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3121  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 04:05:26 AM

I'll grant that Core's approach to scaling is slower than Cash's, but it certainly ain't safer.

Strange, i only see that argument coming from BCasher's, didn't expect less from Bcash shit noobs like you Kiss

Once again, Paashaas yields a glancing and ineffectual blow, completely devoid of any cogent rebuttal.
3122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 04:03:38 AM
Because miners producers do not have the same set of incentives that users consumers have and the bitcoin product exists to serve users consumers not miners producers, miners producers too exist to serve users consumers.

So...
Cryptocurrencies -- specifically the market for tx inclusion -- are the one and only special case where the laws of economics do not apply?

(As an aside, I'm quite sure that, when the producers shut off their alarm clock at oh-dark-thirty, and wearily drag themselves out of bed to face another long grim day of producing, that doing it for the benefit of the exalted consumers ain't first and foremost on their minds)
3123  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 03:54:08 AM
Daytraders gotta daytrade. You're all over this place when your pet project is pumping.

Butthurt segwit maximalists misdirect their ire when Bitcoin Cash is enjoying a period of appreciation. Very loudly and very emphatically. Lashing out -- however inappropriately and however impotently -- against what they perceive as the foil of their pain. I merely reply.

I'm actually always all over this place. However, the most persistent and egregious untruths that would go unchallenged without my retort are false assertions about Bitcoin Cash.

I think of it as a service.

Cheers!
3124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 03:48:12 AM
Here is my 2 satoshi for what it's worth:

Block size, if handled correctly, will end up having nothing to do with scaling and everything to do with regulating compensation for miners. If miners are not being given enough incentive to provide sufficient security to the blockchain than blocks are too big, if the opposite is the case than blocks are too small. Scaling will have to come from second layer solutions. Some transactions will always need to be on chain, the value that people place on putting transactions on chain needs to be enough to compensate the miners, and in the absence of the ability to regulate demand, the only alternative is to regulate the supply of on chain space inorder to increase its price to the level necessary to accomplish this.

Yet we have known since Adam Smith that the hidden hand of the marketplace will ensure that the optimal solution is arrived at by letting prices find their own equilibrium. This has been more formalized in more recent times in that the price and quantity of a good will be set at the point where the demand/price curve and the supply/price curve intersect. Further still, dead losses are incurred any time production quotas are enforced. Given this, why do you assert the utility of a production quota on transaction throughput? Why not trust miners to set the tx throughput supply to maximize profit under the demand and supply curves?
3125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 03:39:23 AM
Sorry BCash shilling fucktards, but your goose is cooked. You lost. It's over. In fact, BCash never stood a chance. It was DOA.

OTOH, BCH/BTC is quite positive -- ~20% -- on the week.

Cheers!

Cheap knock-off flippening drama. Angry No wonder you're making your presence known.
Humbug.

No. Once again, I did not insert BCH into discourse. I was merely replying to Torque's objectively flawed assertion.
3126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - Hard Fork 15 May 2018 on: May 07, 2018, 03:35:28 AM
What shall I do with my Bitcoin Cash in my Trezor hardware wallet for the coming hard fork on 15th May?

Nothing.

If you control the keys (which, on a Trezor you do), your options are fully open. You don't need to make any decision until you first spend whatever coins are on addresses you hold on the 15th. This allows you to sit back and observe what happens with the fork, secure in knowing that you can pick one, the other, or both.

I rather think the 'new rules' fork chain will be near-immediately near-completely victorious. But that's just my expectation.
3127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 02:42:21 AM
Sorry BCash shilling fucktards, but your goose is cooked. You lost. It's over. In fact, BCash never stood a chance. It was DOA.

OTOH, BCH/BTC is quite positive -- ~20% -- on the week.

Cheers!
3128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 02:30:52 AM
I'm not convinced that segwit was the better choice.

I'm pert-near certain it wasn't.

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In general, doing something in a simple way is better than doing it in a complicated way.

Abso-frickin-lutely.

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But it is what we have now.

PorqueNoLosDos.png
3129  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 02:28:47 AM
It's necessary. Just a matter of when.

I'm not saying BTC doesn't need to eventually move over to larger blocks, but I support their slower, safer, forward-thinking, incremental approach to things.

I'll grant that Core's approach to scaling is slower than Cash's, but it certainly ain't safer.
3130  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2018, 10:25:21 PM
If anyone ever wants to know why I sound cynical then this is why. God it's going to be so fun to quote all those arrogant posts if new lows come.



http://sadtrombone.com/
3131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2018, 08:59:06 PM
Some interesting data on exchange revenue.

https://i.imgur.com/tXfK6In.jpg

Interesting data indeed.

Interesting fine print, too:
"* Daily revenue estimated with CoinMarketCap reported 24 hour volume and fees listed on exchanges' websites"

I wonder how they determined how much of each exchange's daily volume to associate with that exchange's fee schedule tier?
3132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - Hard Fork 15 May 2018 on: May 06, 2018, 08:46:43 PM
So you prefer to ignore the facts and look at what the "market" has to say? FYI there are many tokens with huge market caps that have no working product. For example TRON, EOS.

True. OTOH, Bitcoin Cash is working spectacularly. So this point in your rebuttal is irrelevant.

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Market capitalization does not mean much in crypto, if you are not aware of this, you are clearly a noob.

ConfusedNickYoung.png Market cap is yuuuge in crypto. For you to make such a claim is quite simply astonishing.

Sure, some tokens game the market cap figures by only making a mere fraction of the total units available on the marketplace (I'm looking at you, Ripple). But many (i.e., most significant) coins can be meaningfully evaluated by market cap.

Are you trying to tell me that if BTCs market cap was $163 Million instead of $163 Billion, that would be substantially the same situation?

Or perhaps you think some shady and nefarious entity holds another 84M BCH, just awaiting the perfect chance to release them onto the marketplace?

Or that the vast majority of BCH was not awarded 1:1 to holders of BTC?

The second point in your rebuttal is irrelevant.

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Your argument is very weak. Roger Ver is disgrace to crypto space, he has no morals, ethics and dignity. He's just a clown that will do anything for money.

Argumentum ad hominum. Besides, see the preceding post.

Whatsit's argument is very weak!? Yours is comatose.
3133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2018, 07:30:11 PM


And that's OK.

You do you, man. Ain't nobody else able to do you for you.
3134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2018, 07:28:36 PM
Doesn't anyone else think Elon Musk's twitter was hacked during that spat of them saying "Change your passwords!" due to their own breach of the database of all their 450 million user accounts?
https://cryptopotato.com/elon-musk-will-bring-humans-to-mars-and-cryptocurrencies-to-the-moon/

Why would a ceo of a billion dollar company use "u" in his tweets?

I dunno. It's plausible. He's been verifiably been otherwise acting erratically over the last week.
3135  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2018 Cryptocurrency Crash (Elliott Wave) on: May 06, 2018, 07:22:42 PM
Let me see if I understand you correctly. You seem to be indicating that -- given the data available to you today -- your best current projection for the price of one BTC come August is less than twenty-five dollars American?

It's LTC. Not BTC


Haha. So it is.
3136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: May 06, 2018, 07:18:13 PM
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lol Byteball is not a pump and dump crap
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lol Byteball this is exactly pump and dump crap. Fall -93%, from 0.38 to 0.027
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Price fluctuates so what ?
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pumpanddump.asp

Hmm. Your cite:

"What is 'Pump And Dump'
Pump and dump is a scheme that attempts to boost the price of a stock through recommendations based on false, misleading or greatly exaggerated statements. The perpetrators of this scheme, who already have an established position in the company's stock, sell their positions after the hype has led to a higher share price. This practice is illegal based on securities law and can lead to heavy fines."

Nope. Not seeing it.
3137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - Hard Fork 15 May 2018 on: May 06, 2018, 07:10:29 PM
Haha. I finally watched this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=zSbPz4g9rZQ

Think what you will about Roger Ver. But he objectively wipes the floor with Blockstream 'Chief Strategery Officer' Samson Mow in this moderated one-on-one debate on Bitcoin scaling.

Yes, this debate is the source of the widely derided 'babies are dying' quote. Which is indeed kind of cringey. But he's been consistent for nearly a decade in getting publicly weepy-emotional over the pain that bad fiscal governance causes the most vulnerable. Can't fault him for that passion. What's more: objectively, it is an arguable point.

But that aside, it is quite breathtaking how one-sided this debate was. Either Mow is a mere empty suit, or BCH is clearly superior in its scaling approach by every measure. Likely both.
3138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - Hard Fork 15 May 2018 on: May 06, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
Where can i found info about "Hard Fork 15 May 2018"??
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bitcoin+cash+hard+fork+may+15
3139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - Hard Fork 15 May 2018 on: May 06, 2018, 06:57:33 PM

Makes a compelling case. Good to see all those points on a single sheet.

But what's with the trademarking of 'off-chain' and 'Second-layer'?

Oh, hell with it - they've inspired me to claim my own (unregistered) trademark - 'Flippening before halvening[tm]' by jbreher / CC BY

3140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - Hard Fork 15 May 2018 on: May 06, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
Bcash has no intrinsc value or purpose whatsoever.

You know what's funny about your declaration? If you accept that Bitcoin Cash has no intrinsc [sic] value or purpose whatsoever, you need to also accept that Bitcoin Segwit has no intrinsic value or purpose whatsoever.

And we all know how ludicrous that assertion is.
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