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3101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2018, 03:14:28 PM
hard to tell. back when i started and btc was so cheap i didnt really pay attention. i got in it for the experimental aspect more than any profit. all i know is, aside from the first few years, every year i have less btc, but the real world value of that lessor amount of coins is more. usually much more.

as a miner you can look at it as dollar cost averaging, more or less. like i "buy" coin every week, non stop as long as i mine. then sell as needed.

ive mainly used btc as a kind of a "level up" thing. as in i mainly used them to "upgrade" stuff like vacations, toys, gifts etc to a higher level than i would of without btc. occasionally i would lock a chunk of profit up and put it into efts or other non crypto assets that (hopefully) earn returns in a more conventional, less risky way but of course with much less potential profit.

So it seems to appear that you are regularly taking profits in fiat and consumable goods, and you are not stacking aside bitcoin in a kind of fundamental view that bitcoin could potentially have more value some day. 

I understand that you have been in bitcoin longer than me, but largely I have considered bitcoin as something to attempt to stack up, so if I spend BTC, then I attempt to replace the ones that I spent.  I have been looser with myself regarding this in recent times, because I have established some ways to monitory my fiat versus BTC level, and created my own reasoned considerations regarding how many BTC that I want to maintain at certain price points, and if I have at least enough BTC to continue to reach that stacking BTC goal, then I don't mind shaving off a bit extra fiat for consumable goods.

im guessing you are younger than i. im on the wrong side of fifty. at my age i take less risk as im too old to start over. if i were younger i certainly would be increasing my stack as finances allow. i hope to get back to that too once certain new goals are met. but as of right now, other priorities are more important.

not depleting your stack and especially increasing your stack is always a good thing. for instance i have recently taken advantage of btcs currently lower price to replace some that i sold ~100% higher earlier in the year. but im still down btc from last year. i see btc as a tool. a new, experimental tool to manage value. and its still experimental really. there is still the risk it will fail. or, through personal error, my wallets could get compromised and coins stolen. so im using part of my stack to diversify into different non crypto holding in case it all goes south.

maybe because i got into it fairly early, i still see it as a tool to be used, not as a "get rich" thing. although i hope we all do. but currently im using it now to secure our (wife and i) future with as little risk as possible.
 
so on average for the last few years i have generally spent more btc than i replace. at this stage in my life  i have changed some priorities and used btc profit to try and ensure a more than comfortable retirement (if all goes even close to well). we were at the point that retirement should go well for us anyway but its time to revisit that position and nail down a few potential lose ends. once im happy with that i will go back to accumulation. at least i hope to.

 
3102  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2018, 01:34:04 PM

i take it exactly as it looks, once your initial investment pays out in the tangible assets (money, physical items of worth, knowledge, whatever) its all gravy. i would think (hope) most people in this thread are in this category, ie playing with "house money." at this point even if my stack goes to zero the minute i type this i still made out.

now, one can always argue about lost profit opportunity from this point on, buts thats another animal to me.

Probably we think differently about this matter.
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Therefore, I always thought that I needed a cushion, and therefore, I always considered that I had to monitor my system and approach to investing, to live within my means and to keep a certain aspect of my investment portfolio profitable. 

Part of my point in my above response is to suggest that in my own view and opinion, it is NOT enough for me to merely assert that "I got my principle back and I am 'in profits' " and I continually want to know more about my performance than those kinds of mere simplicities.  I don't necessarily expect others to carry out the same as me, but I still will question if anyone who seems to be asserting that it is enough data for them to conclude that they are "in profits" and they don't want to engage in further self-improvement. 

I am NOT referring to standards that are imposed on anyone from the outside but merely about standards that are imposed on oneself in his/her own aspirations and monitoring of his/her own progress.  I actually tend to resent when standards are imposed on me from someone else or someone suggest that I need to do x, y or z, but it does not seem unreasonable in my thinking to attempt to impose standards upon yourself and to attempt to monitor whether I am reaching my standards.. and that is part of the purpose of continued analysis rather than merely throwing up ones hands and asserting "I am in profits because I got my principle back."

im probably misunderstanding, but i read that more or less as "how is btc profit compared to my other investment goals that have the same amount of effort/capitol as far as my personal goals are concerned."

i do agree that if you have only broke even well thats better than losing but if the same amount invested in something else you knew of at the time would of done better then its less profitable than you could of done. so basically, a fail. but we can only be so knowledgeable about such things. we learn as we go.

so my investment in btc has fared unbelievably well compared to any other investments i have done. im so far past "made my initial money back" its stupid. now, i could of done better in the past (like buying early apple, microsoft, google etc stock) but the past is the past and hindsight can only serve as a lesson to learn. of my current investments, btc is king. even if it goes to zero today, as i have locked in so much profit.

so basically at this point im diversifying even at the cost of lower (but safer) returns but i am ok with that, im a belt and suspenders kind of guy. so i suppose one could say im leaving potential gains on the table but i realize that. when you are long term contingency planning, and take worse case scenarios into account, you know you have to throw money/time into things that may not have much, if any, returns. even to the point that that money/time is purely wasted if whats its guarding against never happens. but thats just like paying an insurance premium to me. i sure would feel stupid with all my eggs in one basket if that basket breaks.

so, at this point im more into making sure my wife and i have a secure future even if things go to crap than more profit. once i hit a certain level, my priorities shift. i am goal oriented, and once that goal is attained i turn to the next one. one can always go back and fortify any particular goal or position as needed later.
3103  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 07, 2018, 10:34:20 PM

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dude.

why is there still wine in the glass in these pics??

you need to drink more, post less. as in less until youre really loaded. cant wait to see those posts and pics.
3104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 07, 2018, 10:52:09 AM
yup, working 7am to 6pm. acquire more FIAT which we can exchange to BTC. get rich and retired in 2022.
Does the fact that you bought bitcoin like 5 years ago make any difference on the life you live right now moneywise, do you take profits and buy stuff you otherwise couldn't afford with your job, or do you just reinvest more?

im not Gyrsur but i mined btc back in 2011 onward and also buy/bought here and there over the years.

my answers are huge yes, big yes, and yes.

May I ask what is the percentage between total incoming BTC over that time and currently hodl'ed BTC is? Or maximum BTC hodled vs currently....

hard to tell. back when i started and btc was so cheap i didnt really pay attention. i got in it for the experimental aspect more than any profit. all i know is, aside from the first few years, every year i have less btc, but the real world value of that lessor amount of coins is more. usually much more.

as a miner you can look at it as dollar cost averaging, more or less. like i "buy" coin every week, non stop as long as i mine. then sell as needed.

ive mainly used btc as a kind of a "level up" thing. as in i mainly used them to "upgrade" stuff like vacations, toys, gifts etc to a higher level than i would of without btc. occasionally i would lock a chunk of profit up and put it into efts or other non crypto assets that (hopefully) earn returns in a more conventional, less risky way but of course with much less potential profit.

3105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 07, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
For the record I am fine with the price going either direction,
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 since my cost average is still zero (I have gained more dollars than my investment and still have coins left).

I am pretty sure that I understand what you are saying here, which is that you have already pretty much pulled out all of the amount of your principle (the amount that you invested); however, with such a great investment like bitcoin, to me, it does come off as a bit lazy for anyone who presumes to be knowledgeable about bitcoin to be just floating around in the space with assertions of "zero costs" when the BTC price has gone from $250 to $19,666 and back down to a bit below $5,800 (so far).  Accordingly, there seems to be a lot of potential (and activism potential) there that is being glossed over, if you are merely asserting "zero costs" without attempting to get into either more specific measures of your investment situation or creating a more active (and perhaps aggressive) BTC investment approach.

i take it exactly as it looks, once your initial investment pays out in the tangible assets (money, physical items of worth, knowledge, whatever) its all gravy. i would think (hope) most people in this thread are in this category, ie playing with "house money." at this point even if my stack goes to zero the minute i type this i still made out.

now, one can always argue about lost profit opportunity from this point on, buts thats another animal to me.
3106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 06, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
yup, working 7am to 6pm. acquire more FIAT which we can exchange to BTC. get rich and retired in 2022.

you've been in this game way longer than I have so I just want to ask some questions, hope you don't mind.

Does the fact that you bought bitcoin like 5 years ago make any difference on the life you live right now moneywise, do you take profits and buy stuff you otherwise couldn't afford with your job, or do you just reinvest more?

im not Gyrsur but i mined btc back in 2011 onward and also buy/bought here and there over the years.

my answers are huge yes, big yes, and yes.
3107  Economy / Economics / Re: Governments Call on Tech Giants to Build Encryption Backdoors -- Or Else on: September 04, 2018, 11:05:13 PM
I never said it was Intel itself that came out. What I was referring to is the fact that the best engineers haven't been able to spot it themselves, even though the "flaw" was there for ever basically.

understood. but is was found and disclosed by responsible people eventually. if they hadnt come out with it intel probably would have happily ignored it even now assuming intel even knew about it internally at some point. flaws just ripe for the pickings.

and just because there are/were no known exploits, that just means the possible exploits were not common or severe enough (for the general public) to be noticed by the general public.

Are you trying to comfort yourself thinking that everything is under control to the degree where the general public isn't exposed to any sort of harmful exploit right now?

lol heavens no. we are at the mercy of both the government and the hardware/software manufactures. neither really care about our security or privacy.

exploits are all over just waiting for someone to find them. hopefully white hats will get to the worst ones first.
3108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BCash - Pro on-chain scamming - Centralized as fuck on: September 04, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
I see neutral people referring to 'Bitcoin core' bitcoin all the time, to distinguish it from 'Bitcoin cash' bcash.

Here I fixed it for you.

pretty sure the btc wallet has called itself "bitcoin core v0.whatever" a long time before bcash_lol came out.

so calling it "bitcoin core" is kinda a habit really at least when referring to the wallet.
3109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: It's time to sell the old GPU ? on: September 04, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
I am the one who is trying to enter the mining business LOL sometimes some tiny information will be huge help for me.

more or less: right now only those with very cheap power are making profit. unless you get the hardware very cheap you are generally looking at a ROI of years, and thats no guarantee.

personally i am still running 470 and 1070/1080 class cards. i retired my power hungry 380/390s over a year ago. so very meager profits at the moment.
3110  Economy / Economics / Re: Governments Call on Tech Giants to Build Encryption Backdoors -- Or Else on: September 04, 2018, 01:34:05 PM
How about the whole Intel security "flaw"? The best engineers in the world haven't been able to know about it until it was thrown into the public.

if you mean specter etc or the intel MME stuff it was not intel that just came out and admitted it one day. it was others that found and publicized it, then intel admitted it to the public. so other "engineers," for want of a better term, did find it.

and just because there are/were no known exploits, that just means the possible exploits were not common or severe enough (for the general public) to be noticed by the general public.

3111  Economy / Economics / Re: Governments Call on Tech Giants to Build Encryption Backdoors -- Or Else on: September 04, 2018, 01:06:14 PM
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“create customized solutions, tailored to their individual system architectures that are capable of meeting lawful access requirements.”

so thats what, everything from smoke signals to every computer and smart device on the planet?

a back door into all communication devices. communications devices that the governments themselves need to securely communicate with each other. that hackers and "questionable" nations can use to access another governments internal, banking, law enforcement, infrastructure and businesses communications.

we all know how good governments are at keeping secret stuff secret. what could go wrong.
3112  Economy / Economics / Re: Lost Bitcoins on: September 03, 2018, 05:40:35 PM
Maybe it will be mined for some reasons that there could be some losses on the supply definitely the team could add some more coins on it knowingly that there could be a percentage of the losses of that crypto. There could be a substitution to it as we all know that even in fiat money where the physical money is being lost and damaged it will be replaced by other physical money. The team knows how to calculate for it so we will going to trust them.

how does one tell between coins that are lost vs coins that have simply never been moved by the owner?

if bitcoin ever adds to the 21 million supply (for whatever reason) then it would be an alt,  not bitcoin.
3113  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Hypnosis as a means of retrieving lost mnemonic seeds. Has anyone tried this? on: September 03, 2018, 02:21:28 PM
OP, I think that the piece of paper you were looking for was the password for the wallet. And if you don't have the corresponding wallet anymore, you are wasting your time.

there were no passwords for the bitcoin core wallet in 2009, the year i assume the OP destroyed his drive and made the backup. those came in sometime after 2011 (the year i started) and the wallet wasnt encrypted at that point.

OP im afraid that unless you find the wallet.dat or the keys themselves (paper wallet maybe, which is pretty advanced as has been pointed out) they are gone if indeed all you ran was the core wallet, and nothing else.

long shot here.. you have no drive image backups from that time period? a drive image would have all files, including "hidden" files, in it. you would just need to restore it to a spare drive.

and the file "name of wallet my wallet".wallet i dont recall any files that had a .wallet extension in the bitcoin core wallet filesystem.

maybe you sent it to some other wallet like armory? armory uses the .wallet extension, plus i believe it did/does word based backups. however i dont recall when armory was introduced, or what its early capabilities were.
3114  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: What would it take to delete all banking records? on: August 23, 2018, 10:57:34 AM
i would think there are so many redundant backups, full and incremental, stored in so many locations, that it would be near impossible to wipe them all out. worse would be a days or hours of data lost.

i know just from my own backup strategies it would take a near end of world scenario to take them all out.

take out all internet and power in the world, that might do it. but then banking would be the least of ones worries.
3115  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 22, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
"feels like he has to fake a personality for the job"
the exact reason why I always preferred laborer jobs to office jobs, not many understood among my family and friends.

when i was a laborer, i noticed no one faked anything, we were all just ourselves. once i graduated to office jobs, thats when i noticed the fakers.

 What a load of shit.  I was also a labourer and there were guys who "forgot their wallet" when it was their turn to bring the coffee which we all looked forward to on the colder days.  Then there were the guys who lost their license for a DUI and tried to hide it as long as they could while sponging rides from the others under the guise of card trouble, wife needs a car I'm getting a bike soon etc...  Jesus.  There was tons of false bravado and comparisons cars/bikes/tattoos and who slept with the most women.  People are people; it's just that the games get headier in an office environment where belching and farting aren't legitimate comebacks anymore.  Also, you'd probably get fired for whistling at each woman (or man) that happened by.  I couldn't afford to waste my hard-earned money on a Harley and tattoos so I was forced into the office for a while (tech stuff - mostly sealants and paint) and finally settled into a production plant environment where there are people of all types and we get diversity training so we can all get along.


edit: Almost forgot, I also worked as a farmhand on a fruit farm (pay was heavily gov't subsidized).  We weren't allowed to talk while pulling weeds and rocks from the field so head games were at an absolute minimum.  You got a couple of warnings for talking and then they just sent you home.


guess i was just lucky then. it was construction, we all pulled out weight and got along great, and partied a lot outside of work.

my office gigs however.. many backstabbers there.
3116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 22, 2018, 11:50:24 AM
"feels like he has to fake a personality for the job"
the exact reason why I always preferred laborer jobs to office jobs, not many understood among my family and friends.

when i was a laborer, i noticed no one faked anything, we were all just ourselves. once i graduated to office jobs, thats when i noticed the fakers.
3117  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Information decentralization: Bitcointalk plays a great part on: August 22, 2018, 11:26:35 AM
So, let's keep Bitcoin aside for a little while and let's think for a moment about how this forum has become one of the places in which information can run decentralized.

this forum is not decentralized. and its not meant to be, as it is privately owned. it is controlled by the owner and moderators, limiting what can be posted.

it is still one of the best "goto" forums on btc and alts at the moment, but post things contrary to what the owners and mods consider acceptable and posts will disappear.

a truly decentralized forum has yet to exist AFAIK, although it is being worked on.
3118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 20, 2018, 01:30:49 PM

And I know some of you are big fans of anonymint but he is a fucking cultist just like Craig and Roger. Maybe a little smarter than them but he is still a cultist.


i dont think so. if one can prove his data or analysis is wrong, he will admit his mistake. it has happened. thats not the mark of a cultist. cultists ignore facts.

it may seem hes inflexible but thats only because his logic, understanding of the subjects and research is very very good.

the mark of a true scientist is to go with the best theory that fits the facts as they are known. when something happens that invalidates that, the scientist will scrap that theory and search for a new one. thats shelby.

even his detractors generally admit he is very very smart. thats puts us average guys (like me specifically not mentioning any names here) at a distinct disadvantage. i would need to dedicate years to understand just some his theories, and even then i probably lack the brainpower to fully grok it.
3119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 13, 2018, 07:56:22 PM
Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.

well, except when forced by to lie by being given conflicting orders.
3120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 10, 2018, 11:52:52 PM
I just wanted to let you all know, that I'm secure enough with myself to admit, that I have absolutely no idea what is going on with Bitcorn prices.

What a ride though. Crazy wild swings.

I can't imagine the financial carnage Bitcorn has caused people trying to play the markets.

isnt this what we signed up for? the wild ride?

i mean who wants to be bored.

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