Looks like I am calling in "sick" tomorrow. I have tracking numbers via FedEx for my 25 GH/s and 400GH/s kits, both arriving tomorrow.  Dave, thank you for all your hard work. Congrats!! I'm getting nervous over here as it's already past 6:00PM in West Coast and no change of status. I'm order #3x and still "Ready-to-ship" for the last 36 hours!! C'mon. Just hand me that tracking number! :p |
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News from Punin: "Here are photos of some of the soldering issues we've encountered. Please check your boards!" http://imgur.com/a/t3AKxIsn't that's why Dave is testing all the boards before shipping it out? +1 I rather have them tested and few days late than not tested and ready for fireworks. Yeah, my expectation would be to get a miner that works and does not require an advanced degree to avoid burning it up. But that's just me. I guess I'm picky. I also recognize that Dave is likely doing a lot more testing than the EU folks. But the lack of anything actually shipping, along with the radio silence, is troubling. I think there were 2 parts of the manufacturing process that were different between EU and US operations. Perhaps we are insulated from the soldering issue and the hashing rate variation issue is caused by a different reason? In any case, I think Dave is aware of this and most likely he's already shielding us from having to do ourselves any physical fixes on the boards. |
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Thanks for the heads-up, Punin! Just to get a feel of how likely I'll run into this issue, approx what percentage of boards are having this issues? |
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ALERT!! ACHTUNG!! HUOMIO!!We've spotted a minor (potentially major) security issue with the image that was distributed with the shipped units. The user pi and root both have some ssh credentials set. You should remove these so that no one can access your unit. (This should not be such big issue if you're behind NAT). How to correct this:- SSH into your Raspberry Pi with user pi (default password = raspberry) - Type commands sudo rm -rf .ssh
sudo rm -rf /root/.ssh
sudo reboot
- SSH into your Raspberry Pi with user pi (default password = raspberry)
And you should also change your default password, otherwise the unit can still be accessed. Thanks a lot for putting together this thread! So just so that I understand, if I SSH into my rPi using those credentials, reset my password and then remove SSH using the first set of commands, won't that lock me out? How am I supposed to re-login into my rPi in the future if not via SSH and will the new login/password still remain? |
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I sent a FedEx label for overnight shipping, and it does not show it has been scanned yet. So I doubt anything went out yesterday. This is for order 2x.
Funny to see that according to the poll about half people didn't care for insurance or overnight shipping . Lol. Something must have shipped yesterday since they worked over the weekend and did receive packages since Friday. I asked for overnight shipping and mine got the "Ready to Ship" status yesterday but I was like "WTF, ok, well just give me the darn tracking number otherwise means BS" hehe so I don't know whether anything is arriving today or not. If they employed overnight via USPS (I prefer UPS instead), I'll have to keep an eye on the street since anything that doesn't fit in my small mailbox the mailman immediately runs away and after 6pm returns the package to the the USPS office, just after it's closed. |
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I never said you mentioned terms about H-boards - that was *my* analogy, the significance of which has somehow escaped you (as you have not addressed the comparison). What you proposed (compensating August orders for earlier October deliveries) is not capitalism. And the terms do not state: no one who orders later batches are allowed to get theirs earlier. The terms for august orders are august delivery. End of terms. If october is a month late, has no bearing on august orders. Thus neither does any amount early. You keep trying to make it a question of "honoring terms". But your terms end when you take delivery of your product.
You are not making an economics argument, and I am not proposing any buddhist feel-good stuff. I'm saying if October shows up early, you have no claim (which you keep ignoring, instead playing semantics and making broad statements). That's capitalism. Someone gets a better deal than you, tough beans. Thus my example of the H-boards, which obviously are a "bonus" to the August orders, and no one else is complaining the terms have been violated because someone else got extra. You're selectively adding certain things (time gap) to your perception of the terms.
It's all about economics cause it's about the incremental "value" obtained after paying a premium. Only irrational people would say nothing if say October orders end up shipping next week. In that case why the premium for? By your argument then future orders could just say "delivered anytime" without having absolutely any bearing on price paid for initial orders? Rubbish. This is neither how's advertised nor a $11k f*ing Vegas gamble. Will have to agree to disagree this time :-) |
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False. False. False. The price and time difference is already there advertised in Bitfury store so simply asking to be executed. Sorry if you took it as a "punishment" but when you pick the 3-blade razor at the store rather than the 4-blade razor, do you feel punished? No, right? It's just a different product based on what you can afford and expecting different outcomes. The difference here is that times plays a factor as well. I'm not even talking about the difference in hash rates and it's up to Bitfury to that figure out if they want. That is irrelevant to the basic discussion. You are right: we worked on the knowledge that it's a 2-month difference at the time of investment, so yes, it's a 2-month protection gap.
The argument about compensating due to increases in difficulty: difficulty changes applies to all customers equally and in any case, it was never advertised or referred in any way in the description of the products advertised. Neither did Bitfury make any commitments about difficulty at all. I'm simply focusing on the advertised terms not in imaginary or unrelated aspects. That's it.
Bitfury is not going to ignore my arguments or of any August customers just because of your wishful thinking because guess what? it's still displayed in their store right now!
So you chose to respond to nothing other than a hypothetical suggestion about difficulty increase (**not given as a demand, but a conceptual reason, relevant given other companies "ROI protection" schemes**), ignoring the clear analogy to the extra h-boards. Nice. Forget the overriding themes of squelching success and entitlement mentality, as if early orders have any claim on later ones, or on what a business decides to do to improve things for customers who arrived after you. Continuing with such bitter logic, Apple should compensate you if the next revision of the iPhone is released any earlier than exactly 365 days from the old one, because you bought yours expecting a full year head start, getting the maximum use for your $$, compared to the lucky saps who get additional features in their next-gen phone. You factored that year of use into your purchasing decision, and now, horror of horrors, Apple releases the new iPhone 30 days early. Clearly you have been robbed in such a scenario. The essence of your position is that you lose if someone else benefits, whether or not what you have is altered in any way. That kind of attitude often resorts to protectionism when faced with progress and innovation in the marketplace. I said they never indicated any terms regarding h-boards differences in hashrate. I was pretty clear about that. If you manage to get compensated by Apple in such scenario, good for you! And if you didn't perhaps either you were unable to negotiate or you simply failed to read their T&C because I can bet you that's already covered! Apple is not that dumb to leave out from their contract agreements something as common as that. Go and read it yourself and let me know if you manage to get something out of it. Apple will give you something (if you prove it). . In this case, we are talking about how 2 products are relatively priced to each other. Your Apple scenario is irrelevant. Wake up, dude. Do you think that in this industry prices of products with same specs delivered later are cheaper just because Dave is in good mood?? It's purely an economics decision whether you feel offended or not. Make no mistake son. This IS a zero-sum game where people's actions affect others' because in this case, yes, they do. This is pure capitalism no matter how Buddhist or friendly you are so you need to stop taking things personal. I'm dying to know what innovation getting products earlier would bring so as to offset their price. Has nothing to do with protectionism. Don't overcomplicate it: just basic Price+Terms. That's it. |
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snip of back-and-forth
Update
I've added option for UPS Express Saver shipping, and dropped the prices a bit as further october orders will most likely ship in very late october. Those who picked first october orders are likely to receive theirs in very early october, if not september.
Regarding invoices: there was a problem on the site. I will need to send invoices manually. You will get an invoice, don't worry.
I need to sleep now. Shanghai awaits tomorrow. I should have more news for you in about 30 hours.
Punin said a few weeks ago that he expects to start shipping in early October if not late September.. I would expect Dave to be working with the same timeframe, but who knows. snip of back-and-forth
Update
I've added option for UPS Express Saver shipping, and dropped the prices a bit as further october orders will most likely ship in very late october. Those who picked first october orders are likely to receive theirs in very early october, if not september.
Regarding invoices: there was a problem on the site. I will need to send invoices manually. You will get an invoice, don't worry.
I need to sleep now. Shanghai awaits tomorrow. I should have more news for you in about 30 hours.
Punin said a few weeks ago that he expects to start shipping in early October if not late September.. I would expect Dave to be working with the same timeframe, but who knows. And whatever new products arrive in the future, they will definitely reflect in their prices and terms feedback from most people. I'm pretty sure they won't have the luxury of commanding a large yet arbitrary premium just for a very wide/uncertain gap. Things will get more formalized and become more specific just as some other industry players are starting to do. In any case, Bitfury is way far ahead than any other player in terms of commitment and accountability. |
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I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.
This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p Disagree. Dave and all vendors are (and rightfully should be) completely free to overdeliver on what they promise. Such achievements are very good P.R., as they further differentiate between themselves and other companies which underdeliver (if at all). They demonstrate their ability to innovate and improve, and increases confidence. You are proposing, however to extract punishment from (or compensate) one group or another based on later success. That's just ass-backwards. Penalizing success? exceeding goals? What exactly are you trying to motivate here? Case in point - initial tests showed H-boards not hashing at their advertised 25GH speed. So additional H-boards were included for free to the initial customers -- and likely only them, as later batches should have tweaks made to achieve the advertise rate per board. This meant people who ordered a 25GH starter kit are now sitting on 40GH of hashpower. Now, according to your logic, this is an unfair bonus given to one group (early orders) that later orders do not receive. Should Dave now "compensate" later orders that won't receive such extra hashpower with $$ to offset the difference? Didn't those later orders make their choices based upon calculations which weighed the cost of 25GH in august vs. 25GH in october? Have they not been wronged?? Hogwash. Shipping october orders any earlier than the 31st would NOT cause to "harm" to earlier orders. They got what they paid for, and they worked with what knowledge was available at the time of order, like everyone else. You could even make a case that shipping Oct earlier would actually be more than fair because of the steep increase in difficulty rendering earlier ROI predictions to be way off, so the earlier delivery would be a move to compensate (as other companies have attempted various schemes to preserve estimated ROI). Dave - ignore this guy and send everything out as soon as humanly possible. False. False. False. The price and time difference is already there advertised in Bitfury store so simply asking to be executed. Sorry if you took it as a "punishment" but when you pick the 3-blade razor at the store rather than the 4-blade razor, do you feel punished? No, right? It's just a different product based on what you can afford and expecting different outcomes. The difference here is that times plays a factor as well. I'm not even talking about the difference in hash rates and it's up to Bitfury to that figure out if they want. That is irrelevant to the basic discussion. You are right: we worked on the knowledge that it's a 2-month difference at the time of investment, so yes, it's a 2-month protection gap. The argument about compensating due to increases in difficulty: difficulty changes applies to all customers equally and in any case, it was never advertised or referred in any way in the description of the products advertised. Neither did Bitfury make any commitments about difficulty at all. I'm simply focusing on the advertised terms not in imaginary or unrelated aspects. That's it. Bitfury is not going to ignore my arguments or of any August customers just because of your wishful thinking because guess what? it's still displayed in their store right now! |
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I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.
This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p I think 400Gh/s for Aug delivery was 19kusd maybe I am wrong. $19,250 to be exact. The premium over Oct delivery is $19,250 - $8,000 = $11,250. Looks like we paid too much as it would take about 6 weeks to make up this premium. However, had the current difficulty turned out to be little lower the tables would have been turned completely. I don't think it's necessarily much relative to the current $ per Gh/s of competitive products available at this point in time. That's actually the mathematical formula that tells you the earliest possible October orders should be delivered (>6.0 weeks after August ones :-) |
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I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.
This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium. Pretty simple. :p Understandable that you want to protect your investment from the diff from our Oct orders, you did pay a premium. But hopefully getting in early Oct would be awesome and still provide you August orders enough time. By end of Oct is the goal as a deadline but early to mid Oct would be awesome and still fair. Of course it'd be awesome for you and I wouldn't mind at all as long as August customers would get a proportionate refund since they invested for a 2-month difference. However, I don't think Bitfury would do that or that's how a business practice should be. We didn't pay the difference just to have "enough time." I think the industry in general should be defined in "no earlier than X, no later than Y" timeframes to keep it fair since it's based on an advertised timeframe (+/- a few days) investment. 11 grand is 11 grand and it definitely affects ROI. I agree with you for the most part but I don't think you paid extra to have two months of mining before more would ship. I think you paid extra for August delivery, by the end of August as the deadline, it could have been sooner except for the fab snafu. We paid for Oct delivery with a deadline of Oct 31st, but sooner is a possibility. I don't think that's how it works. Both products are delivered by the same company and offered at the same time to compare. Hence, investment decisions are not made in the vacuum. You pick either the gold or the platinum product just like any other company providing various offerings whose trade-offs are incorporated and reflected in their pricing and terms difference. |
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I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.
This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium. Pretty simple. :p Understandable that you want to protect your investment from the diff from our Oct orders, you did pay a premium. But hopefully getting in early Oct would be awesome and still provide you August orders enough time. By end of Oct is the goal as a deadline but early to mid Oct would be awesome and still fair. Of course it'd be awesome for you and I wouldn't mind at all as long as August customers would get a proportionate refund since they invested for a 2-month difference. However, I don't think Bitfury would do that or that's how a business practice should be. We didn't pay the difference just to have "enough time." I think the industry in general should be defined in "no earlier than X, no later than Y" timeframes to keep it fair since it's based on an advertised timeframe (+/- a few days) investment. 11 grand is 11 grand and it definitely affects ROI. |
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I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.
This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p |
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Tracking info on USPS site  Only $50 for insurance?? I hope it means the default insurance aside from any extra insurance added to that shipment hehe. |
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Did anyone in the US receive their boards?
USPS said scheduled delivery today, but when I check tracking it still shows as being in WA.  ?? USPS Fail!! Dispatched to Sort Facility August 31, 2013, 6:24 pm EAST WENATCHEE, WA 98802 Did you get an order # below 10? How can it be set for delivery today if it was sent USPS just Friday/Saturday? Perhaps you are close to the sending address?? I paid overnight shipping so I hope it pays off :-). |
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Has Dave even confirmed that Starter Kits will be getting an extra H Board? I know Punin has said that in the EU thread but I don't recall Dave saying the same thing.
I think only for 400Gh/s orders. False. It applies to any order regardless of kit type so that you'll get at least the hashrate that you paid for per as Dave explained before. Example: in the EU site a guy ordered 2 kits in the same order, one kit for 400 gh and a 25 gh starter kit. Since he technically bought 2 separate kits and Bitfury can't force him to treat them a single kit, he got: 2 M-boards, 2 H-boards for the 25 Gh/s kit and 21 h-boards for the 400 Gh/s kit (based on whatever true hashrate those boards actually yielded). Hope that clarifies. Maybe start from here did I read it right some buyers get 25Gh/s starter kit with 2 Hboards. link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.660Yes. You are not dreaming :p. As I said, 25 Gh/s kits are being delivered with 2 h-boards until they deliver the correct hashrate. |
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Has Dave even confirmed that Starter Kits will be getting an extra H Board? I know Punin has said that in the EU thread but I don't recall Dave saying the same thing.
I think only for 400Gh/s orders. False. It applies to any order regardless of kit type so that you'll get at least the hashrate that you paid for per as Dave explained before. Example: in the EU site a guy ordered 2 kits in the same order, one kit for 400 gh and a 25 gh starter kit. Since he technically bought 2 separate kits and Bitfury can't force him to treat them a single kit, he got: 2 M-boards, 2 H-boards for the 25 Gh/s kit and 21 h-boards for the 400 Gh/s kit (based on whatever true hashrate those boards actually yielded). Hope that clarifies. |
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Yeah Got my tracking Number. Thanks to you guys for all the hard work and planning done to make the deadline. Its is refreshing to see someone who knows what they are doing! ;_)
Big Hats OFF!!
Cheers!
What is your order number.? Less than 6 Then I should be getting mine any time now. Seems like board manufacturer is probably still ramping up or box#1 was only a tiny fraction of all boards. My order (not shipped yet) was #3x or #1X in real-terms per as the 2:1 ratio that Dave mentioned of shopping cart adds that didn't convert to actual orders but used up numbers. Next week should be good though! |
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Here is my contribution to resolving the bet.
Some info and pictures of my units: 400GH unit and 25GH unit. Total hashrate ordered 425GH. They seem to be working better without fans.
My congratulations... Actually chips do not like when it is too cold and do not like when it is too hot - it is fine  Does anyone know what's the optimal temperature? |
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Wow. Congrats!! Did you request overnight shipping? if so, what delivery date is it showing (in case you were given a tracking number)? |
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