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3181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: russia to be free of sodomites, shuts down perverted anal sex activist rally on: June 01, 2015, 08:43:52 PM
Is this a poor attempt at humour? You say sexuality is a private matter, but the reason there are gay protests in Russia is because the state is making that sexuality a public matter, and discriminating against peoples' sexuality. They're not doing it to "proclaim their sexuality", they're doing it because they believe sexuality is a private matter that the state shouldn't get involved with.

As far as I know, the Russian government is not installing spy cameras in anyone's bedroom. If you travel to Russia with your partner, you will be able to enjoy gay sex without any adverse reaction from the Russian police. However, Russia has made it illegal to spread gay propaganda to minors. I believe it does not transgress anyone's human rights. If some gay pedophile want to molest a boy, then rather than traveling to Russia, he can travel to England or some other country where it is more socially acceptable.

There are no heterosexual rallies because the state/society has no problem with heterosexual relationships.

In countries such as England, heterosexuals are discriminated against. So should they take out rallies proclaiming their sexuality?


First, the suppression of speech does transgress human rights. Second, the not-even-thinly-veiled attempt at slandering all homosexuals as gay pedophiles reveals you as yet another hate-filled homophobe.
3182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 01, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
When you post garabage about your common law fantasy, you look even sillier than when you're trying to keep all your religious nonsense straight.

Is this related to that "Freeman on the Land" garbage I've seen when people make complete fools of themselves in court and post it on YouTube as a win?

Possibly. BADecker is on some thing about how all you have to do is challenge the jurisdiction of the court by telling them to define certain magic words and then you COMMON LAW VICTORY WIN or something wholly ridiculous. (While I am intentionally making it sound dumb, ask him for the official logic of it, and then you'll see my intentional misrepresentation isn't actually more absurd, and has the added benefit of humor, whereas the people who believe they have discovered a magic 'get out of jail free card' are entirely serious.)
3183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 01, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
When you post garabage about your common law fantasy, you look even sillier than when you're trying to keep all your religious nonsense straight.
3184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic State: How it is run on: June 01, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?
Israel will be the ultimate target.
They will aim to establish a Caliphate in other regions, at first. A lot of people in the Middle East have been drawn to their ideology.

Israel is one of the most trusted allies of ISIS. The Israelis even bombed Syrian Army targets in 2014, so that the ISIS could occupy Eastern Golan. Just check the Israeli media sources such as Ynet News and Jerusalem Post. Check the comments in any of the Syria-related topics. 90% of the Israelis support the ISIS, in its fight against Assad.

And the Americans supported Bin Laden in the 80's against the Soviets, etc. etc. These short-sighted objectives always have a way of biting you in the ass. I'm for the school of thought that holds to not arming violent groups of people in the first place. I don't know that Israel is doing that for certain, but I know the US still is. Very recent history has shown this to be a big mistake, but we never learn from it.
3185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Justice Department Studying ‘Far-Right’ Social Media Use on: June 01, 2015, 07:20:18 PM
The Justice Department’s National Institute of Justice (NIJ) awarded Michigan State University $585,719 for the study, which was praised by Eric Holder, the former attorney general, earlier this year.

Wonderful news! I just hope that idiots like Eric Holder will continue to waste valuable tax payer money like this. As a result, the Americans will run out of money to sponsor their war machine.  Grin This will save the lives of millions of innocent people, including women and children, who would otherwise die in American airstrikes.

The US has been 'out of money' since 1835. Hasn't stopped the war machine.
3186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic State: How it is run on: June 01, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
It raised the question of how much is known about the structure of an organisation that rapidly overran large parts of Syria and Iraq last year, and has been able to hold onto much of that territory despite months of air strikes by a US-led coalition.

Anyone with a minimum IQ would be able to answer that question. The ISIS has managed to expand, as their recruitment rate outperforms their casualty / death rate. For every 10 ISIS terrorists killed by the Syrian Army and the NATO airstrikes, 100 more join the organization, traveling through Turkey from Europe and the Middle East.

'ISIS expands as recruitment rate outperforms casualty rate.' Somehow I think they're looking for a little more than such a superficial and obvious explanation. And I highly doubt their recruitment:attrition ratio is 10:1.
3187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russia said abandoning Assad as Syria regime collapses further on: May 31, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
Disinformation.

Assad is not going anytime soon without western military intervention.

Between the infighting between Al-Nusra and ISIS assad's military are making gains.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940310000594

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940310000529

Disinformation? As in you are claiming these things are not happening? Or you are just drawing conclusions based on the information presented and disagreeing with those? Because the things you posted don't seem to counter the OP, just spin it a different way.
3188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: May 31, 2015, 08:15:42 PM
Religious activities depend HUGELY on the INTERPRETATION of the reader. So, Islam or Christianity or Buddhism teach whatever you interpret out of the words.
Well that's the very core of the problem. People interpret it into whatever suits them at any given time and claim they are just following their book.
In other words, people can do what the hell they like and push the responsibility off themselves.

Dangerous.



Here's a problem with this point of view.  If  you assert that "Islam can't HATE" then "Islam can't LOVE."  Because only people can do those things, right?

Well, then, Mein Kampf is neither good nor bad.

Written directives of ISIS telling it's soldiers to do atrocities are neither good or bad.


I don't follow how the first example proves the second and third examples impossible. If we assert Islam can't love or hate because it is inanimate and those are emotions people have, that has no bearing on a value judgement of written works. The analogy is not analogous.
Why?  The others are all inanimate objects, too.  That is my very point.



Because love and hate are verbs, and good and bad are adjectives. It's not an analogy because good and bad are judgments, not actions. The first example doesn't relate to the second because the first example you're saying 'Islam can't do these things, therefore Mein Kampf can't be these things.' It doesn't follow.
3189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Silk Road Operator Ross Ulbricht to Be Sentenced Today on: May 31, 2015, 08:00:08 PM
That's why the attempted murder charge is important to me. Even if we could all agree that in a "free society" none of his drug dealing and money laundering actions should be illegal, there is nothing that can justify murder.

"Even if we could all agree" that "there is nothing that can can justify murder" ("murder" being an unfortunately malleable concept), that's irrelevant. The multiple life sentences he was given have nothing to do with the attempted murder charge. There were seven charges behind this excessive sentencing, none of which are for crimes with direct victims, unlike (attempted) murder. And convicted murderers can do less time, so even if the attempted murder charge was somehow relevant, it still does not justify Ulbricht's sentencing.

Three charges were for crimes related to the "war on drugs" which was a failure from the very moment it was conceived, one is merely "you're a bad guy according to us," one is ridiculous starting with the very title of it (ooooh, computer "hacking"), and two are about government control over citizens (regarding money and identity documentation).

The charges were:

  • Distribution/Aiding and Abetting the Distribution of Narcotics
  • Distribution/Aiding and Abetting the Distribution of Narcotics by Means of the Internet
  • Conspiracy to Distribute Narcotics
  • Continuing Criminal Enterprise
  • Conspiracy to Commit or Aid and Abet Computer Hacking
  • Conspiracy to Traffic in Fraudulent Identity Documents
  • Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering

See: Reference
Also see: 8th Amendment to the US Constitution

I'm not talking about his sentence in regards to the attempted murder charge (which he has yet to be sentenced for in Maryland), but the idea that he is a sympathetic hero and the unfortunate victim of an out of control government. His attempted murder charge completely contradicts the martyr status people here are trying to thrust upon him. He's not a hero, he's a hypocrite who sold out his non-violent ideology when he solicited the murder of several individuals. My entire point has been he is not the rallying cry some in this thread want him to be, because he sought to use violence against people who were inconvenient to him; not that his prison sentences for 'non-violent' crimes are appropriate because he solicited murder.

For context, here are my previous short posts:

Life in prison without parole.  He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story.  Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

I don't particularly care about Silk Road as a black market. The money laundering is a larger issue, but even this one I can get past. But the murder for hire charge is where I draw the line. I would like to see him serve an appropriately long prison term for attempted murder. It's not excusable.

Edit: I see now they never ended up charging him with the attempted murder charge.


Life in prison without parole.  He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story.  Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

I don't particularly care about Silk Road as a black market. The money laundering is a larger issue, but even this one I can get past. But the murder for hire charge is where I draw the line. I would like to see him serve an appropriately long prison term for attempted murder. It's not excusable.

Edit: I see now they never ended up charging him with the attempted murder charge.

He still has to face this charge in Maryland. Even if he wins on appeal a reduced sentence, he may get added time for the Maryland charge. He is pretty much going to be stuck behind bars for life.

I thought I had read somewhere that he was charged with attempted murder, so the information in this article wasn't gelling with that. Thanks for reconciling it. It's a serious charge, and one that can't be excused with the community's rush to turn him into a martyr. Pick better heroes, because this guy is not a rallying cry.

His attempted murder charge remains wholly relevant.
3190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: May 31, 2015, 03:02:01 AM
Religious activities depend HUGELY on the INTERPRETATION of the reader. So, Islam or Christianity or Buddhism teach whatever you interpret out of the words.
Well that's the very core of the problem. People interpret it into whatever suits them at any given time and claim they are just following their book.
In other words, people can do what the hell they like and push the responsibility off themselves.

Dangerous.



Here's a problem with this point of view.  If  you assert that "Islam can't HATE" then "Islam can't LOVE."  Because only people can do those things, right?

Well, then, Mein Kampf is neither good nor bad.

Written directives of ISIS telling it's soldiers to do atrocities are neither good or bad.


I don't follow how the first example proves the second and third examples impossible. If we assert Islam can't love or hate because it is inanimate and those are emotions people have, that has no bearing on a value judgement of written works. The analogy is not analogous.
3191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu demands ‘up to $45 bn’ in US military aid on: May 31, 2015, 02:58:08 AM
lol talk about scaremongering, Israel could turn the entire Middle East to dust if they so wished. There is absolutely no risk of Israel being destroyed, anyone who believes that is just pandering to the Zionist fear factory.

Even if the the US did stop providing military aid (which I doubt will ever happen), there is still no Muslim nation that can match Israel's military capability.

Have you seen how tiny Israel is in a geographic map of the middle east? Yes they are mighty now, but if god forbid ISIS took over the whole Arab world and one day marched a million soldiers towards Jerusalem, no amount of weaponry is going to save them. Yes they might be able to nuke their enemies but will just kill themselves in the process.

The reason Israel maintains a strong military is BECAUSE they are outnumbered by a huge margin, 8 million Israelis v.s 365 million Arabs, it is staggering...

anyone who believes that is just pandering to the Zionist fear factory.


I think the only ones living in irrational fear are people who thinks a nation the size of Rhode Island is the world's number 1 threat.

Assuming every Arab is an enemy of Israel and out for its destruction is not an honest depiction of the situation. ISIS isn't capable of amassing a million fighters. When there were entire nations that wanted to destroy Israel (and tried) they weren't able to amass a million soldiers.
3192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Silk Road Operator Ross Ulbricht to Be Sentenced Today on: May 31, 2015, 02:46:16 AM
Life in prison without parole.  He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story.  Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?
Isn't he same thing?

However in few years, when they legalize half of the stuff that was available on Silk Road, his punishment will become even more ridiculous, not to mention false laws at the first place. We're not living in the free world, we're living in fucking Matrix, I feel real sorry for him.

That's why the attempted murder charge is important to me. Even if we could all agree that in a "free society" none of his drug dealing and money laundering actions should be illegal, there is nothing that can justify murder.
3193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Silk Road Operator Ross Ulbricht to Be Sentenced Today on: May 30, 2015, 04:29:04 PM
Life in prison without parole.  He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story.  Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

I don't particularly care about Silk Road as a black market. The money laundering is a larger issue, but even this one I can get past. But the murder for hire charge is where I draw the line. I would like to see him serve an appropriately long prison term for attempted murder. It's not excusable.

Edit: I see now they never ended up charging him with the attempted murder charge.

He still has to face this charge in Maryland. Even if he wins on appeal a reduced sentence, he may get added time for the Maryland charge. He is pretty much going to be stuck behind bars for life.

I thought I had read somewhere that he was charged with attempted murder, so the information in this article wasn't gelling with that. Thanks for reconciling it. It's a serious charge, and one that can't be excused with the community's rush to turn him into a martyr. Pick better heroes, because this guy is not a rallying cry.
3194  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Silk Road Operator Ross Ulbricht to Be Sentenced Today on: May 30, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Life in prison without parole.  He'll never set foot outside of prison again for the rest of his life.

I wonder if this will deter other scammers, or do most people think they will never be caught, like he did?

I'm sorry, I am not up to date on this story.  Did he scam people or did he just operate silk road?

I don't particularly care about Silk Road as a black market. The money laundering is a larger issue, but even this one I can get past. But the murder for hire charge is where I draw the line. I would like to see him serve an appropriately long prison term for attempted murder. It's not excusable.

Edit: I see now they never ended up charging him with the attempted murder charge.
3195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu demands ‘up to $45 bn’ in US military aid on: May 30, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
As long as the Jewish voting bloc remains stong in the United States, the Israelis will continue to leach off their  American allies. Although they are just 2% of the population, the Jewish vote is very crucial in swing states such as Florida. That said, the $4.5 billion aid mentioned here amounts to less than 1% of the American defence budget, which is hovering at $600 billion per year.

Of course it's not insignificant where the "aid" money is going, but I can't help seeing this as more of a subsidy for US weapons manufacturers, than anything else - as the article puts it, the majority of that money, 70%, is to be spent buying US military hardware. And it should go without saying that, this is a great incentive for other countries in the region to also spend more of their money on (likely American) military hardware, generating even more profit.

Exactly, Jews don't control squat in America compared to the military-industrial complex. The MIC runs the show. War is a profitable business, and business is booming (pun intended, not ashamed).
3196  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: May 30, 2015, 01:20:13 PM
Too many words to read from beginning, but the title took my attention.

"Why do islam hates people? "

Why is that?

Who said islam hates people?  People hates people!

Sorry if you all answer this and I come late, but I do not get why people are always generalised.

Christianity does not hates people?

How many there are victims killed and tortured by Christians in last 1K years just because they were different religion, skin colour or beliefs.

And again, that has nothing to do with Christianity itself but with the people on leading positions, who interpret the holy books in a way that they like.




This thread was created as a 'mirror' to that one:

why people hate islam:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776096.0


If you want to know what the point was all about read post #2

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg9799830#msg9799830


 Cool





Yes, it's just evolved into 88 pages of FUN because internet.
3197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 30, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
-snip-
Yes, his actions are good and they help people who are not him, but I would still tell you that the primary motivation to his actions are about himself, which is selfish.
-snip-
This does not apply. The majority of people will feel "good" or whatnot when they do something that is morally classified as good. We can not stop this feeling, i.e. the chemical reactions in the brain (at least not yet).
We, as humans, tend to repeat things that makes us feel good. This is within our nature. This can't be compared to doing things for the sake of salvation.
You're comparing doing this because it makes us feel good and doing this because we are going to win the lottery (i.e. go to heaven). Apples and peaches.

Nothing you said contradicted anything I said. In fact it reinforces it.  "We, as humans, tend to repeat things that makes us feel good. This is within our nature."  That's exactly my point: our nature is selfish. Instead of assigning a value to that and using it as a claim of superiority (e.g. I don't act out of a desire for salvation, so I must be a better person), just recognize it's the same for everyone. We all act to fulfill our own desires.
3198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: nuke went off in Yemen on: May 29, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
I can't imagine Pakistan would want to live in an area of such destabilization. ISIS would never have enough money to make living with the fallout of a nuclear detonation (both literal and figurative) worth it for nations in that area.

Also, do you have any sources?

Here:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-claims-to-be-infinitely-closer-to-buying-nuclear-weapon-from-pakistan-and-smuggling-it-into-the-us-139585/

Pakistan is an unstable country. Previously there have been defections from the Pak army to various radical Islamist organizations, and there is a real chance of such incidents occurring in the near future. Even the transfer of nuclear weapon technology to the ISIS can be extremely dangerous, as the group will be able to  create nukes using Uranium sourced from Niger.

That article you posted is about how ridiculous the idea is that ISIS could acquire nuclear weapons, not the likelihood of it. It starts with a claim by ISIS in their propaganda magazine that they could do it, then goes through increasingly unlikely circumstances that would need to be true in order for it to work.

Quote from: Your Source
The Islamic State terrorist organization proclaims it's now "infinitely" closer to buying a nuclear weapon and sneaking it inside the United States than it has ever been, a "far-fetched" claim that's designed only to spark fear of deadly chaos on American soil.

...

The article readily admits that the scenario that was presented is a bit of an exaggeration, but still argues that given ISIS' growth in the last year and expected growth for the coming future, there's no limit on what ISIS' capabilities will be a year from now..

...

Anthony Glees, director of University of Buckingham's Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies, told the Daily Mail that the claim that Pakistan would sell ISIS nuclear weapons is a "beggar's belief."

"It would be suicidal for Pakistan to supply them and suicidal for ISIS to seek to acquire them — it would lead to immediate military intervention," Glees said. "However, it is possible that ISIS might try to acquire nukes from somewhere, but if so, all western intelligence agencies would be on the highest alert to prevent this."

The claim is not credible.
3199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 29, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
But is religious people who did badness same with atheists? They have religion but don't care about heaven and hell so they did everything what they want. And I didn't say atheists is good and religious person is bad.
You're asking me if both religious people and atheists sins would be considered equal if they did the same ones? That's a yes.
The good deeds would decide who's better and who's worse.

You know I've never thought of that before. They want to get into heaven, so they help others but the main reason for helping is to selfishly help themselves, which is bad, so they don't goto heaven after all.

I'm going to remember that one.
My brain sometimes comes up with all possible outcomes. I'm not saying that everyone is doing this, but I'm pretty sure that quite a good portion of them are. If I recall correctly when you go to a priest to confess your sins (I have no idea how this is called?), he sometimes tells you to do a good deed to someone. This is where our man made religious have flaws. The person will do something good because if they don't do it their confession would be invalid. Selfish? I would say so.

I am by no means defending religion, but it would be fair to say that nobody acts unselfishly. Take for instance an athiest who donates money to charity. He is not doing so for religious reasons, so you cannot say he is only seeking to make god happy so he can have rewards in the afterlife, because the athiest doesn't believe in that. So you might say his actions have to be selfless. But I don't believe they are. Why would an athiest donate to charity? Because it makes him feel good or because it lets him believe he is helping people who very much need it, and this makes him feel good or lets him believe he is a good person. Yes, his actions are good and they help people who are not him, but I would still tell you that the primary motivation to his actions are about himself, which is selfish. They are about himself before they are about anybody else. This does not make his actions bad, of course. Selfish actions can be good actions; it's not a mutually exclusive situation. So whether you are religious or not, all your actions are selfish if we're being honest about it, and that's ok! But athiests don't get to claim the moral high ground because religious folks only act to for the promise of eternal rewards, which makes them selfish. Athiests act selfishly too, the rewards for them are just different.
3200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: nuke went off in Yemen on: May 29, 2015, 04:45:02 PM
This might be slighly off the topic, but I have to remind everyone that ISIS currently controls about 40% of Yemen, and they are attempting to purchase nukes from Paksitan. I don't think that they'll get the nukes that easily, but if they receive some 5-10 nucler war heads, that might trigger the next World War.

I can't imagine Pakistan would want to live in an area of such destabilization. ISIS would never have enough money to make living with the fallout of a nuclear detonation (both literal and figurative) worth it for nations in that area.

Also, do you have any sources?
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