Spendulus is so certain who did and who didn't do it, makes me think he should be a suspect Suspect, perhaps. But it is understandable that there will be many knowledgeable people who will not understand that it was an inside job. A good portion of the people who or are or were military personnel have been indoctrinated (brainwashed) into thinking that the U.S. can do no substantial wrong. They have to be this way because, they were and are part of the U.S, and to think that the U.S. does something substantially bad or wrong is like saying admitting that THEY are doing something substantially bad or wrong. Nobody who is a relatively honest person likes to think that he is bad or wrong. In Spendy's case, the fact that he is a thinking person, and the fact that he won't accept the idea of an inside job, and the fact that he is so adamantly opposed vocally to the inside job idea, and the fact that he is opposed to the idea without really having anything to back up the things he says when strong evidence is dumped right into his lap so to speak, DOES make him a prime suspect candidate. Personally, I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, it is because of my nature that wants to believe the best in others that I so think. The more Spendy talks, however, the more I am coming to believe that I have been duped grandly into thinking that he has good will and good faith about this whole 9/11 thing. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Isn't it really great that we have Islam and Muslims? They are so easy to blame. Who else could we use as scapegoats so easily? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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I think he is one of the lesser evils of the Republican party this year. He will run the country as a company, which is probably great for the economy and he isn't as oldfashioned and religious as certain other republicans, which I'm against.
I hope for a Trump vs Sanders general Election, I like them both, Sanders probably isn't great for the economy, but he will make the country more democratic and fight corruption. Trump will probably be great for the economy but might be bad at other stuff.
Both are much better than Hillary or Ted Cruz, which are corrupt liars and not far from psychopaths.
The idea of running the government like a company is not a bad idea. Doing this could get corruption out of the government, somewhat. This would be a good thing, because corruption helps to cause bloated government as a lot of people get into government just to skim. The problem with this idea is that most people NOT in government have been trained in the view that government is something like their king. Oh sure, they wouldn't say it like this. And many don't even recognize it in most cases. But this is the way they act in life. Just look at all the jokers in this forum that talk like there was no other way. To see the distinction between government's idea of a man/woman and the reality of man/woman, look here http://www.abodia.com/ucc/. Basically what this site shows is that the birth certificate is held by government as the man/woman until the man/woman comes and claims his/her position as man/woman. Government operates the BC as it wishes, supposedly for the benefit of the man/woman if they should happen to appear. As Abodia shows, when you appear and take up your birth certificate as your own, you get to operate it. It can be worth $billions to you, just like it is to government. And, in the way it is set up, it allows you to get the benefit you deserve without the problems of trusts or corporations or other entities that you might use to attempt to get around government stealing your money/property. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Well it is mathematically possible to show you 1+1=1.
How is that intelligent design? Did god just failed there?
If you don't have a link, it's politics. God doesn't need math to hold the universe in place. Math is a virtual language man devised for his own understanding of things. It is man's understanding that is flawed, not God's. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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I think the polytheists would disagree with you. Why do you think they're wrong and you're right? What's the science behind choosing one god over many?
Genesis 1:1 clearly states that there are multiple gods Elohim created the universe, not El or Yahweh, but Elohim (plural) Christianity has a method of changing multiplicity into unary by means of a Mystery (eg the trinity) so I don't expect logical argument about that. Sure, I understand they don't care, but I do Every other time the bible uses Elohim, it is translated as gods, not God... The bible uses the word Elohim to describe the Egyptian gods... the same word used as the creator of the universe... that's not Jehovah... not the same God Though really... none of it makes any sense, so I don't know why I'm all picky about the semantics That's because you are unwilling to accept the idea that multitudes of people, worldwide, throughout all of time from the Beginning, have understood that there is one God. Sure, they had their idols. Sure they had their "imaginary friends." But they also understood the one God Creator over all. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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The Turkish president has insulted himself more than any German could think of doing. People "flee" to America, Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand more than any other country when they can, because these countries are Common Law countries. A map of the various legal systems of the world is shown here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_Legal_systems_of_the_world_%28en%29.png. What is the benefit of a common law country? Wikipedia says, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law: Common law (also known as case law or precedent) is law developed by judges, courts, and similar tribunals, stated in decisions that nominally decide individual cases but that in addition have precedential effect on future cases. The interesting thing about common law that Wikipedia doesn't spell out clearly is, in all the common law countries the judges are not necessarily the formal magistrates that oversee a trial. Often the judges are the 12-person jury, even though they are seldomly called this. Court cases in common law lands can be "moved" by any defendant with knowledge and understanding, into a position where the formal judge (magistrate) has no authority except to referee the trial proceedings. The defendant can make the actual written law to rule, or he can let a jury make a decision, and, if he wishes, he can let the magistrate be the actual judge. Germany is a civil law country. See Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29. Essentially, a civil law country is a country where the written law dictates what the outcome of a trial may be. Because of this, virtual any person in a civil law country is truly guilt until proven innocent. The courts in a common law country are gradually moving towards a subtle form of civil law. This is because the people are less and less aware of the fact that the defendant can require that the plaintiff get on the stand and speak into the record his complaint or claim. In addition, if it is required by the defendant, the plaintiff must show and prove real harm or damage to himself or his property by the defendant before there can be any semblance of judgement against the defendant. This is why you are said to be innocent until proven guilty in a common law land. In the case of the German comedian if he were in a common law land, the plaintiff would never appear and get on the stand, and if he did, there would be no real damage or harm that he could show that was clearly attributed to the defendant. But Germany, being civil law, can judge based on whatever it wants, whatever is written in the statutes. Get yourself to a common law country. Learn how to move the court to remain in common law without the magistrate being the judge. This way you can be free until the plaintiff gets on the stand showing clear harm or damage you did to him, shown by witness and evidence as well as plaintiff speaking it into the record. Btw, in common law, if the plaintiff loses, you the defendant can require payment in amounts that he was trying to collect from you for whatever damages he was claiming that you did. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Who will start WW3? That's like asking who will vote Trump in. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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The Payza money transfer system out of Canada has some kind of close relationship with Bangladesh. Perhaps Payza is owned by wealthy government people of Bangladesh who would like to see freedom of religion stressed in Bangladesh so that they can make more money for the people of Bangladesh. After all, if you are running a country, and the country has financial greatness, your wealth goes up right along with it. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Some statements we read on the comments on this thread are stupefying.
But the most astonishing thing is that their authors claim that their beliefs are all scientifically proven.
Jonathan Swift: “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
Sometimes I don't know why I bother... I like to tell myself that someone reading it understands the conversation, even when the person I am debating clearly doesn't have a clue The reason you bother is that you don't have any real reasoning for the things that you think, and you are trying to find someone who will tell you the reason why you reject the truth. You are amazing at projecting yourself onto others... its uncanny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projectionPsychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It can take the form of blame shifting.
According to some research, the projection of one's negative qualities onto others is a common process in everyday life. If the fact is in fact a theory, then it is not known to be a fact. I am not trying to deny you the right to have fun. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Just because Jesus was an angel, doesn't mean He wasn't God as well. Consider, He was a man as well as God. Why not an angel as well?
Why stop there? Maybe Jesus was also Satan? Speaking directly about Jesus, Isaiah says in Isaiah 63:9: In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. The Angel of the Lord in the O.T. is thought to be the pre-incarnate Christ by many. See http://www.ivpress.com/title/exc/1423-8c.php. 1) Satan was an angel too B) Your link is shit... wtf is this at the bottom? Warning: include(../../_foot.php) [function.include]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /opt/www/www.ivpress.com/htdocs/title/exc/1423-8c.php on line 193
Warning: include() [function.include]: Failed opening '../../_foot.php' for inclusion (include_path='/opt/www/www.ivpress.com/htdocs/include/extlib/pear:/opt/www/www.ivpress.com/htdocs:.') in /opt/www/www.ivpress.com/htdocs/title/exc/1423-8c.php on line 193 that's a big fail, that's what that is... exactly zero legitimate sources display php errors to the general public... that's a nono You exercise a form of legalism. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Your efforts at convoluted logic still haven't answered a simple question - do you accept that by using only preferred word definitions, you can twist words to mean anything?
Your puny attempts at trying to get me to answer my way into your convoluted thinking are laughable. But since there is and has to be a place even for you and your sniveling and slimy existence, go on blundering around in your darkness. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) So, I'll take that as a "Yes", then? You accept that your use of the word "religion" in the context of atheists is inappropriate? Good. Then lets hear no more about it. Saying "Atheists are religious people" just makes you look silly. Is something available for you to take? If something is yours and you take it, you have that right, because it is your property. If something is not yours, and doesn't belong to anyone, and you desire to take it, you can take it. God left the thing open for you or anyone else to take. Take it if you wish. If something belongs to someone else and you take it without receiving permission from the owner of that property, you are a thief, even if you attempt to justify it. Since the definition of religion includes the "way" atheists are, atheism is a religion. Why is it that you don't want to hear this truth? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Again, you lend a phrase a meaning that no one else would give it. In English, the phrase "I take it" simply means "I understand that such and such is the case". So, to paraphrase in simpler terms: Is your response to my question ("do you accept that by using only preferred word definitions, you can twist words to mean anything?") "Yes", then? Since you can't seem to figure out the answer from the answer, there really is no way to answer. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Some statements we read on the comments on this thread are stupefying.
But the most astonishing thing is that their authors claim that their beliefs are all scientifically proven.
Jonathan Swift: “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
Sometimes I don't know why I bother... I like to tell myself that someone reading it understands the conversation, even when the person I am debating clearly doesn't have a clue The reason you bother is that you don't have any real reasoning for the things that you think, and you are trying to find someone who will tell you the reason why you reject the truth. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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After looking at all the somewhat offensive images here, I must inform you to understand that religion of any kind based in any view is not exactly a brainwashing tactic. In certain cases, we can consider religion or even education to be that, depending on how it is occupied to teach the culprit. We cannot focus on religion itself being a problem. We can however focus on its preachers/teachers. Just like how there are police officers out there that are abusing their power to enforce the law by enforcing false laws, there are teachers and preachers enforcing false facts/ways to handle a religion you're in/ falsely educating students.
Example of that: one girl is a Christian who believes in never hurting a person even if they hurt her in an attempt to teach people how to handle situations where you are hurt by other people.
Another girl who also just happens to be Christian thinks it's important to physically attack people if you think they have unholy demons inside of them and to throw holy water on them.
Now, which person do you actually think is mentally safe?
The problem is the bible says both good and bad things... if you let people believe it is real... and they read the wrong verses... they turn into a homicidal maniac If a person is new to being a Christian... and they don't understand that part about god telling you to murder your child for being disobedient was just a joke... that god didn't actually mean the words that he wrote... they might actually murder their kid! The people of Israel asked for a good thing. They asked for the perfect laws of God so that they would obey them, to keep the Israel community safe. God gave them the perfect laws. It wasn't a joke. If the child was rebellious, and wouldn't adhere to his parents' right training, the execution was essentially a suicide. This was a Jewish law. It doesn't have anything to do with Christians except for understanding and training in righteousness. Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head. If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. It's a dangerous book to leave laying around where people might read it Of course, since you would rather have the evil remain among us, simply by promoting it if nothing else, no wonder you are having such a difficult life within yourself. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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I don't really have any issues with Christianity. The only time I have ever made any substantial statements regarding religion of any kind is when it actually has the potential to physically harm somebody. This one time, I read about an assault that had to do with a Christian attacking an atheist because they openly said they were atheist. Nothing else. They didn't harm them, nothing.
There have been 6 Atheists murdered with machetes in Bangladesh within the past year... The media doesn't report Atheists being murdered in foreign countries... nor do they report about countries murdering people for being homosexual The media only reports when ISIS is beheading "Christians"... if ISIS beheads an Atheist or a homosexual... nobody cares Atheists should stand up for their religion, just like people of other religions stand up for theirs. They have been... the ones standing up for Atheism are the ones being murdered You should feel ashamed for being an asshole about people being murdered for their "religious" beliefs... seriously dude... have some shame Thank you for accepting that atheism is a religion. It is about time that somebody else acknowledges this. Btw, I was agreeing with the atheism tragedy as a tragedy. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Just because Jesus was an angel, doesn't mean He wasn't God as well. Consider, He was a man as well as God. Why not an angel as well?
Why stop there? Maybe Jesus was also Satan? Speaking directly about Jesus, Isaiah says in Isaiah 63:9: In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. The Angel of the Lord in the O.T. is thought to be the pre-incarnate Christ by many. See http://www.ivpress.com/title/exc/1423-8c.php. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Back 4500 years ago, multitudes of people lived to be 400 to 500 years ago. Nobody can refute this.
Still making us laugh... thanks Ecclesiastes 7:6: Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools. This too is meaningless. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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I don't really have any issues with Christianity. The only time I have ever made any substantial statements regarding religion of any kind is when it actually has the potential to physically harm somebody. This one time, I read about an assault that had to do with a Christian attacking an atheist because they openly said they were atheist. Nothing else. They didn't harm them, nothing.
There have been 6 Atheists murdered with machetes in Bangladesh within the past year... The media doesn't report Atheists being murdered in foreign countries... nor do they report about countries murdering people for being homosexual The media only reports when ISIS is beheading "Christians"... if ISIS beheads an Atheist or a homosexual... nobody cares Atheists should stand up for their religion, just like people of other religions stand up for theirs. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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I don't really have any issues with Christianity. The only time I have ever made any substantial statements regarding religion of any kind is when it actually has the potential to physically harm somebody. This one time, I read about an assault that had to do with a Christian attacking an atheist because they openly said they were atheist. Nothing else. They didn't harm them, nothing.
People are people. Christians are simply people who have a certain knowledge and understanding. This doesn't mean that they are always good and wise. But you have to take people on a person-by-person basis, because none of us/them are the same. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Quote from: -XXIII- on February 23, 2016, 07:17:03 AM ... You misunderstand: God created the angels, Jesus was one of them, he sent Jesus to Earth, we crucified him.
I think if Jesus was just an angel, then why Crhistian pray to him and make him as a God? why don't they just pray to the God? why should be there the third people? God can listen your praying, right? that's one thing I don't really understand about Christian's thoughts. Just because Jesus was an angel, doesn't mean He wasn't God as well. Consider, He was a man as well as God. Why not an angel as well? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Have to call bs on that one. back in the days when Jesus was supposed to live lifespan was much shorter than today, so 50 years back in the days are around 200 yeas in your reality. Take an example. Elvis dies in 76, around 40 yeas ago. If you want to find out what Elvises favorite food was you get loads of different results. After only 40 years no one know what Elvises favorite food was. many don't believe that Elvis died. If they start a cult we get a religion. The Dead Sea Scrolls proves nothing.
People have always lived a variety of ages. Right now you can find people who live to more than a hundred. And you can find people who live only to 35 or 40. Back 4500 years ago, multitudes of people lived to be 400 to 500 years ago. Nobody can refute this. The Bible is witness to it. Neanderthal man lived back then, and is simply an example of people living to 400 or 500 years old. Youtube search on "Dr. Don Patton" and watch some of his videos to see how modern archaeological scientists misdate archaeological history. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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