This leaves a higher ratio of negativity here then what really exists out there.
Respectfully, I would direct you towards the official Butterfly Labs forums to see similar ratios of negativity.
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Wow! Thats a lot of solder balls per chip. Is this amount of connections normally soldered reliably in manufacturing?
Yeah, that density is nucking futs. Raises a red flag. Armchair Engineers Guilty. Doesn't mean I'm not going to call out a red flag when I see something that seems off. The KNC folk are ambitious people. Lets hope all their hard work pays off when these chips become a reality.
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How did you end up with a 50GH when they haven't finished shipping 60GH ones yet?
did u readed whats this topic all abt ? please dont post offtopic It's a fair question and relevant to the present topic. Did you perhaps mean your ~60GH machine instead ?
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Wow! Thats a lot of solder balls per chip. Is this amount of connections normally soldered reliably in manufacturing?
Yeah, that density is nucking futs. Raises a red flag.
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over 9000
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHCvGLzN.jpg&t=663&c=QbPoB3sBD7htvg) PS: Totally jealous. I'm guessing you do indeed have over 9000 BTC :|
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Unless Bitcoin-Jesus himself comes down from heaven and blesses us with 5 stacks of Nephalem Valor tomorrow, this is going to end up one really crappy week in the mines... *grumbles* Height | Duration | Work | | 247344 | 14h 16m | 119,311,508 | 247444 | 9h 03m | 73,642,130 | 247593 | 15h 16m | 123,795,889 | 247010 | 14h 17m | 108,509,539 | 246907 | 1d 2h 01m | 172,017,572 |
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Good luck with this project ! Really looking forward to seeing it become a reality and purchasing them in November once they become available.
-Mr. Burnt-Out-On-Pre-Orders
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Q: "Should I buy more ?" A: "No."
Reason? Is mining dead unless you can be king of the hill in hardware? For $1,000 I could get 35-40 Gh/s. But may take 4-6 months to get... 1) It could be argued America's Favorite Bitcoin ASIC Company does not deserve the support of this community. 2) Do you believe they are going to get through the last twelve months of order backlog in the next 60 days according to their announced intentions ? 3) Does their pattern of behavior over the last thirteen months inspire confidence in their enterprise ? 4) Has their shipping/production schedule since April 1st, 2013 inspired confidence in their enterprise ? 5) Evidence suggests 4-6 months from now, the mining landscape will have second gen ASIC's available for purchase, while America's Favorite Bitcoin ASIC Company will presumably be still struggling to ship out their first gen orders. 6) Mining is quickly becoming a game of diminishing returns.
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Q: "Should I buy more ?" A: "No."
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Please show the laws or case studies that indicate it is a breach of contract for a company to cancel your order and refund your money.
IANAL. Can't answer that question for you. However, I have to trust that my extremely knowledgeable (and justifiably expensive) council knows what they are talking about and how they are advising me.
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You could really benefit from some positive customer service skills.
They evidently don't care - seemingly live in their own arrogant reality distortion bubble where they can do no wrong, we should not complain about their "mistakes", and their customers are yapping animals who have the honor and privilege of being allowed to purchase their fine, American-made Bitcoin products. If they fire and refund you, whereby breaching your contract with them to receive product you have paid for, they will threaten to countersue you for slander and defamation should you start legal proceedings. Even if you have a defensible case and can rebut your "slander and defamation" systematically with facts and evidence to support your statements. In my opinion, such enterprises should not be rewarded with customer patronage on basic principle. Life is just too short. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and it would appear we are watching such a scenario play out with America's favorite Bitcoin company on both these forums and their own, with certain personalities running amok and unchecked.
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And this is the sad state of society. Left in a land devoid of honesty and trust, lied to over and over, one loses the sense of what intentions are. Seeing them as just another way to lie and deceive.. For you, nothing but concrete terms matter. Why even bother until you can press ship me now? Go to ASICminer and pay the premium to not swim in these waters
My acrimonious dealings with Butterfly Labs have completely turned me off of pre-ordering products in Bitcoin space entirely. It's worth it to me to pay the premium to have ASICMiner products in-hand in a reasonable time-frame, rather than placing pre-orders for cheaper products and be at the mercy of whatever developer shenanigans they decide to pull on their patient customers during the development process. I'm sincerely wishing KNC, BitFury, and the others good luck with their projects, and hoping their delivery issues won't be as bad as Butterfly Labs' or Avalons. It would be wonderful for Bitcoin miners to be able to go to any of the vendors' websites and have product shipped out within 72 hours, but I really don't see that happening before the New Year with anyone other than ASICMiner.
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The good thing is, you can use them as paperweights WHILE they're still hashing.
Not if they set your paper on fire. I was looking to make a similar comment. You beat me to the punch ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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This doesn't make any sense to me. If I had a KNCMiner order, and hoped to receive it on schedule, I would be concerned right now.
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Oh now it begins to get interesting.
I am cheering on all those vested in DIY projects that your chips arrive soon and are quickly married to boards. The game is on.
I can almost taste my K16's... It's been absolutely incredible and inspiring watching community projects develop around the Avalon chips so far.
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batch1 preorder has been sold out.
Wow, don't think I ever saw Batch 1 availability on the forums for the Colorbit units. Guess I missed something ?
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Chips incoming.
Are you saying we'll be able to start throwing money at Gridchip's 40nm ASIC soon ? Or are you referring to the Avalon 110nm chips being imminently available ?
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I completely agree that anyone is welcome to waste the FTCs time with this nonsense.
Your opinion. I'm just getting a little sick of everyone and their dog playing lawyer and trying to apply random regulations to things that they don't actually apply to.
I hope you can appreciate there are some that are sick of production problems over the last 300+ some-odd days that have created the current acrimonious environment.
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