don't you find it fraudulent from the customer's side to, not only disapprove but also confiscate their money, just because it doesn't meet your potentially arbitrary criteria?
  • Had you ever thought of asking the user's inputs, so you can judge if you can accept them according to your criteria?
You can find all the answers in section 7 of the User Agreement and our first post. Let's not duplicate information.
We write the rules in the User Agreement not for discussion. If you are not satisfied with the rules of using our service, you have the full right to use other exchangers.
What happens if you contradict your own clauses by posting one thing here while stipulating another on your website? For that reason you should duplicate the information as it would allow others to see if it matches.

I think since we gave enough justifications and made a return of 10%, this conflict can be considered solved.

First of all, I have not seen any acceptance by the victim that Open Change have returned the 10% they stole from him because he has not been here since 4th July but let us go with that assumption. I know some forum members will follow your lead and deem this matter closed but from my vantage point I think otherwise and several members of this forum will probably think the same.

Would you be able to explain why you decided to return the stolen 10% to the victim?

Was it because of the negative publicity the whole drama brought and you were worried about long lasting damage to your Open Changebrand or was it something else?

Were you really going to return those funds to the victim if this issue was not escalated here in the forum?
3044  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) on: July 07, 2022, 11:07:16 AM
I completely understand what you said, Usyk was not going for the knockout but the way I see it Joshua will have to box hard and clever and he will get tired. That is when Usyk will have the opportunity to go for a knockout.

I know he left Joshua badly bruised in the fist fight therefore he probably does have the power to push for a knockout but which version of Joshua will be see in the ring in the rematch. The confused fighter that got destroyed by Ruiz or the patient jabbing fighter that won the Ruiz rematch? Let us not forget Joshua was comprehensively outboxed by Usyk in their fight too.




I will not placing a bet on the fight but do have a strong belief and confidence in that Usyk will out box Joshua again and he will win by knockout. Joshua has tools at his disposal to win the fight but he was unable to trouble Usyk in the first meeting and I see no reason why he will be able unleash them in the rematch. Usyk should win the fight comfortably.
Not sure Usyk has the power to put Joshua away or the pressure. In the first fight he did hurt Joshua quite a few times, but he never presses on it. He goes back to sitting behind his jab. So, in my opinion to knock Joshua out he'll need to be really loading up his shots, and he doesn't really do that. He isn't putting Joshua out in one punch, at least I wouldn't have thought so, and nothing up until this point has suggested he can.

I might bet on it, along with a few UFC fights. Usyk be decision again looks the most likely, and should get decents odds. Should be above evens I imagine.

3045  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: An alternative to gambling with money. on: July 07, 2022, 10:57:20 AM
That is a good analogy. The fact trading remains in demo mode means there can be no profits or losses and the same concept applies to the types of apps being discussed in the thread which could be used as alternatives to gambling. I fail to see any evidence that it will stop a gambler with an addiction or craving from going to a real gambling site to place real money bets.

The question arises if these types of apps help addicts wean off gambling altogether or if they increase the desire to start betting with real money.

This is just like using a demo account to trading on a trading platform. You won't feel it because it has no risk. It is just like using an audio money to gamble. This is not even make the gambler to take the betting serious because there is no risk involve. Since the gambler will not be making any money from betting then it is not going to make complete sense to me. What gives us joy to gamble more is the amount we are going to earn by using our fund to gamble. The profits is what makes me gamble more.
3046  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Qualifying Games For Qatar on: July 07, 2022, 10:44:20 AM
The current Belgium team reminds me of the golden generation England team - both failed to live up to expectations.

That England team had fantastic players consisting of Ashley Cole, Terry, Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Lampard, Gerarrd, Scholes, Owen and a little later Rooney.... on top of all that they had captain Beckham too but as a team the furthest they progressed in a tournament was the quarter-finals. The managers had to be blamed for not bringing the best out of them since the midfield could not accommodate Gerrard and Lampard successfully and Scholes was not happy too. Beckham fitted in seamlessly on the right wing but Scholes ended up retiring from international football because he was being played out of position.

Belgium have so much talent at their disposal too but they were knocked out by by eventual winners Italy in the quarter-finals in the delayed Euro 2020 tournament. I think the Qatar 2022 tournament will be their last attempt at making an impact with their present golden generation of players because they might not be able to leave a mark in next European Cup or World Cup with an ageing squad.

Brazil seems to be the favorite team, at the same time Belgium is not a weak team. However, the Brazilian team has a lot of young star players. Brazil has talented strikers like Neymar, Raphinha, Jesus and Vinicius. On the other hand, Argentina's forwards seem to be a bit weak without Di Maria and Aguero. However, they will not depend only on Messi. Lautaro Martinez is a good enough player. Argentina's chances of becoming champions are not low.
3047  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange on: July 07, 2022, 10:29:14 AM
Once again I want to keep the distinction between "Best Change the signature campaign that pays out on time to their participants" and "Best Change the online listing website that makes money from affiliate links". The latter is what is being discussed here and I have to say I am happy to read Best Change post detailed replies trying to engage with concerned members regardless of whether there is disagreement therefore credit to you.

Having said that I reject several of the statements made by Best Change which appear to biased as they try  to justify siding with an exchange over the user they referred via an affiliate link. Also I and am deeply concerned by some of the business practices implemented by Best Change which I have mentioned in the recent past. Other members have stated their own concerns.

I asked this question earlier but it remained unanswered as a direct reply therefore can Best Change provide a clear answer. Regarding the 10% that was stolen by Open Change from the OP (which amounted to around $500), did or will Best Change receive any affiliate payment for it?

Information that we do no bear financial responsibility is clearly stated in several places on the website. And it is so, even if you want the opposite.
Speaking of the 10% loss of funds to the client that you introduced to Open Change, can you state the commission you received from Open Change from the 10% they stole?
3048  Other / Meta / Re: PSA: Do NOT use the insecurity misfeature of a “secret question”. And #getagrip. on: July 07, 2022, 09:55:44 AM
I also received this PM. Probably, according to the one who poisoned these PMs, he sent such letters to all DT, and not necessarily whether they have control questions or not.
I haven't received that PM. So maybe the list he's using to determine DT users is not accurate.
I did not receive the PM. Ah well.....

Before jumping to conclusions and screaming “hack!”, has anyone even considered a potentially innocent explanation?  I have a pessimistic view of human nature, but the paranoia in this thread is off the charts.

This is good advice, in my opinion:

The better people know the account owner, the better they know the answer!

Recommended action to take is to remove security question at all.
I maybe have less pessimistic view than yours when it comes to human nature in general but I am highly sceptical when to comes to the conduct of many users in this forum therefore I can understand your views and even relate to them.

On this subject of the PMs though, if English is not the first language of the sender (newalias) I think it only compounds the confusion. His post history shows he has been active in the German language boards as well but his trust currently shows the following message which might mean he is no longer in control of his account: This user's email address was changed recently
3049  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reasons why people avoid KYC in gambling casino ? on: July 07, 2022, 09:37:32 AM
KYC information is traded on the black market between criminals every day. After that information has been misused once it will be sold again and again between various criminal groups that will use it for nefarious purposes. Once it is sold on the black market, the rightful owner will never have cntrol over it again.

Sending KYC to organisations of little standing should be avoided as should sending it to those that try to invoke various clauses in their dubious Terms and Conditions (ToS) in order to withhold funds.

It's really hard to get back your personal information once it's gone to the hands of hackers or some people who will use it for some sort of scams. Since KYC is really critical and one bad move it could go wrong and will gonna ruin your life in a blink of an eye, people will avoid passing it and they will just prefer to play on some online casino that doesn't require it because it's really risky to do so. More or less, they are scared that when the Casino is closed, their personal information will be sold on the deep web to be used for some evil actions.
3050  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2022/2023 on: July 07, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
I have no idea why the performance levels from Fernandes dropped so much last season but it appeared to be related to the whole demise of the team. After Manchester United sacked Solskjaer they did not really improve under Rangnick and I question the judgement of the board to hire him as a catastrophic failure by them.

Fernandes carried them to a champions league place in his first season, he was unbelievable for them but something went wrong for him recently and he has only shown glimpses of what he is capable of doing. I am not sure how much time Eriksen and Fernandes will share on the pitch but they share some similarities, it will be interesting to see how the manager utilises them.

@JollyGood I feel that it’ll be Fernandes who’ll be warming the bench after his awful performances last season, and I was really tired to see him complaining on the pitch, hence I hope that Eriksen plays ahead of him.
3051  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Qualifying Games For Qatar on: July 07, 2022, 09:19:41 AM
The game seems to be getting more and more technical on a technological basis as the years go by. After goal line technology came in, that was a welcomed move because of many goals being incorrectly awarded or incorrectly disallowed by referees and linesmen/women making mistakes.

After that VAR came along and after many bumps in the road it still is not a perfect piece of advancement yet as there have been many dubious decisions that were taken and still do even though several years have passed. I hope the latest technology to enter the game at a crucial tournament (such as a world cup) does not become a hindrance which damages the enjoyment factor fans expect.

Talking further about the Qatar 2022 World Cup, of course the technology used for world football events must be really the latest and sophisticated and can help make the match better and more sporty.

FIFA has finally announced about semi-automatic Offside technology, This technology is expected to be a support tool for referees and match officials on the field and in the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) control room to help make decisions on offsides quickly and more accurately.
Sensors are mounted on the ball used for the match and will be connected to the semi-automatic Offside technology.

Similar technology was also used at the 2018 Russia world cup and of course this technology continues to be developed and is more sophisticated than before.
Previously also tested the 2022 FIFA Arab Cub tournament and 2021 FIFA Club World Cup
3052  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: ROCKETPOT.IO REFUSING TO PAY OUT 170k+ In winnings on: July 07, 2022, 12:09:04 AM
I am reposting your image in order for it to appear as you intended:



If they are not stating they will not pay you the full $170,000 why are you panicking? Until they explicitly state they will not pay you the $170,000 you should not be getting worried. It seems all they are doing is waiting for confirmation from the game provider that yours was a legitimate win (that you won fairly without any cheating) and they have been making payments according to their ToS regardless... stay positive and let this play out with a little patience.

UPDATE

https://imgur.com/a/ljC8YGl

That’s the thing, rocketpot still hasn’t given a direct answer or confirmation if they’ll honouring the full amount.
When I asked today for the update regarding it, I was told this(see pic). In fairness to rocketpot they have started paying out what’s allowed within in their limits and they have honoured their word on these payouts. Trust me there’s no one that would love to change the thread title more than me, but for now untill I get a answer all
I can do is just post every payment I receive on here(which is still positive news) I also asked if there is any way they can raise their monthly limits they cannot. So after I request a another $10k on Monday the 11th I’m gonna be waiting till August 1st before I can request a further payout. The reality is getting paid out in full is gonna take a long time and this will be an extruding long process

3053  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2022/2023 on: July 06, 2022, 11:59:49 PM
Manchester United have cleared out a lot of the midfield from last season. I think they will easily accommodate Eriksen for large parts of the new season, after all they have no signed him to just sit on the bench they have signed him for his creative qualities. I am in no doubt he would prefer to play in the Champions League but all Manchester United could do was offer him Europa League football even still he wanted to join them probably because he wanted to be part of a rebuild at a giant club that has become mediocre the last 10 years.

Of course, if I became eriksen I would accept the offer. I feel proud to accept an offer from a club as big as Man United. Moreover, they will play in Europe. It was a rare opportunity, even if only to play in the Europa League. But I also doubt if he can change Man United? I think actually Man United have a lot of midfielders, it's just that they don't show their best ability so Man United looks really bad and depends on Bruno Fernandes. He could be a substitute for United
3054  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit – The original crash game on: July 06, 2022, 11:50:29 PM
That announcement thread you linked is one of several historical ones within the context of how crypto usage has evolved. The user espringe has not been active since January 2017 but an interesting feedback from dooglus states he was behind Moneypot (moneypot.com) before it was rebranded as Bustabit (bustabit.com)

As far as I know user espringe invented it.

Here is original announcement thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.0
3055  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) on: July 06, 2022, 02:57:53 PM
I will not placing a bet on the fight but do have a strong belief and confidence in that Usyk will out box Joshua again and he will win by knockout. Joshua has tools at his disposal to win the fight but he was unable to trouble Usyk in the first meeting and I see no reason why he will be able unleash them in the rematch. Usyk should win the fight comfortably.

Well, although Usyk came to the boxing gym at the age of 15, but before that, I think he was already well prepared physically as he was engaged in judo and even played football for the youth team.

Oh, you have big bets on Usyk's victory and even in the 5th round, I would prefer to just enjoy the fight in 12 rounds. Smiley
3056  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Qualifying Games For Qatar on: July 06, 2022, 02:49:03 PM
The idea that Ecuador or Uruguay will go far in the competition let alone win the tournament seems far-fetched to me. I agree, if one of the South American teams were to win the world cup the smart thinking choice would be on either Brazil or Argentina

It is very difficult to say with confidence which 4 teams will be semi-finalists or which 8 teams will be quarter-finalists and regardless of the UEFA teams having home advantage or not the main European nations expected to do well (Germany, France, England, Belgium, Spain, Netherlands etc) really should perform well and should get to the latter stages.

Obviously I am not crazy enough to predict that Ecuador is going to lift the world cup. If one of the CONMEBOL teams lift the world cup, it is going to be either Brazil or Argentina. Uruguay is a good team, but when was the last time they won the world cup? And then Chile and Colombia failed to qualify. CONMEBOL is the federation from which the maximum number of quality teams missed the qualification. UEFA teams doesn't have the home advantage now. And that is going to be a big blow for them. 
3057  Economy / Gambling / Re: 1XBIT.COM ᐉ 7 BTC WB ᐉ Altcoin Betting ᐉ no KYC ᕗ Instant payouts on: July 06, 2022, 02:40:28 PM
If the 1xbit support got involved they would not be able to do anything because it is just a cycle of deception. They use delay tactics and misinformation along with counterclaims in attempt to silence victims and alleged victims. Just getting the 1xbit scammers to acknowledge a scam claim is in itself a monumental task therefore what chance does he have of getting any funds returned?

So, it's almost a month when 1xbit blocked my account without giving any reason, bit with stealing my money, all my winnings and a deposited money too.
I cannot even count how many emails I wrote to security@1x-bit.com - they don't even answer an emails after they told it's blocked. I don't know what to do, how to force these scammers to give me my money back.
I'm not sure if you did surf this thread above at least 50 pages from this to find out what happened to the same situation like yours , maybe you will never get your funds back mate because there is no even 10 percent of those who claims that their funds are  being blocked or Hold  had got their funds or even their deposited amount.
try to check their support to what will be the answer but  be ready to accept the reality that you will also experience what they had .
3058  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2022/2023 on: July 06, 2022, 02:36:05 PM
Safe standing areas were trialled in limited scope in several leagues across Europe last season. Some fans want standing areas back whereas other do not. The stadium safety implementations by football governing bodies in the aftermath of Hillsborough are still prevalent even today but changes are coming where some sections will have safe standing area but not all fans are happy though.

If I were given a choice of watching a football game in a stadium while standing or being seated: I would prefer to sit  Grin

After the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, in which 97 fans were killed after a crush, standing-up watching at football matches was banned in England. I didn't know this happened. Safe standing areas will be created in stadiums in the coming season. These areas already existed in the Bundesliga and there was a good atmosphere in the matches. Standing areas make stadiums hotter. This could be an advantage for the home teams. England stadiums hopefully catch up with the days we miss.
3059  Economy / Gambling / Re: Rocketpot.io refusing to pay out 170k win on: July 06, 2022, 02:28:48 PM
Do not change the thread title until you have received all of the funds you are claiming and Rocketpot have agreed to pay. Making a unilateral move such as that prematurely will nit be conducive to your allegation.

If Rocketpot disputed the $170,000 then the matter changes somewhat but for now they are not declining to pay you the full claimed amount. Give them a little more time and remain patient.

I’m very optimistic that they have now started paying my winnings with no further delays and in fairness to the casino I have posted this, but as I said still as of now I haven’t gotten any direct answer or confirmation if they will be honouring the full 170k in winnings. Until I do I’ll then change the title to be fair to the casino
3060  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] BestChange Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ on: July 06, 2022, 02:19:30 PM
I personally saw it and posted what I thought in one of the threads, but this should not be a case for immediate alarm for most sig campaign participants.
If it is not a case for immediate alarm from most signature campaign participants then which are the minority that it is a case for immediate alarm?

It's not a must that participants should have an opinion on any complaint that comes up.
That is your opinion and I welcome it, however I disagree. That is the beauty of an open forum we can all express our views  Grin

I would say that at the very least, signature campaign participants should study the complaints against those that are paying them even if they do not make public statements to support either side to start with. After a scam or misconduct allegation is closed, signature campaign participants should leave the campaign if a scam has taken place or stay if no scam has taken place and/or a resolution has been found... or leave if they are not satisfied with the outcome.

In my opinion allegations against websites/organisations cannot be overlooked or dismissed by those promoting them simply on the basis that they pay weekly signature campaign fees on time, even with added bonuses such as in the format in which Best Change operate.

I believe some members don't even check on scam accusations board.
Yes that is true, hence my posting about the issue in this thread where all Best Change participants would be perusing in order to check there were updates as well as if they were in line for receiving the weekly bonus.

That is why I suggest Best Change signature campaign read what is actually being discussed about their service:

Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED)
SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

Most of the negative press was initially based on "Guilty until proven innocent" If you were active when this happened. Most members who rushed to send them negative feedback had to remove or change it to neutral.  A couple of scam accusations have come by, but even just as an exchanger monitor, they did try to resolve them amicably.
Well let us for argument sake say that happened in an amicable manner, that was the past. The latest allegation against Open Change via Best Change affiliate links was mentioned. The previous alleged good conduct of Best Change (in resolving scam allegations and other issues associated to them) was not raised here.

As for the thread you linked above, the very same thread has this post (#3) which also should not be dismissed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217470.msg53602682#msg53602682

And my reply to it (#63) making my feelings known: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217470.msg53617135#msg53617135

In the same thread (post #61) the member states that the OP (that you linked above) demonstrated Best Change can add scam exchanges without proper checks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217470.msg53616819#msg53616819

Are BestChange.com scammers? If they are, please let me know.
I think the onus is on forum members who agree to promote a business, project or service to apply due-diligence before deciding to receive remuneration in lieu of promotion. When applying due-diligence, prospective signature campaign participants can come to their own conclusions about whether they are promoting as scam or not and whether they feel they are happy to promote the website paying them.

As for me stating whether Best Change are scammers, I not am going to say they are a scam but some of their practices are borderline. For example, they promoted a scam exchange (Open Change) and the incident was mentioned by the victim. He visited bestchange.com and found Open Exchange via an affiliate link on thier website. The user sent approximately $5000 worth of crypto which they withheld, only to release 90% but kept 10% for themselves under the guise of their highly dubious Terms and Conditions. They effectively are saying their ToS allow them to confiscate 10% of funds if they they deem the transaction to be suspicious.

And they did it here:

Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED)
SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

Best Change have not yet answered a simple question: Are they going to receive an affiliate payment from Open Change for 10% that they stole from the victim? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404706.msg60513258#msg60513258

Keeping this in perspective and looking at the current situation, I would not be promoting Best Change and would disassociate myself from them if I were on their payroll and that is only because my threshold is very short therefore for me it does not need to be an out-and-out scam for me distance myself from promoting it. Having said that, other members have their own threshold and their own criteria for carrying out their own due-diligence and come to their own conclusion.

Will any signature campaign participants post views defending the manner in which Best Change is operating?
I believe this is a choice, not a must.
You believe absolutely correct, it is a personal choice.

From what I can see, for now at least it is only Best Change that can force those participating it their signature campaign to make a public statement about how it conducts business on the bestchange.com website and they will probably refrain from doing so as it could backfire spectacularly on them.

For obvious reasons, signature campaign participants questioning Best Change publicly about the way it conducts business will probably be removed whereas those that do not have any issue with Best Change business practices (or those that do not publicly question it) will be allowed to continue promoting it for their weekly remuneration.

I will be waiting to read their next post in the threads I linked, especially looking for the answer to the question about whether they will receive an affiliate payment from Open Change as a result from the 10% they stole from the victim.
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