hoarding would cause the price to go up..
Let's imagine I just bought every BTC out there... That's pretty hard to imagine, because.... well, it'll never happen. I own a bunch of coins and there's no way you could buy them all, not for all the money on this planet. If the price is so high (due to you trying to buy them all) that you have to pay me millions of $ for half of my coins, why would I sell the other half? Feel free to try.  |
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Schon klar, aber sobald die Mega Rendite wegfällt werden die ganzen Spekulanten aussteigen. Sprich, alle die hypmäßig in den letzten Monaten eingestiegen sind cashen aus und entziehen dem Bitcoinmarkt Geld. Sprich der Kurs geht runter.
Spekulanten != Miner Selbst wenn Mining für mich nichtmehr profitabel ist, gibts für mich keinen Grund "auszucashen". Außerdem wird zum einen durch Verkäufe dem Markt nicht unbedingt Geld entzogen, denn wenn verkauft wird, muss auf der anderen Seite ja auch gekauft werden, zum anderen steigen ja auch immer mehr Spekulanten ein, die überhaupt jetzt erst von Bitcoin erfahren. Es ist und bleibt ein rätselraten, man kann sich zwar einigermaßen ausmalen, was mit der Difficulty passiert, wie sich der Preis entwickelt weiß man aber nicht (wär hätte denn im Januar gedacht, das wir heute über $100 sind?). |
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Meine größte Befürchtung ist, dass die ganzen Grafikkarten und FPGA miner aussteigen und dann der Bitcoin mächtig nach unten geht.
Wieso sollte der Preis sinken, wenn (GPU-)Miner aussteigen? Es sind Angebot und Nachfrage, nach denen sich der Preis richtet, daran ändert sich durch mehr, oder weniger Miner, oder die von ihnen verwendete Hardware garnichts. Und bis FPGAs unrentabel werden, ists noch ein weiter Weg. Beim momentanen Preis kommen FPGAs erst bei einer Difficulty von ~168Millionen (etwa dem 25fachen vom IST-Zustand) in den break-even-Bereich. Da mache ich mir keine großen Sorgen. |
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Die Menge der erzeugten Coins hängt direkt mit der Difficulty zusammen, das ist soweit richtig, die Frage ist, wie Du "Gewinn" definierst. Kalkulierst Du hier in Euro, oder Bitcoins? Die Difficulty ist in den letzten 3 Monaten zwar um das doppelte gestiegen, der Preis stiegt aber um mehr als das dreifache, Mining ist jetzt also rentabler, als vor 3 Monaten, obwohl man weniger Coins erzeugt. kann man davon ausgehen, dass der Bitcoin-Kurs linear mit ansteigen wird?
Das ist reine Spekulation, davon ausgehen würde ich nicht, aber hoffen darf man.  |
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For example, Litecoin is currently "ASIC-proof" ..
What's so good about being "ASIC-proof"? It just makes it a safe haven for bot-net operators, doesn't it? Not that I would care, just wondering. |
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April 1, 2013 Stopped reading there. |
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Just a warning for those that are interested:
in-world trading SLL for BTC is even more risky than trading PayPal for BTC,
there's thousands of scammers on SL and if you accept their SLL and give them your BTC, you'll end up with nothing,
even if you know the person sending you SLL, he might own "fraudulent" SLL without knowing it himself.
Don't trust any SLL you receive inworld, from anyone!
There's no way for you to be sure not to receive "fraudulent lindens".
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Bitcoin-24.com is operated by germans, but actually uses a polish bank account (the same as MtGox), shouldn't be a problem to wire from a US bank account.
Bitcoin.de seems to also support LibertyReserve.
Thanks for the suggestions but I refuse to send in my photo ID due to security issues. Im not anywhere near being a criminal but rather value freedom and privacy above all else. Also there seems to be a daily limit much like coinbase. I hate coinbase!! Tried purchasing btc over 20X's spread over 5 days and i cant buy any from coinbase since they keep reaching their max daily limit. What a bunch of non sense. Not sure what you're talking about, at least on Bitcoin-24.com you don't need to send your photo ID or anything and I'm not aware of small daily limts. Not sure about Bitcoin.de though, I'm not using that one myself. |
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Bitcoin-24.com is operated by germans, but actually uses a polish bank account (the same as MtGox), shouldn't be a problem to wire from a US bank account.
Bitcoin.de seems to also support LibertyReserve.
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Since I don’t have complete knowledge of the Bitcoin platform some of them [attack scenarios] might not be feasible in practice. None of them are. /thread |
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I'm not sure, but maybe it's because the foundation (whoever that is) gets an 80%-cut of all block-rewards,
or maybe it's because of the 4.89% annual demurrage.
I don't get it, why would I mine a block, if someone else get's 80% of the reward for doing nothing?
Why would I want a Coin, that loses value everyday? If I want that, I can just stick to fiat.
Not that I'm flaming, or hating or anything, I just don't get it.
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Why would I use an anonymous escrow service?
Or does anyone know who operates that website? I couldn't find any info and never heard about it before.
For an escrow service, I would chose someone that I trust, not some anonymous entity.
Not to mention that your $100-offer is 5% below the market.
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No, you don't need a wallet, or any blockchain.data on a PC just mining,
it'll get all data it needs from the pool it is connected to.
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Real people don't want their money to double in value in a month Real people want their money to lose value, because.....it's so much better. |
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Satoshi Nakamura?  |
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Biete auch einen Miner zum Verkauf an:  Und der hat sogar ne Fernbedienung.  |
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You're complaining about deposit fees, while I talk about trading fees.
Maybe you should change your payment method, International Wire Transfers come for free.
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0.65% on MtGox is like nothing, compared to ~3% on VirWox (which you have to pay twice, if you want $ for your BTC).
who only pays .65 at MtGox?, I see a special price of 3.45% (normally 3.95%) if you wait 3 weeks for verification - paying 8% in the meantime. Well, you're actually right, it's not 0.65%, it's only 0.6% (or less if your trading volume is high). Not sure where you get those 3.45%/3.95%/8% numbers from. |
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Apropos Klugscheißer,
warum willst Du den eigentlich verkaufen?
Immerhin ist der ja effizienter als ein Avalon, ist also der beste ASIC-Miner, den man zur Zeit kriegen kann, ich würde den nich hergeben.
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