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something fishy on zpool after i've tried mining skein there, my earning was 0.0043 for some hours, then i stopped now it is 0.0035, for no reason
anyone had this issue?
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just a moment where etheruem is better but it will not last, but those price are off in my country, for example i have the 470 and 1060 at the same price, and a 1060 is better at zec than a 470 same hash but lower wattage
let's talk once again about real numbers, assuming an investment of 3k, with 1070 i would buy 6 x 1070, 1 full rig, which will do 1920 sol at 650watt(320 sol/90watt per card, check nicehash thread for reference)
with the 470 i would buy 11 gpu because you will lose some money on the second rig due to additional components, these 2 rig will hash at 2200/1100watt(200 sol at 90 watt per gpu)
now take a look at whattomine, we are basically doing the same net profit per day at 0.1 cent electricity, so again amd being better it's a myth
actually a 1070 can hash at 370 sol/140 watt, at least some model can, so you have better hash(2220) and lower wattage(900), on zcash nvidia win, on etheruem not, but etheruem will be dead soon and i don't care
Issues with your calculations: Arbitrary cash limit, gimping the 470 setup. 470 in US costs $170, not $200. 1060 3GB are all 200+, looking at ~$220 unless you want garbage cooler. So your arbitrary rig would cost $330 less, or have 2 more cards. If you are OCing the crap out of a 1070, it will not last a long time, you could also OC the 470. Ethereum won't be dead soon, PoS is a while out, probably will be delayed due to recent happenings. So you could take the 13 470s and mine Eth for a clear win. Of course prices can always change, but it seems Zec is overmined, due to pre-polaris cards being good at it, and now some 1070 owners jumping on the cool train, that they already missed. I have my 1060 3GB cards doing Zec, just because they aren't very good at Eth, but I wouldn't go and buy new ones to mine, and definitely not 1070. I go where the money is, I would buy whatever card had best ROI. It just happens that whenever I have mined, AMD has had better ROI. it will last much longer than you think, it's not heavy oc just mem oc core is at zero, only on some model it work and can get you 370 for 90 watt point is 370 at 90 watt is better than 200 at 90 watt, factoring the electricity cost of 10 cent, make the investment equal, there is no amd better ever, roi is the same even with your 13 gpu(which is not the case here, i can't find a 470 for $170) and any case it's 12 gpu not 13 a 1070 cost 400 on newegg, 400 x 6 + 400 for component = 2800 = 170 x 12 + 800(two rig of 470), 370 x 6 at 900watt vs 200 x 12 at 1200watt, same roi, so no amd is not better even on newegg, case closed, here the price is not $170 but 200 so it's far worse... a 1060 can do 226 sol at 85watt, even if it cost 200 it's a better choice |
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Plats and golds can have huge difference.
Let's say you pull 750 watts on a 1000 watt psu.
If you take ten 1000 watt golds and ten 1000 watt plats
They can be 6% different in power .
And depending on sales and deals
Sometimes a good 1000 watt plat can be low cost .
The 1000 watt rosewill quark was on sale,for 110 usd at newegg.
A solid plat psu with a good warranty
jonnyguru.com gave it a solid review and if you can get it for 110 usd and plan to draw 750 watts
It is a no brainer to buy it over a gold 1000 watter
it depend on the model really, my rm1000i sit at 91% efficiency all the time(some times even 92%) and it's gold, a platinum can only do 93%-94% and titanium 95%-96% 2-3% maximum will not make a big difference, because you are saving like 300watt a day... |
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there should be a sticky about this, the build is always the same, my perfect choice is
asrock h81 pro btc
g1840
g.skill sniper 8GB
sandisk 60/120GB
RM1000i
6xrisers
then you add your number of gpu, with $1000 you can buy 3 x 470 or 3 x 1060, or 1.5 x 1070 which is not feasible...
I don't agree completely with you. MB and CPU is fine but why 8 gb of ram and why ssd for mining ? RAM and SSd are not needed ! You can buy used parts, 4gb of RAM used for about 10$ and find some used 60gb HDD for 10-15$. That is what I did and works like a charm. About PSU depends on card you will be using. no 4gb are not enough, you need 8gb nowadays, of course you can buy everything used not just ram and ssd..., that's not the point, i like to buy new things when it come to HW stuff, a ssd cost only $40 new, saving 20 will not make any difference on the psu, 1000 watt works perfectly with the current gen card, you wll never need more than that Why is 4 gb not enough ? I have 3 rigs and every single one have 4gb of ram and they are working perfectly. Ram does not increase any performance and you can run 64bit systems on 4gb some algo require a huge amount of system ram and then you need huge page file if you have low system memory, ram as very cheap no need tos ave on tht, yu can have 8 gb for less than $40, difference between that and 4Gb is like $15? |
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there should be a sticky about this, the build is always the same, my perfect choice is
asrock h81 pro btc
g1840
g.skill sniper 8GB
sandisk 60/120GB
RM1000i
6xrisers
then you add your number of gpu, with $1000 you can buy 3 x 470 or 3 x 1060, or 1.5 x 1070 which is not feasible...
I don't agree completely with you. MB and CPU is fine but why 8 gb of ram and why ssd for mining ? RAM and SSd are not needed ! You can buy used parts, 4gb of RAM used for about 10$ and find some used 60gb HDD for 10-15$. That is what I did and works like a charm. About PSU depends on card you will be using. no 4gb are not enough, you need 8gb nowadays, of course you can buy everything used not just ram and ssd..., that's not the point, i like to buy new things when it come to HW stuff, a ssd cost only $40 new, saving 20 will not make any difference on the psu, 1000 watt works perfectly with the current gen card, you wll never need more than that |
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there should be a sticky about this, the build is always the same, my perfect choice is
asrock h81 pro btc
g1840
g.skill sniper 8GB
sandisk 60/120GB
RM1000i
6xrisers
then you add your number of gpu, with $1000 you can buy 3 x 470 or 3 x 1060, or 1.5 x 1070 which is not feasible...
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yeah, when it's not on p0, i see lower core, around 15xx, it go to p0 automatically
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no it's only 2% the difference in efficiency, you will save something like 50 euro a year, not worth it unless the price is very akin
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I just opened Minercontrol with z-pool jason file in it... it's worthless to mine there.  How much do you get with the opensource miner? Pretty sure the pool skims, I posted a complaint in the thread back when it was around like a year ago.. You lose 20-30% of your profits compared to what it's showing as 'actual' profits, even if your hashrate is spot on. You can always mine Auroracoin or digibyte directly @ yiimp and compare. (skein) i'm trying it, but i don't have the fastest miner, only 360MH(400 with oc) on a 1070 but at 100 watt or lower per card, zpool say 0.015 per day with 2.5GH, let's see if this is true |
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I will, I will. No worries. I will release my fork in a day or two.
Although it is not as fast as Claymore's yet, it should be much faster than SA v5 on AMD cards.
I already sold most of my NVIDIA cards, so I have no idea how it would compare on NVIDIA cards.
If I had received a lot of donations, I could have justified purchasing GTX 1060 to my wife, but I could only dream...
why you have sold them? they perform better than amd, just look at nice hash result 370 sol on a 1070, you couldn't achieve such speed? He probably sold before the recent Nvidia speed boosts, which made them somewhat in the ballpark cost/perfwise. 370 is on a highly overclocked card, realistically 1070 gets ~330@150w, and also pool locked. So sure they peform ~50% better currently, but cost more than twice as much. 216 sol a 1060 that is cheap and with less than 90 watt, better than a 470, 1070 is still not there yet i agree, but nvidia isn't only 1070 you know, there is 1050ti/1060 etc... 1060 3GB is a decent card for mining. Similar speed to a a 470 (which does ~200 with stock clocks), but also costs more. Can get a 470 for $175, 1060 is $200+ ($200 is for garbage cooling). 216 sol is heavy OC, I have moderate OC on a 1060 3GB, pulling 200, my other 2 are only doing 180, so I highly doubt you using 90w. The other issue is currently Zec profitability is pretty crap, I can make $30/month Eth only with a 470 easy (no memory OC), pulling very little watts, or $22 on Zec. Nvidia missed the party for Zec it seems. 1070 can do 310 sol at 100 watt so i can't see how the 1060 is not doing 200 sol and less than 90 watt, it should be 70-80, nvidia is currently more efficent than amd that is certain talking about the nicehash last miner of course It seems that the 1070 is better than the R9 390 or even the Nano. The nano can do 300 at 140W. Looking at my card in GPU-Z again, it may be possible, the shown power % of TDP on it yesterday was ~80%, now its ~50-60% for some reason. Maybe was looking at different brands..... Don't feel like moving my Killawatt. Anyways, currently a 1070 would make ~$30/month, and have ~14 month ROI, and a 1060 3GB would have ~11 month ROI, add in system costs, and it is doesn't look any better. 470 on Ethereum would have ~7 month ROI. So like I said, Nvidia totally missed the party. At this point, being slightly more efficient for ZEC isn't really a win, unless there is some major pump happening on ZEC, because Ethereum is so much more profitable. how is etheruem more profitable? dunno where you are taking those numbers, but ethereum is not more profitable than zcash, not even for amd, they are there a 1070 is making 1.2 net per day currently at 10 cent electricity, that is $36 per month, which is 12 months roi, if you get it used($300 second hand) or founder edition it's even 10 months roi or less a 470 will roi on 7 months, but you need to roi more than one 470 card to equal one 1070, because the 1070 is faster even on etheruem 32-33MH vs 27mh(i don't remember the exact hahs of a 470 there)? Profitability depends on card, though right now Zec is particularly bad. A 470 doin 27.7MH Eth (strap mod, no OC) make $30 (according to whattomine, and 0.068/kwh), doing Zec it will do 200H, and get ~$20. A 1060 will make ~$20 Zec, or ~20 Eth. A 1070 would make ~$32 Zec, or ~$34 Eth (with crazy high memory OC) 7000/200/300/Fury cards, I think are similar Zec and Eth profit since Zec is in the toilet right now, before they were better off doing Zec. So for Polaris cards, Eth is hands down better (~50% more profit), and for other cards its similar, with Eth sometimes having a small lead. If you are talking about used cards, you can get a 470 for $145, giving it a 5 month ROI. No matter how you slice it, even with recent Nvidia boost to Zec, it just isn't as good. Sure a highly OC 1070 rig doing Eth will make slightly more profit than a 470 stock clocks, but it costs twice as much, so not a win. 1060 does maybe 19MH eth with +200 mem, and 1070 memory bus is only 33% wider, so 33MH must be some crazy insane torture for a 1070. An abused 470 will do ~31MH. just a moment where etheruem is better but it will not last, but those price are off in my country, for example i have the 470 and 1060 at the same price, and a 1060 is better at zec than a 470 same hash but lower wattage let's talk once again about real numbers, assuming an investment of 3k, with 1070 i would buy 6 x 1070, 1 full rig, which will do 1920 sol at 650watt(320 sol/90watt per card, check nicehash thread for reference) with the 470 i would buy 11 gpu because you will lose some money on the second rig due to additional components, these 2 rig will hash at 2200/1100watt(200 sol at 90 watt per gpu) now take a look at whattomine, we are basically doing the same net profit per day at 0.1 cent electricity, so again amd being better it's a myth actually a 1070 can hash at 370 sol/140 watt, at least some model can, so you have better hash(2220) and lower wattage(900), on zcash nvidia win, on etheruem not, but etheruem will be dead soon and i don't care |
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same setting, but i can't get that hash with that wattage, the maximum is 310 sol 100w, what is your core clock?
6x GTX 1070 EVGA FTW - Drivers 376.19 Core +140 (real core ~1860Mhz) vCore +20% Mem +685 (real core ~4482Mhz) TDP 50% (~91w per card)   ~320 Sols/card - Total 1927 sols/s with 2 process of EQM (3 cards each) i know you can do 2 threads per cards now, but i found it to be less stable in my experiments (had some crashes, and get 3% less sols/s overall) ~695W @ wall - 1 sol/s per 0.36066W Very efficient for now ;-), will play a bit more with OC/vCore over the week-end, this configuration being rock stable for 2 days, 0 rejected shares. Would like to see if some settings or code optimizations could max out the GPU's they're not fully maxed (about 96% load in nvidia-smi), i used the usual variables to max out cards, but it's not 100%. Cheers. moving above 600 mem give me artifact and i have samsung memory, it must be the model, i have the g1 gaming, the bst i could get was 93 watt but 306 sol |
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I will, I will. No worries. I will release my fork in a day or two.
Although it is not as fast as Claymore's yet, it should be much faster than SA v5 on AMD cards.
I already sold most of my NVIDIA cards, so I have no idea how it would compare on NVIDIA cards.
If I had received a lot of donations, I could have justified purchasing GTX 1060 to my wife, but I could only dream...
why you have sold them? they perform better than amd, just look at nice hash result 370 sol on a 1070, you couldn't achieve such speed? He probably sold before the recent Nvidia speed boosts, which made them somewhat in the ballpark cost/perfwise. 370 is on a highly overclocked card, realistically 1070 gets ~330@150w, and also pool locked. So sure they peform ~50% better currently, but cost more than twice as much. 216 sol a 1060 that is cheap and with less than 90 watt, better than a 470, 1070 is still not there yet i agree, but nvidia isn't only 1070 you know, there is 1050ti/1060 etc... 1060 3GB is a decent card for mining. Similar speed to a a 470 (which does ~200 with stock clocks), but also costs more. Can get a 470 for $175, 1060 is $200+ ($200 is for garbage cooling). 216 sol is heavy OC, I have moderate OC on a 1060 3GB, pulling 200, my other 2 are only doing 180, so I highly doubt you using 90w. The other issue is currently Zec profitability is pretty crap, I can make $30/month Eth only with a 470 easy (no memory OC), pulling very little watts, or $22 on Zec. Nvidia missed the party for Zec it seems. 1070 can do 310 sol at 100 watt so i can't see how the 1060 is not doing 200 sol and less than 90 watt, it should be 70-80, nvidia is currently more efficent than amd that is certain talking about the nicehash last miner of course It seems that the 1070 is better than the R9 390 or even the Nano. The nano can do 300 at 140W. Looking at my card in GPU-Z again, it may be possible, the shown power % of TDP on it yesterday was ~80%, now its ~50-60% for some reason. Maybe was looking at different brands..... Don't feel like moving my Killawatt. Anyways, currently a 1070 would make ~$30/month, and have ~14 month ROI, and a 1060 3GB would have ~11 month ROI, add in system costs, and it is doesn't look any better. 470 on Ethereum would have ~7 month ROI. So like I said, Nvidia totally missed the party. At this point, being slightly more efficient for ZEC isn't really a win, unless there is some major pump happening on ZEC, because Ethereum is so much more profitable. how is etheruem more profitable? dunno where you are taking those numbers, but ethereum is not more profitable than zcash, not even for amd, they are there a 1070 is making 1.2 net per day currently at 10 cent electricity, that is $36 per month, which is 12 months roi, if you get it used($300 second hand) or founder edition it's even 10 months roi or less a 470 will roi on 7 months, but you need to roi more than one 470 card to equal one 1070, because the 1070 is faster even on etheruem 32-33MH vs 27mh(i don't remember the exact hahs of a 470 there)? |
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same setting, but i can't get that hash with that wattage, the maximum is 310 sol 100w, what is your core clock?
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you can currently profit with 30 cent so i can't see how 12 would not be great to start a mining farm, a small one, i think up to 0.15 it's safe to invest in mining without big risk
so go ahead and build your little farm
Just because you can profit currently does not mean you will ever ROI. The whole point is to have enough profit margin to overcome risk (ie price drops/difficulty rise). Currently thats nearly impossible with current levels of ZEC/ETH unless you paying around 5 cents/kw TOTAL bill cost. With BTC/LTC mining your a bit better off since those markets are a LOT more stable. they keep saying that but what i see is that the altcoin scene was always profitable since 2013, the only big downtime for people with expensive electricity was end 2014, and a bit 2015, but aside form that it was always profitable for everyone with gpu rig you have virtually no risk, if everything go wrong very fast after your investment you just sell your gpu again for 80% retail or more, if everything go wrong after a year or more, you have already reached roi....so you are safe either way in any case the big resale value will save your ass |
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ah yeah, but it's the same for the EWBF miner, but i'm getting 260 sol for each gpu instead of 306
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I will, I will. No worries. I will release my fork in a day or two.
Although it is not as fast as Claymore's yet, it should be much faster than SA v5 on AMD cards.
I already sold most of my NVIDIA cards, so I have no idea how it would compare on NVIDIA cards.
If I had received a lot of donations, I could have justified purchasing GTX 1060 to my wife, but I could only dream...
why you have sold them? they perform better than amd, just look at nice hash result 370 sol on a 1070, you couldn't achieve such speed? He probably sold before the recent Nvidia speed boosts, which made them somewhat in the ballpark cost/perfwise. 370 is on a highly overclocked card, realistically 1070 gets ~330@150w, and also pool locked. So sure they peform ~50% better currently, but cost more than twice as much. 216 sol a 1060 that is cheap and with less than 90 watt, better than a 470, 1070 is still not there yet i agree, but nvidia isn't only 1070 you know, there is 1050ti/1060 etc... 1060 3GB is a decent card for mining. Similar speed to a a 470 (which does ~200 with stock clocks), but also costs more. Can get a 470 for $175, 1060 is $200+ ($200 is for garbage cooling). 216 sol is heavy OC, I have moderate OC on a 1060 3GB, pulling 200, my other 2 are only doing 180, so I highly doubt you using 90w. The other issue is currently Zec profitability is pretty crap, I can make $30/month Eth only with a 470 easy (no memory OC), pulling very little watts, or $22 on Zec. Nvidia missed the party for Zec it seems. 1070 can do 310 sol at 100 watt so i can't see how the 1060 is not doing 200 sol and less than 90 watt, it should be 70-80, nvidia is currently more efficent than amd that is certain talking about the nicehash last miner of course |
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I will, I will. No worries. I will release my fork in a day or two.
Although it is not as fast as Claymore's yet, it should be much faster than SA v5 on AMD cards.
I already sold most of my NVIDIA cards, so I have no idea how it would compare on NVIDIA cards.
If I had received a lot of donations, I could have justified purchasing GTX 1060 to my wife, but I could only dream...
why you have sold them? they perform better than amd, just look at nice hash result 370 sol on a 1070, you couldn't achieve such speed? He probably sold before the recent Nvidia speed boosts, which made them somewhat in the ballpark cost/perfwise. 370 is on a highly overclocked card, realistically 1070 gets ~330@150w, and also pool locked. So sure they peform ~50% better currently, but cost more than twice as much. 216 sol a 1060 that is cheap and with less than 90 watt, better than a 470, 1070 is still not there yet i agree, but nvidia isn't only 1070 you know, there is 1050ti/1060 etc... |
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I will, I will. No worries. I will release my fork in a day or two.
Although it is not as fast as Claymore's yet, it should be much faster than SA v5 on AMD cards.
I already sold most of my NVIDIA cards, so I have no idea how it would compare on NVIDIA cards.
If I had received a lot of donations, I could have justified purchasing GTX 1060 to my wife, but I could only dream...
why you have sold them? they perform better than amd, just look at nice hash result 370 sol on a 1070, you couldn't achieve such speed? |
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1080
Gigabyte G1
Set Powerlimit 100%
Used Power 75-90 % of 200 Watt --> 160 Watt (80%) --> 1,875 Sol per Watt
300 -310 Sols
Set Powerlimit 70 % of 200 Watt --> 140 Watt (70%) --> 1,893 Sol per Watt
265 Sols
1070
Gigabyte G1
Set Powerlimit 100%
Used Power 85 % of 200 Watt --> 170 Watt (85%)--> 1,51 Sol per Watt
257 Sols
Set Powerlimit 70 % of 200 Watt --> 140 Watt (70%) --> 1,82 Sol per Watt
255 Sols
Didnt test Ram OC
dude you can have 260 sol at 100 watt, don't waste electricity, tweak it right, 55% tdp is the key, then just oc mem and a bit the core could u print screen your msi afterburner settings with tdp 55%? tks a lot! does the cpu matters using 5 gpus? no just use the cheap 1840 from intel here  |
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