Thanks for the share, I'll check out, but actually don't have an account there. And you actually do have to share the bracket to qualify for FJ's version


Sure, I don't mind Nothing too special here. Really wanted to put in either Japan through too but Germany and Spain should still be good enough...


That's perfectly fine for me, I expect there will be plenty of people, unless we have major upsets, then just the lucky few. Enjoy the tourney too, ampera/Tornike!

Haha, yeah, I wasnt serious about MK Dons but you know me, if Prem teams come up against minnows and odds are nice, I am in. Probably wiser to go for qualification rather than 1x2 after seeing what Derby tried to do with Liverpool!

FA cup def a nice trophy to ty kickstart a campaign for teams not vying for league title... And yeah Europe qualification a nice bonus.

As long as it isnt a big six in the final, always hope. Of course I prefer Liverpool at the end to meet another big team. FA cup finals are still pretty special.

Good point on entropy from Welsh, and I would add that adding an extra word or two, particularly in non-english languages with recognised romanised spelling, to yr phrase can help with that, can help with a song, and anyway deters cracking using recognised dictionaries.

I don't know well enough if that's bad practice but no one has ever pointed out to me it is, I do know that it has been pointed out it doesn't actually improve the security of an already properly randomised seed selection.

Don't be name calling now, it's a game that turns against you

But on an actually serious note, you know without sellers, there aren't buyers? Gotta learn to appreciate the chickens, or sellers, if you will. How else do we rely on regular purges to shake out the market and reveal the shiny solid foundations that we can build on?

Probably a matter of unfortunate timing for the cycle to come down just as the global economy's also buckling, but enjoy the drama, as you put it. When BTC is stable above 100k you might see yourself looking back with envy.

Nice that we see and attribute a 'pump' to words of the biggest guy in the exchange business, like Lucius says, stirring to see the effect it still has.

Don't forget that SBF was the saviour in the Terra debacle too.

Let's just get over this. Brace, but wait for the system to clear out. Not if but when, and all that.

Should have happy memories of this tournament but the final two games of last season, coupled with our poor start, sort of sours the whole thing for me. The cost of going all the way proved to be too much, as I still think it's lethargy and tiredness that's our problem. A spent force, quite literally.

That said, can't wait to see odds for Prem teams vs whoever makes it to Round 3. Derby in EFL looked poorer that I expected, but wouldn't it be nice for MK Dons to go through and meet United again, for example?

Made my first round picks today, as well as the FIFA bracket: https://play.fifa.com/share/bracket-predictor/predictions/eyJ1c2VySWQiOjE5OTM5MywidHlwZSI6InByZWRpY3Rpb25zIiwic2MiOiJ0dyIsInQiOiIwMjY0IiwibG9jYWxlIjoiZW4ifQ==

I know I should probably comb through this thread, but out of curiosity, how many of you here have your country represented in Qatar in this World Cup? Really want to know the Cameroonians, Ghanaians, Moroccans, Tunisians, Senegalese here =)

I'm team Senegal, by the way, and no, it's not simply because of Mane. Also rooted for them in SKorea/Japan World Cup. Have to say they don't play as attractive football these days (I watched Afcon) compared to then, but World Cup is a different affair yeah?

Didn't Binance boss already tweet saying he's prepping a relief package for exchanges? I know Gemini's not one of the big boys these days but they've always been one of the old boys in crypto. At this point, am kind of glad even these big names falling now are already expected news, but I can't say I even dare to suggest what might happen if one of the names supposedly providing Proof of Reserves also signals it's ready to kick the bucket.

But the bright news for crypto holders... the massive crypto bank runs that have happened have more or less happened and been honoured, right? I mean we all here are sitting on solely-controlled coins, right?

Anyone else shared their brackets yet? I'm doing 2 brackets this year, just did my FIFA one and does let you put in all of the KO stages a,lready so I'm assuming it was the same for FJ's bracket, but as I couldn't do anything after entering group stages, and had to share it already (no other option for me), guess we only participate if we pick the correct group winners?

Twitter does have a good use after all

Yeah, I think what happened here is you clicked on an option directly from the display page. So it looks like this:

So the way Sportsbet displays each match in a list like this, you see the 3 most common betting markets, denoted by the title in each column, as shown above.

1. 1x2 is the simplest market (it just means betting on 1 of 3 possible outcomes, "1" is team 1 win, "2" is draw, "3" is team 2 win) and you might want to start betting there before testing out other markets so you get the hang of it.
2. HCP means Asian Handicap. This means your selection's goals minus opponent's goals, with the handicap added. If the final result is positive, you win, if negative you lose, if Zero, your bet pushes and you get your money back. This is probably where you placed your selection.
3. TOT means Asian Total. This means total number of goals in the match.

To see more markets, you click the last item in the row, in the image above "+71" means there are 71 other markets to bet on in that game.

This is what you see when you click on it (scroll down to see the rest of the page).


Don't forget to check out the Promotions page to see World Cup specials. Something to keep us busy every single match day!

Never heard of them, but as I mentioned in another FTX thread yesterday, Malaysians I knew lost their jobs overnight, so it's obvious they had quite a few roots in Asia and the Pacific. It will be another few more weeks I think until we see the true extent of FTX's reach -- their direct investments would have been known by now but the 2nd and 3rd level reaches will only become clear as they become known.

Reading about "funds of funds" about to report/reveal their exposure in coming quarter reporting.

Nah, if anything interest in stocks has increased popularity in Bitcoin. Stock guy sees some kind of crypto or Bitcoin-tied stock, or futures or options, fancy derivatives probably gets all excited because he can use all kinds of financial facilities as a stock broker to get all kinds of fancy Bitcoin derivatives. It's a whole new market for them, stock people. Without even ever needing to actually touch Bitcoin.

Why do you think stock big guns like eToro went all hot and heavy on Bitcoin?

More seriously, I do get what you mean. But people interested in stocks are interested in speculating... so I don't think Bitcoin's the one really feeding the flames with a new asset to speculate on. It's the rest of crypto.

Flog the flokis and the SOLs, you know.

Well, I do agree that most of these market-knee-jerk events have a positive undertone. Mt Gox taught people for the first time "not your keys, not your coins"... remember this was a time when even forum old hands like R. Ver was recommending exchanges to people. Bitcoin getting banned taught people to move to p2p. FTX and Terra taught people more of the same, Binance rejecting the suicide prevented a bigger monopoly yes...

But it was a negative reaction because when something implodes, the market reacts in proportion to exposure, as it always does.

Price, as we all know by now, in the immediate term, has little to no correlation with fundamental value.

Thank you! I'll have to remind myself to come to test it out myself, as mentioned, one of the things on my mind (even if on the backburner) is to really work out how to pass my things on, and at the same time work out a way to make it legible to the receiver. The part on fees concerns me at the moment, impossible to foresee what the network and price would look like in 5 years, never mind decades.

Test completed, looks good! @Slissy: Qatar, eh?


Well, then a warm welcome to you friend! I still get a small tingly feeling of excitement each time a new user comes to my part of the bitcointalk woods -- I know the forum's much, much larger than the section I'm active in, and to be fair, gambling also wasn't my most active section initially so I know how tough it can be to "break in".

I've had good enough fortune to meet many people from forum, initially just Bitcoin people, but more recently guys from gambling and the good news is they are really cool people, regular and normal as can be, with unique interests you couldn't really find in normal life heh.

I saw your thread actually, and never commented only because I know zero about the leagues there but that kind of diversity is awesome. I have been thinking also about creating a new thread on Women's football, as that's probably one of the seriously untapped markets (gambling wise) and after watching some tournaments recently, I admit the quality is really catching up in Europe, probably even better than some regular football leagues I've played in or watched.

What I like about this pool I think we actually have locals supporting. From what I can gather looking at users, English, Aussies, Croatians, Argentinians, Welsh, US Americans, Canadians, Danish at least have reps here (I actually wonder if it's a good idea to voluntarily note our nationalities too, just for fun of course). I know we have at least one Nigerian I can see, too bad they're not in WC. Any Ghanaian, Cameroonian, Senegalese..?

We need to lure a Brazilian from Sportsbet though!

I've been using the site for years, probably one of the most passive users here. Until recently when I got FUN I hadn't deposited anything in years, so yeah, I would say site's been great but have not risked a lot to back that up either. Realistically, you can't ever really judge a site's "trustworthiness" in terms of always paying out, especially when you can't see the entire business strategy, financial report, proof of reserves etc. but in crypto, there is some intangible benefit of being around for a long time without payment issues.

However, no matter how much I "trust" this site, or even my favourite brand of sportsbook/casino (which should be obvious to anyone reading my post history), I'm not giving them the keys to my crypto kingdom =)

So be careful, regardless. Put in what you can afford to lose. In fact, expect to lose it.

Definitely, OP, use the report function. It's easier and works better than anything else. Threads like these only attract the very users you're complaining about (also I recommend OP self moderates and help clean up the forum by deleting spam).

I do feel reporting, over time, improves the quality of posts from poster. Forcing them to put in more effort. I don't know if that's good in the long run, they're essentially still garbage posts with little to no value to the gambling subforum, just with better spelling and better-constructed sentences...


This is the easiest thing in the world to tell on this forum. Real gamblers post bets. Know the odds, know the markets. It's not even about showing off as a lot of people hide their bet amounts (I do myself). If it's technical assistance as you mention or ANN thread owners, then they're gambling industry people (trust me, that means they were gamblers at one point themselves).

The vast majority of posts in Gambling Discussion aren't either. I've noticed people now talking about odds and betting but it's pretty clear most are just parroting or Googling.


Very fair point but it works both ways and you can also easily find the ones who don't want to make an effort. In my self moderated threads I do reach out to new users to talk about why I delete their posts, very, very few respond. They're clearly just there to spam and not interested in contributing.

Not to say I don't count my blessings, was a pretty cool weekend for me but I'd have been a lot happier if not for damned Mourinho who got sent off haha, but shame on me for trusting his team today... and you know, they got a penalty in injury time, but missed?

Insurance is of course better than nothing back but anyway, it's going to be a long month before I get back to getting mad at Italian football, as they're literally absent for the next few weeks heh.

I just heard from the best friend of a member of my family that they were affected by FTX too. These were people employed in Malaysia (had no idea). Actually met them in the summer when they told me they were working in crypto too, very good company, very good job, somehow slipped my consciousness if they actually mentioned FTX.

Spectacular fallout with the staff is what I'm hearing. Losing their jobs overnight is one thing, but most of them actually kept their money/crypto savings with FTX and can't touch it now. I almost regret now not advising them when we met about "not your keys" but I did mention not to trust companies to take care of you (crypto or otherwise), but I'd long ago stopped trying to tell people they didn't really have BTC if they bought it and it lives in some app.

They're younger than me, and new to crypto, this is a hard lesson to swallow for anyone, really feel bad for people who got in like this.

Something tells me when they uproot this whole mess, there will be plenty of other unforeseen exposures.