The fact that everyone with a jupiter ordered is going to get much more, how can anyone complain??
Well, they did promise to ship in September, and that didn't happen. Let's see how long it takes them to actually ship the orders. |
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Let's cool down.. I came here to ruin the fun. Bitfury chips are 55nm and do <0.7 W/Gh. KNCMiner chips are reportedly >1.4W/Gh.
I'm just wondering as I really have no idea, how much would an equivalent miner (in terms of GH/s) from Bitfury cost? Well, if you purchased today: Bitfury, 400 GH/s, $8000, delivered in Oct. KnC, 500 GH/s, $4995, delivered in Nov. It'll be a few months before the energy costs become significant, so they're pretty close in value. |
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Could you remind me where I can find out the projected time of the next difficulty adjustment?
With current growth rates, it's about every 11 days. Next adjustment in about 5 days to 180M. Also, can you provide some numbers or point me to a source to support your claim?
Thanks for your input.
Here's an optimistic estimate: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/49a674a026If it doesn't break even in the next 3-6 months, it never will. |
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Looking good! Oct difficulty is going to go crazy. |
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In any case, all mrb is doing is running the auction and providing information on the hardware.
No, he's also trying to justify the ROI on them. That's where he's going too far. |
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astutiumRob: diff will be 149M at least for domestic customers (which we expect to be the majority of our customer base.) Next diff is estimated to be only 180M per allchains.info, very far from the 298M people were quoting. Also the average worldwide electricity price is $0.10/kWh. It makes sense to pick this one as the default. And again we expect our auction to naturally attract those with lower than average rates.
Don't even try to defend the ROI. It's just not there. These will not break even at the current bid prices unless you have nearly free power. http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/cf8f2331e7 |
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Gotcha..., you don't think it will be ~200MM in a week? and like >250MM when you get the full kit?
KNC miners are supposed to be hitting the street soon as well as BF EU kits.
That's going to depend on when Dave actually ships. EU customers are already receiving their kits and mining at 150MM. Huge win for them. |
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Don't forget to set the Initial Mining Date.
You had it set to September 1st. Try November 1st.
Ignore the date. Just pay attention to the starting difficulty. |
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Remember that Dave is just a resseler. Tytus is a producer of the boards and founder of 100TH mine. MBP is a host of 200TH mine and is obligated to deliver this hash power as fast as possible. That means no stock for resseling. Punin only resseling thats why he has stock and already sends October orders.
The next two weeks are crucial for ROI. US ROI estimate: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/15281afd05. Not looking good. EU customers are going to get decent ROI due to early delivery. http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/333c1299c7 |
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Let's see what happens.  But you're right, this is a poor effort, it's only a landmark engineering feat, the worlds fastest concept to 28nm silicon. Ever. 28nm silicon that uses double the energy of a 55nm silicon. I'm not sure you should be bragging about that. |
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This reminds me of when Avalon was supposed to deliver, then didn't for two more months. I have 3 devices on pre-order so I'm just as anxious as the rest of you, but I don't think a single ASIC company has delivered when they said they would, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Bitfury was delayed a few days, but they announced the delay well in advance of the scheduled ship date. Communication like that makes all the difference. |
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I am sorry, but I am not running a charity.
Yet you demand your customers donate to you by not giving 100% refunds. |
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The question of this thread is whether it makes sense to accept delivery of a 60 GH/s BFL miner, purchased before the price increase (and hashrate reduction), with likely delivery within the next month.
If you can take delivery before the next difficulty adjustment, you have a good chance of ROI. Delivery in a month? No chance of profit. |
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No Monarchs were promised for a December delivery. Seriously, where are you guys getting this from?
Seriously? http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/November / December Initial Shipping (Sold out)
Monarchs were promised for November and December. November has already slipped. |
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per talking to who ever it was I spoke to trying to get a refund so I can pay more to this fucking tax I owe, they said it would be 1-2 weeks that I would have it, and I could not reject it either beucause it was a business purchase and does not fall under the 14 day law/rule
Perhaps you can remind them of this: Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.
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IF bfl does deliver the first tape out on time, then its a good deal
You mean the "Tape out August 2013" that was due a month ago but doesn't appear to have happened? |
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