Man, you guys with Ecuador, and then slam with Qatar in his defence HAHAHA (sorry man). I know you have to be weird to win Fantasy but you went too weird, my friend

Pickford my sub and I wanted to test that if it worked and it does, as he's automatically gone in now and shows 0 points (live). Kane is my 12th man boost, also showing 0 points so it seems like the live is working for FIFA.

Sterling started also, so I got that part right in my Quiz (but I can't imagine anyone else not picking him to do so)... just need Southgate to sub him off and get Trent on late when they're still nil-nil like this as I expect will happen when 2nd half resumes. 25 minutes and not one attempt on target, typical England.

Useless trivia: They're playing at the same stadium I was at in 2019 =D

Interesting, I'm seeing quite a lot of 12k estimates for bottom buying. Personally, don't think it's possible without another major item of negative news, but also feel that if we do see 12k from current estimates, then it might just trigger further downsides given just how jittery the entire market even outside of crypto is -- the bounce from there should be just as spectacular though?

It seems different now because "crypto" has never been farther from Bitcoin at this stage. Sure, we had the 2017 ICO era with thousands of shitcoins spewing out of Ethereum but you now have scores of Ethereum lookalikes, spewing out dozens more of crypto we'll never see or hear about. Exchanges creating money out of thin air, newcomers to crypto never actually knowing how to use crypto, wallets, much less own a single satoshi.

Bitcoin doesn't just survive these things, it thrives. Price reflects that only later on.

Even if he does end up serving some kind of jail time, it will be with the maximum comfort, maximum freedom to do things remotely, that money and influence has already bought and paid for. He might even prefer the security it'll afford him from vengeful creditors...


Probably quite fair summary of what needs to be legally determined, but there is also the non-philosophical question of whether he carried out all activities with his company's money above board. As CEO, did he actually have full power to use budgets and finances as he did, or were the entire board complicit, etc.

He may (will) get away with what he did with customers, or end up paying a trifle for their suffering. It's the big suits and whether he also lost their money is what will be his worry (as pointed out above what Holmes also found out).

Probably explains why ETH looked a bit sickly today despite Bitcoin more or less trading in the same range. Think people are already hedging on this outcome, regardless of who really is behind that bag.

Definitely nice to think a state makes these calculations but the choice to not just sit on it suggests someone knowing what they are doing (or calculating a gamble).

Right, so just a handful of us went for a host win, what were we thinking about, haha. Valencia should have had a hattrick too. Not the entertainment of Russia's opening game, but many of you guys happy with the win, well done Ecuador!

Anyway, just sharing a silly bet here for Gav (from Clubtalk TV) to visit Qatar during the World Cup. Think it's live for the next 24 hours in the Sports Special tab (time shows 10pm 21 Nov my time which is in 27 hours).


We can all bet the kitchen sink on it, pool some money to kidnap and send him there anyway and profit

I had to put up with my kid wanting to watch the performance because of a certain pretty boy performing, thought it was slightly underwhelming if I say so myself? Think Shakira pulled out and I could barely hear Morgan Freeman but yeah, finally can get going to the business end of things on the pitch.

Casper the friendly mascot haha

HT on Qatar... why they played 2nd choice keeper, never know, he's a bag of nerves...

Anyway, casino boost active. And that's 5 minutes of my halftime rewarded haha

^ Yeah I'm not even competing for that one, it's just something I know I'm not capable of without actually really committing time -- which is the one thing I have less and less of.

It does say about that 10000 points to get a guaranteed prize (the VIP status) but the wording feels vague (and also doesn't account for what if the top leaderboard doesn't have all of them reach this minimum) but all of these are moot points for me.

Would be really cool to see you both there in the prize spots at the very least, and there are intangible status awards anyway

Had no idea Binance was responsible for fee spike the last couple of days (though I've been getting by still with very low fees and waiting and it is a far cry from 100 sat estimates of years past).

Not sure I understand why that causes panic and fear? Won't people be happier if Binance does batch txs for withdrawals from larger inputs? More txs in a batch, less space taken up when the Binance bank run happens if it does?

Don't know enough or can look at data far back enough to say this is deliberate or just periodic or intermittent. Still feel like it's posts like that that do more to spread FUD (since people wouldn't otherwise be aware anyway), which is a shame as they're really quite informative.

As pointed out above, exchanges don't really care about fee overestimation either since the cost is passed on to the consumer (not to mention majority of fees for the past 3 years at least are pure profit).

Then I'm rooting for you, besides, impossible for me to get 4th spot, I'll just pray for bad luck to everyone in between you and me, for something to happen.

Every season has an end and a guy who makes the biggest leap. Let that be me today heh heh.


Somehow it doesn't feel like the end of an era for me, so much as a farewell to the type of personality that I feel we see less and less in this particular sport... nice that all drivers have dinner together to see him off (isn't that just typical?) but only because I'm a casual follower?


Or the guys in front get greedy and make ill-timed gambles. It's the final race. Time for all kinds of reckless behaviours and using up damage budget quotas

Nice one, OP! As hugeblack wrote, though, motivation is what really ensures that the people you're targeting (in this case, his potential or existing customers) are converted to try using BTC at least once.

How do you convince them? When they understand why you do it -- some reasons or motivations given (opportunity to send money to places inaccessible by traditional payments, inflation hedge etc.).

But even more powerful for me is to demonstrate the positive change (before and after).

Example (from perspective of the shop owner): before, I couldn't accept Mister A as customer because he could not leave his farm. Now, I send him a payment request for BTC and I now have a new customer.

So, I just realised this morning seeing ads on my tv (wanted to see which channels broadcasting) that new bookies in my place of residence are having their first big sports event (they were all created last year, 7 new online companies) and they all have really interesting promos for new customers. Fiat, so only like max bet 1 euro but big payouts like 50/1 on first bet, nothing compared to Sportsbet.

Don't forget an hour before kickoff there's a 3-hour window to get a 10% boost on all Bombay Live casino games (5 minutes only) on Sportsbet for those of you wanting to gamble while watching the opening ceremony! And a new bonus every day too, opt-in here: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/2022-world-championship-casino-offer


Thanks for confirming I entered the quiz, still not sure why I got the "warning" message about confirming as I don't recall seeing that before submitting on the test form.

And about the qualifying bet, sorry man, haha. Promise I'll send very simple bets from now on so you guys have fewer headaches. Right now have 14 active bets on World Cup just on Sportsbet... earliest bet was made 4 months ago. I thought I was being conservative and didn't keep track and then now I realise what an addict I look like... =(

No, I don't actually heh. I put the Fantasy in World Cup fantasy =p

None of the predicted lineups I've seen even has him, Trippier's for sure ahead of him but my genius shadow brain says, if he does play, Southgate's gonna slot him in when it's still 0-0 to gamble in 2nd half and, maybe he gets a freekick goal and an assist.

In other words, I'm taking a big risk for MD1 (Kane's not even in my team, but my 12th man boost in case he makes a hattrick haha), and relying on some subs to make up for it if I don't get it right.


Yeah I know I'm gambling here, hoping to be the supreme leader when TAA scores and assists (dream on, right?).

I'm afraid I might have to pass the Around the World Cup promo. It's not that I don't have the money, it's literally a problem of time management for me... I'm probably already over-extending myself (and it really doesn't help this damned tournament is happening at the most busy period in the year!).

GL to those participating though!


I have a Twitter account. This and other promos like this is precisely why I "use" it heh.

I doubt it's possible for people to "wake up" in general. Even for me to change my mind about something I'm pretty set on, not possible except in the wildest of circumstances. Sort of why I don't think awareness is useful (everyone protests and says it's for awareness but I think it's apathy really that's the problem).

In any case, good luck with being a lion. And yeah, spend, when you can. Bitcoin's true value is helped on by all of us continuing to use it.

Ah damn Verstappen. Put Perez for pole in the prediction contest (not pool) and he actually came pretty close, but shouldn't have gambled like that on last day of season. Still, if Sainz finds a way to blaze through in the race I might gain an edge over there. Provided Verstappen wins, of course as he was always going to be my winner.

No Hammie groupies?

Tried using booster then confirming, then resetting, booster came back. I guess this is okay to do as long as MD1 hasn't started yet.

I didn't want to be too fancy and try to be too smart, so I made sure I got points from Kane (vs Iran should be pretty good right?) and I even put Trent in, bonus because he's a def but he'll probably be played in midfield

I went for 4-3-3 wanted to even go 3 defenders but then budget doesn't allow for a good squad anyway.

All done, not gonna tinker!

They're really good, I agree, but they've been getting their aging forwards to carry the battle for far too long, and midfield now is nowhere as good as their missing stars. Finalists maybe, but more Christmas party donations? =D


Yeah, and if you watched them (and even Egypt who's not playing) in Afcon, the quality of matches overall was so poor, you can't seem them really compete against World Cup teams. Then again, it's a entirely different style of play, different expectations and game management (the most important aspect in Qatar IMO), it's not easy to really imagine how teams will play until the first few rounds get underway.


During AFC, I took home a lot of money on Qatar. They were an unknown team, practising behind closed doors, and with a cool Spanish coach that actually for a "young" team has won quite a lot since he took charge. I don't think they're that dangerous any more as an unknown, but they have the most stable unit - a coach that practically built this current team for 10 years, who already have a bit of experience winning in Asia and Concacaf, and could definitely pull off the first upset tomorrow against Ecuador, but they are still very poor at game management -- something the South Americans and Europeans are masters of.

After what happened with Ronaldo, which came out of the blue for me, I suspect it could also cause Portugal to stumble. Amazing talents but until they purge Ronaldo they can't play to the formation that truly takes on the strength of their team -- so yeah, they could get pipped by Ghana, sho knows.

I definitely don't think everyone adjusts to Qatar humidity. I know for a fact it's a very different environment to play in that kind of heat plus humidity, you need months to acclimatise.

So I'm not 100% sure about upset teams, but I think a couple of giants could miss out on KO and give their places to 3rd seeds like Japan, South Korea, Ghana, even 4th seed like Qatar. Germany, Portugal, Croatia are my favourites for missing out but I picked them all to progress anyway!

@slaman29: Sorry man, KTChampion is right. You can make multibets, but one leg at least has to be 1.5 odds minimum. Betbuilder's probably the only way to mix up a lot of "low odds" outcomes to achieve 15/10 minimum. I used an outright bet, but I'll probably be placing lots of bets throughout I'll have so many bets to pick from

Anyway, thanks for the quiz, Cro2! I had I think 3 tags on this thread/related so I definitely saw it haha.

Good to see it's fairly non-technical, don't think anyone will have a problem participating, at the same time I liked the style of choosing a star that may or may not play, that's literally a coin toss to me, whether he gets to feature, and for how long!

Anyway, my early answers locked in. Put in a qualifying bet on the Lions of Teranga!

P.S. I had an message pop up saying I can only submit once, and asked me if I'm sure to submit, so... if I submitted twice, that was a mistake (probably same answer though I doubt I put in a different form?).


Hey, they can always rely on some old guy like Giroud or Benzema, like they have been for a long time.

Denmark, eh? I don't think they're bad at all, just not good enough to break down one of the S Americans.


I'll do my best to make it hard for you!

And non-Africans too. He's a bloody genuine good guy, makes waves back in Liverpool, trying to be Scouser and all. Just the kind of guy I like, everyone likes, and no one can hate. I'm gutted he's not playing but still, team Senegal!


I agree Senegal will have to play different tactics. Afcon was a careful tournament, everyone was playing mind games and conserving energy. World Cup's probably going to reward those who take more risks and some teams might feel they have a physical advantage. Better make the most of it.