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If I report a post for breaking the 'rules', where and how do I receive notification whether it has been accepted or rejected?
Also, in my user stats under 'Most Popular Boards By Activity', top of my list is the Turkish board which I've never knowingly visited.
Why is that?
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, also, I have tried to search for answers unsuccessfully.
Thanks.
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100x looks like a con.
Oh come on guys, 10,000% in 24 hours and you even for one millisecond thought of taking it seriously or putting some money in?  ? facepalm/ |
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Nice ... 2 days ago i've payout my all btc , lucky i gues. Finaly i got only 0.1 th/s since december there and this one returned to me after month... And i was thinking to buy more power there...... But stragne, ping's works on adres www.cryptomine.io so sewer still works. Another attack ? but no info from them. And this action on new year, they gave power's lucky people in lottery, and after 2 weeks closed ? ..... Looks like they are busy moving BTC around today =\ PPL LIKE THIS NEED TO BE HUNG!! https://blockchain.info/address/1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLLdo a google search on that address, several people got scammed from other "companies", and coins moved to there. its ether a gambling site, or a exchange site. Apparently it's the BTC-e output wallet. |
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+1
It was good to read a couple of thoughtful posts on this subject, without red 48 point font or "I get payed out my .00000001 is be good sceme live long time" contributions.
Just a couple of points:
"Ponzi games" cannot be considered legit (overused word) imo until there is some way of proving that the early (profitable) deposits in a round do not come from the operator of the scheme. I can't see how this can happen, so they cannot be compared to conventional gambling with 'provably fair' and house edge systems.
The comparison with governments providing social benefits by kicking the deficit can down the road in the form of future unfunded liabilities is not valid.
I am no lover of the world's current financial system which is why I am interested in possible alternatives like bitcoin, but there is a huge difference between political decisions taken with few socially acceptable alternatives and deliberately engineered fraud designed to benefit the perpetrator only.
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Looks legit to me, thats the Eiffel Tower and the French have never been able to spell 'hundred' properly.  |
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I'm not going to use red font or call you names, but the problem with pretending that these "games" are fair is that they are not.
No one can tell how much money in the queue belongs to you, the operator.
Also, it isn't a "tiny risk" that payments will stop coming in, it's a fact.
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My account won't be banned, as the ponzi is legit.
How is it legit? How do any of your 'investors' know that the early money each round is not your own? |
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There are problems with definition here.
A Ponzi scheme is a fraud where the operator lies about the source of the funds he uses to pay his investors their promised return. Instead of trading he simply pays old investors with new investors money.
A "ponzi game" of rounds based on this principle, where everyone is aware that at the end of a round some people will be paid and some won't, is something totally different, BUT
It still has potential to be a fraud because there is no transparency about the owner of the early money, which could well belong to the operator.
Until there is some sort of equivalent to dice's "provably fair" for these games then they should be treated as scams just like "conventional" Ponzis.
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I just closed my short, does that count?
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this is your chance for recovery
buy BTC low and refund to customers.
he can't He can. A small bet says he won't. |
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People aren't really this stupid are they? As popular as they are here, I seriously need to start a ponzi.
You'd be seriously rich from the commisions, say 1000 BTC get's invested. Say there is a 5% fee than you'd have 50 BTC from a few days/weeks of work. Still illegal though. It's that last part that really stops me from doing it. I'm not the least bit interested in having the diameter of my asshole quadruple in size. Even IF it was totally legal I would not do it, only thinking of the fact that you are getting "free" money from people and effectively stealing it too. I can't do such thing, may be the environment where I grew up in, I learned not to betray people or scam them. I'd probably be mentally destroyed after I scammed someone, but that doesn't seem to be the case for a lot of these people. I used to think that way. Read this thread though. These people deserve to be broke. They gave their money away knowing they would never see it again. Page one of this thread shows everyone was warned of the outcome. I wouldn't pull a Pirate@40 because I'm not real fond of the idea of being ass rammed in prison not because stupid people shouldn't be separated from their money. And I used to think your way. I don't have a lot of sympathy with the naked greed shown in this thread (or out in the real world). These days get my jollies from doing constructive stuff with my time, usually finding that with the right idea and the right approach then the money will come too. There's lots of ways to scam a living, defined in my book as doing stuff which solely benefits you at the expense of others and probably breaks a law or two. Sure it's money, wow, buy a Ferrari or some blow, but it's empty. Probably sounds like hippy shit I know, especially in a 'libertarian' world, but just because someone is weak, naive or a 'tard', doesn't mean you have to exploit that. There's a lot of intelligent people in here and out there scamming and stealing, how much better a place we would be living in if that energy was channeled into positive stuff. Dream on. |
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There are two types of cloud miners looking for business, those that mine and those that say they mine. Puppet has an informative thread which attempts to analyse which category any scheme is likely to fit into. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.0From a quick look, I'd say that http://minethatcloud.com/ doesn't do too well on his scoring system. With the current BTC price/difficulty circumstances, I'd say that if X BTC/Ghs price is a level at which a genuine miner would be able to sell mining contracts and stay viable, then any offers below that level should be looked at with suspicion. The difficulty is establishing what X is, especially given that the only significant variable is cost of electricity and maintenance. |
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How about some of you Default trusters doing something for a change and get over here and turn this sucker bright red?
This is the sort of shit, thieving scheme that the brains of this place want to create a sub forum for.
Unfuckingbelievable.
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I got that screen, then 502 Bad Gateway, but downforeveryoneorjustme said it was up. |
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Lets sign a form all of us who send BTC for nothing Collect all the evidence and go to interpol .. Who is ok with that ?? There are a lot of evidence and actually the blockchain is traceable .. Cryptomine Serv Ltd. Name: 20-22 Wenlock Road Username London, N1 7GU United Kingdom Reg. no. 9267160 the company that hosted their site is www.bahnhof.netThat is a £1 off the shelf company. Despite the reputation the Brits have for probity etc. the fact is that Companies House (the government organisation that registers companies in the UK) does not check information given it by people setting up new companies. The City of London Police have a dedicated cyber crime unit which will receive and look at any reports filed here http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/report_fraudYou can't actually go direct to Interpol, they act when notified by national police. Good Luck. |
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What does bear thinking about is if you create a "Ponzi" section then you run the risk of passively implying that if it's not in there then it's not a ponzi.
Yeah, that's part of why I want to create a section with very clearly defined and objective criteria. Sure, but what do you do when Mr. X turns up with a "cloud mining" scheme offering crazy ROI, offering no proof of anything and wants it in Service Discussion? Are you proposing some sort of vetting process or self verification for these people or will the proposed section just be for those who openly admit it's just a gambling game? |
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My bitcoin go from my wallet (1BpymyoiQh6DJLFeE9GDThi4iMubUGqL9T) to 1hpcrqu3z58C5YoApuLQ3c3LqfsVkcPNw, then go to 12VEVLEaWW97igeKzVUxoBS28HvbUoMp74. All money for this wallet go to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL (now over 400 BTC). What is going on?
1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL is the BTC-e output wallet, I am told. Many scams end up sending to it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg10119494#msg10119494 |
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I hope it's not wrong to quote myself and cross post it, but there is a similar thread to this going. As a non gambler, the state of its thread doesn't bother me, and I'm sure some of the more traditional gambling sites are pissed at money going into ponzi games and not on their dice. What does bear thinking about is if you create a "Ponzi" section then you run the risk of passively implying that if it's not in there then it's not a ponzi. Yeah, but there's two different things going on under the 'Ponzi' label atm.
There's the ones which are clearly stating they are a game based on the ponzi concept, i.e. the punter will be paid from new money coming in, there is no underlying business, and when new "investment" stops, that's it for you, winning or losing and the site owner makes a % fee.
That's a form of gambling, but with unknown, time related risk, and these schemes already (should) go in the Gambling section.
Then there's the ones which will swear black is white that they are cloud mining, arbitraging or whatever and they have discovered a way of doing it that enables them to return impossible ROI. These people will obviously not voluntarily put their schemes in a "Ponzi" category or the Gambling Section, because they deny that they are operating one.
It would be unrealistic to want or expect BCT to somehow vet, for example, a new cloud mining service and force it to go into a new Ponzi category or the Gambling section unless it met certain critireria.
In both cases people can lose their money, but only in the latter type are they being scammed, so really the separate Category would be a bit irrelevant.
TL:DR There's a world of difference between doublemyponzigame.lol and bitcointrader.biz. |
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Is the low price because of all of the Ponzi mining companies finally coming to their natural end?
I doubt you're being serious, but I'd think that people who have bought speculatively would be getting more and more desperate to show any profit as the price continues down, thus more vulnerable to investing in scams supposedly offering a way out of the mess they're in. |
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