my oppinion was clearly no bearmarket but -> support loss spiral
And that's not even an opinion. I'm not going to disagree on the "death spiral" part, but bitcoin not being in a bear market is just factually wrong. Check my previous reply, in case you didn't notice it or if you purposely ignored it: Before making such claims that the markets aren't in a "bear martket", probably take a few minutes to search on what a bear market actually is. It just shows how unwilling you are to double check or verify your "facts". "a market in which securities or commodities are persistently declining in value" - Merriam-Webster[1] So whatever the reason is on why bitcoin is dropping in price, may it be because of the "bitcoin founders"(whoever you're referring to) pumping the price, may it be because of Putin, may it be because of aliens or something, bitcoin is in a bear market. And that is a FACT. Also, in behalf of the level-headed people here on bitcointalk, stop it with your baseless conspiracy theories. Thanks
[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bear%20marketthat is all with the assumption that you are a legitimate institution in a static market and not a group that executed a stealthy attentionhack. from that perspective the "bear market" part is questionable. as the support for that hack will diminish. but we dont have to be in a conflict here we will see anyway. |
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nobody is forcing your to continue buying and using bitcoin. sell your bitcoins, stop and get out and log out of here too.... oh wait, you won't  i dont think vitalik needs more money, his is already billionaire. i am fixing the negative consequences of the attention hack you did for me personally and shifting them towards my interests. |
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Could scarcity be eliminated in the future? With genetic bio-technology I see no reason why it couldn't be solved.
nope because people will always desire the rare things |
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So Vitalik believes proof of stake>proof of work. So what? While I entirely disagree, it's a hugely debatable topic. As for your opinions though? That's something else. my oppinion was clearly no bearmarket but -> support loss spiral |
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I am a little bit confused about what his say because although we are in the bear market, the price does not stay at the lower price but the price still moving up and down and I don't think that the price will be sideways in one level price. I won't say it's bear or bull, but I'd better say that the market is making good progress and the best news is the market still alive, and it shows by the changing of the price in many times.
well to me this forum feels today quite different to the past, once it was a hey look we made money bring your savings and buy it towards how the hell can we survive. |
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If trump wins his war with the federal reserve,
we will see:
1.Trust and Confidence in usdollar outside of us crashing
2. usa becomming a communist country.
3. rest of world starts to immitate trumps attack on central banks
4. conflicts between governments population and central banks globally,
5. trust loss of banking cartels.
6. rise of communism globally.
regards
How exactly does this topic relate with Communism in your opinion? americans will become communists, what else? why should world continue to accept their neverending foreign trade deficit? the chinese are getting tired of that the russians are getting tired of that. etc Oh I see. The USA is the only one with debts... lol. Most Americans would rather leave this nation a pile of rubble than let it become Communist. You have fun with your fantasy though. they will become communists, without realising it.... |
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one of the downsides of bitcoin communities have always been the fact that there will be a lot of kids in it who don't understand anything about the market but insist on participating in it. some of them choose the route of nonsense spreading because they think if they do that they can make money by shorting bitcoin or maybe buy more of it when it drops more.
based on what i have seen this type of people is contributing to volatility, not by their nonsense but by their late FOMO purchases and panic sells that feeds the whales.
well you have created a currency whos value is completely just based on the attention it has (attention hack) this way you are forced to live with the negative consequences |
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Bitcoin price now (December 2018) is: $3,742 Jan 2011: 0.30$ Jan 2012: 4.99$ Jan 2013: 14.00$ Jan 2014: 747.00$ Jan 2015: 317.00$ Jan 2016: 432.00$ Jan 2017: 998.00$ Jan 2018: 14,166$ Jan 2019:  The stat says we are having steady progress. well first time there was a collapse in price. bitcoins growth story obviously ended. i think this is a support loss spiral, entire world wants to create money and find idiots doing something for it. not just nakamoto, and these forum members here. |
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Back to April 2018 BTC dumped from 10k$ to 6500$,some ALT coin like ETH dumped to 180$ after 3 - 4 month since ETH jumped from 500$ to 999$ and than
In DEC 2018 BTC dumped to 3100$ and pumped to 4180$ for a few day BUT that was only a bubble Same story in April
Dump Trend Started and BTC will be stable about 2300$ only a few week to 2300$.
Yes, I also have the same thoughts as you, because I think Bitcoin hasn't shown signs of continuing to increase, maybe now the price of Bitcoin will stabilize at $ 3000 or even decrease to $ 2300 before prices rise back to $ 10000 in mid-2019 and that is our hope. bitcoin cant stabilise its in survival mode, it either goes up, or stagnates (investors losing confidence) and then crashes. |
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Finde es persönlich sehr wichtig, gerade Neuankömmlingen eine möglichst objektive Sicht zu präsentieren. Freue mich über jeden Beitrag oder Meinung falls du Zeit und Lust hast!
gründe für nicht blase (kern der legitimität und sozialer unterstüzung): probleme der communalen,nationalistischen,völkisch rassistischen, nationalsozialistischen finanzsysteme -> verursachen riesige unsicherheit in der wirtschaft bei den privaten unternehmern, die banken laden alle risiken (auseinandersetzung mit dem unbekannten) auf die privaten unternehmer ab, und hakken dann auf diesen rum wenn sie nicht erfolgreich waren hinzu kommt hier noch -> rasterisierung der welt in nationale, communale, völkische bankekartelle bei viel migration ensteht eine entfremdung von bevölkerung und den banken gründe für blase: index mafia und das festhalten an den first move coin/dynastien da versuchen doch die techcoder, ihre dynastien (roger ver, charles hopking cardano, zcash) über den köpfen der menscheit zu erschaffen. das ist aber capitalismus für nen markt nicht für ne civilisation du solltest diese punkte intensiv ausforschen und ausarbeiten für dein "buch" nach meiner einschätzung wird der zusammenbruch der blase aus dem zweiten grund kommen, wegen dem ersten grund jedoch werden cryptowährungen jedoch bleiben, und auf communaler ebene erst mal sich im kleinen maßstab stabilisieren Vielen Dank für deinen Post. Was genau definierst du denn als Blase? Für mich sind auch die eindeutige Mehrzahl der ICOs schlichtweg unnötig und werden mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit scheitern, aber es gibt ja auch wirklich viele positive usecases und Grundgedanken. Auch wenn es preislich z.B. für Bitcoin vielleicht kein Rekordjahr war, finde ich die generelle Entwicklung (technisch wie auch insgesamt) absolut überzeugend. technisch bitcoin? ne bitcoin ist technisch veralteter schrott, ein 0815 waves plattform token ist schneller und ressourcenschonender. zu transferieren, hinzu ist das netzwerk noch sicherer vor den 50% attacks. hinzu kommen noch die massiv niedrigeren transaktionskosten bitcoins höherer wert kommt hier rein vom attentionhack und der priviligierten behandlung durch die indexmafia. das problem mit den icos ist das sie zu verschieden sind, die müssten standardisiert sein, ich versuche das ja als vorbild zu machen mit einer "engineering foundation" (z.d. technisches fundament) so ne art technisierte investitions bank ohne communistische, rassitische oder nationalistische rasterisierung, wie das die gegenwärtigen banken mit ihren schwulen tratschtanen in der welt tun. so könnte dann durchaus ein funktionales standardisiertes und übersichtliches finanzsystem entstehen. die definition der blase? die unnachaltige tragfähigkeit vom markt. bitcoins langfristige tragfähigkeit durch den markt hat durchaus schwächen. die vorherschafft und akzeptanz der indexmafia (mit wurzeln in disem forum) könnte durchaus zu fall kommen durch kommunisten oder naitonalisten. also auch ein grund für mangelnde nachhaltigkeit. |
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Hi KingScorpio,
What you are essentially saying is that bitcoin is in some sort of chain system of liquidity loss. I won't disagree with you but what I will disagree with you in the method you have mentioned. Bitcoin is not well established as a currency worldwide. People really can't pay their bills using bitcoins. We certainly have some exception countries like Japan and Germany but largely, bitcoin is an investment asset to many of us. These investors don't easily sell their currencies instead they hold it up to their coffers blocking the circulation.
Death spiral happens only when we have a lot of circulation going around between the believers and non-believers. That's not the case for bitcoin for sure. People sell their bitcoin to unlock its value and to be able to use it with their eco-system. But you need to understand that as we have sellers available in the market, we also have buyers in there.
The decreasing value of bitcoin is certainly a point to worry but it's not that simple to understand the nitty-gritties of what is happening in the background when we have a lot of buyers willing to buy it from those who are willing to sell it. I am sure, we need to see bitcoin as a currency instead of an investment here! Regulation and confusing legal status is effectively blocking that aspect and we are not seeing the circulation that we need to see for bitcoin to grow. Support loss spiral is not the single reason why bitcoin price is going down. It's more for us to fathom the reason!
jes well you are optimistic, i think since half a year that this is a support loss spiral, and i dont think it will anytime end. you were to greedy folks you didnt introduced bitcoin with a fixed price, you sacrificed it to the speculants in the market, which ultimately wrecked the image, as it drained out all potential support. its now becomming some kind of questionable digital gem. there is still a way for cryptoindustry but not this way. |
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Although the bible says we are made in God's image which literally means we share some of God's unique qualities like love, justice, wisdom and power but we are in no way created to a God because we are created with limitations and will always be dependent on God for guidance and direction.
Even when Emperor Mieji, Hirohito's grandfather in 1867 granted a constitution to his subject that stipulated that the emperor was " sacred and inviolable" yet, surprisingly to many Hirohito did not believe in his own divinity and never see himself as a god. The people generally believed that he was a god who possessed miraculous power that is why the wars Japan fought in the 20th century were waged in the emperor's name. but he had limitations and even said most of the wars fought were against his will but has to consent to his ministers showing that even if he is the king he does not have absolute power.
all of this points to the fact that human divinity is almost impossible.
absolute divinity also contains in my oppinion the irrelavance of the time dimension since humans are no four dimensional beings, we can clearly say that humans are limited. but some think that these limitations are natural and humans have to fight for survival. |
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Nachdem die ihren Premine "bitcoin sv" vertickt haben kommen ver, wright und nakamoto nochmal zu euch und verticken euch bitcoin sv gold, (hardfork von bitcoin sv) und dann nochmal ne hardfork von bitcoin sv)
"bitcoin sv cash"
die werden immer so weitermachen die dummen trottel spekulanten mit dem aus dem nichts gemachten schrott zu versorgen bis diese kein funkionales geld haben weil sie alles verzockt haben beim zocken gegeneinander. in diesem sehr unbescheidenen casino (cryptomarkt)
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keep telling yourself that what you are to young to understand is that your spams on bitcointalk don't make a thing in the market at all. and yet you continue to tire your fingers spamming the same nonsense here every day well i was right months ago. but i understand you, you are basically some kind of goebbels of bitcoin propaganda ministery . i keep with my thesis you have now wasted all potential support you once had. it now out. you are not going to be the worlds monopolistic future currency like you wanted all to believe. |
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the bitcoin founders in their unlimited greed tried to push the price as high as possible, but ultimately wasted, aquired all possible support they were able to obtain.
There is only one name associated with the creation of bitcoin and that is, Satoshi Nakamoto. And he has never been identified. He reputedly own a lot of bitcoins and could manipulate the value, but it is very unlikely that happened. The bear market is used in relation with previous peak. It may have been unsustainable at that time, but the asset has shown the ability to climb to such highs. And it's now down about 79% they shifted from introducing a monetary system towards max profit marketed "their money" that was quite bad idea, now they have basically swallowed all ressources or all potential supporters and paid their electricity bills and lambos with that money. it was in the end just a shift of purchasing power. |
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for all outsiders that enter this,
you have to understand that the current claim that bitcoin suffers from a "bear market" is absolutely wrong.
the bitcoin founders in their unlimited greed tried to push the price as high as possible, but ultimately wasted, aquired all possible support they were able to obtain.
without potential new kapital to attract they are now in a stuck situation, as they cant attract new capital anymore to push the value of their beloved "bitcoin"
this stagnation combined with the automatic liquidity loss (miner electricity and infrastructure bill) leads to a slow drain out of capital for bitcoin.
but thats not all, they also are trapped in a death spiral, as people that use bitcoin as a currency, will pay it to someone who doesnt share their "investor confidence"
through the existing deathspiral the bitcoin "earners" then sell their bitcoin in the market again which leads to a continueing collapse in value.
the whole story about "bear market" is just wishthinking or worse deliberate satisfaction, or moral stabilisation procedures to keep intact their "community".
from a socioeconomic perspective of bitcoins situation
according to logic, you are never in a bearmarket, but in reality in a support loss spiral
regards
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It's bound to happen given that the blow on the cryptomarket is insanely harsh.
I believe that it would have been the better decision for Bitmain not to have made the attack on Bitcoin through the hard fork, and the creation of Bitcoin Cash. It costed them dearly. Plus the "harsh" market would have impacted them less if they held everything they had in Bitcoin. pah pointless speculations, they did what they perceived profitable you cant blame them just because you are a bitcoin maximalist. You evidently did not do your research about Bitmain's IPO story. I suggest you use your internet connection properly and read about it. I will not waste my time talking to you.
their pump of bitcoin cash from 77 usd to 200 usd from 16-21 in december in order to save it was however a fatal mistake
No. Bitmain's "fatal mistake" was attacking Bitcoin. nope bitcoin would have been attacked anyway, they just did what is best for their profits, and you cant blame dame for doing a wrong decision. you "bitcoinmaximalist" |
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