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321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox SEPA Transfers on: July 12, 2011, 12:28:48 PM
When you write 'will' - this means a new UI version?  Because now I don't see such link at the withdrawals records in the account history (in USD).

It is not highest priority, but is still important as it'll reduce the number of emails we receive on the support.
322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / MtGox SEPA Transfers on: July 12, 2011, 04:56:34 AM
Since a lot of people are wondering about the SEPA transfers, let me clarify a few things on how things were, and how things will be.

Deposits (until now)

Deposits were handled by the previous bank in "realtime" within the limit of 100k€ per day (could arrive anytime from 10 to 18). If we receive more deposits in the same day the bank has to confirm manually each deposit and hates us for it. The bank's CSV exports and API provide no useful information that would help us recognize a deposit the next time we download the CSV, or identify two deposits of the same amount from the same individual.

Amounts deposited in non-euros are converted to euro by the bank at rate of 0.5% with a minimum of 13.xx€, plus a 15.xx€ handling fee and another 5€ fee for manual processing of fees. All funds deposited are subject of a 0.02% fee taken by the bank (movement fee) that we cover on withdraw, makes those free.

Withdraws (until now)

Withdraws are processed by the bank automatically for up to 10k€ per day. Any withdraws done after reaching 10k€ in the same day are processed manually by the bank which hates us for that.

Sometimes some withdraws are lost when the bank process them, so we check automatically the bank statement to make sure the funds were sent. If not we'll try again automatically.

Status (until now)

The only way to get the status of a specific withdraw or deposit is by asking the support. We could do that in the site, except we have more urgent stuff in progress. It's starting to reach the top of the queue and should be done soon.




So, now, our French bank has decided that having 2 employees dedicated to click buttons for us was too much work, and is kicking us out. Thanks to French laws we cannot not have a bank account, and will have a new bank assigned automatically as soon as we are kicked out so we can open a new account the same day. The "Banque de France" employee strongly suggested we open a bank account to a more banking-friendly country such as Luxembourg or Switzerland, which we are already doing (takes more time than buying groceries) as most French banks will not be really happy handling such a large amount of transactions (and are mostly not ready for this).


Our plans for the future:

Deposits

Still free, at least once a day. May not be possible to do in realtime because the new bank may have higher security standards.

Withdraws

Withdraws must be processed next day. We may have some extra delays while we change the bank however we will process those faster then. Until we can get an API at the new bank, our representative in France will be manually inputting each withdraw request on the new bank.

Status

Checking your account history will show a "Details" link for withdraws. Clicking this link will open a page with the withdraw status and details on when it was sent to the bank/etc.



Thanks to the limits we had at the current bank we already started looking into alternatives and things are moving. Getting us kicked out will force us to put more priority on a new system for SEPA transfers, that will involve a more bank-friendly country. More details will be posted as soon as the new info are available (we may even open more than one bank account to do some load balancing and prevent a similar problem from happening again).
323  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MTgox API Poll Failing [Not Solved ... ?] on: July 12, 2011, 04:26:03 AM
Are you sure you're keeping the data in cache to avoid querying too much the API ?

For information our DDoS protection service (Prolexic) drops requests without user agent, and will block ips which present weird behaviour.
324  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Would you use credit cards to fund your trading accounts? on: July 11, 2011, 11:03:28 PM
By the way, this was possible last year on MtGox and Bitcoingateway.com but was stopped afterwards. On mTGox, due to credit card fraud because of the reversible nature of credit cards

For now. Also accepting credit cards means accepting debit cards too.
325  Economy / Marketplace / Technical: Mt.Gox uses websocket natively for realtime order book/ticker/etc? on: July 11, 2011, 10:39:16 PM
While working on the new Mt.Gox, we've been considering implementing websockets natively for everyone (with a fallback on long polling if not available).

Around 44% of our visitors in the past 30 days have native support for websocket (Chrome, Safari), and another 45% can enable it in their browser quite easily (Firefox+Opera). The remaining major part is MSIE, which should have support in near/less near future[1].



Since people in here have more of a technical background, let us know what you think (just spare me the usual "websocket is bad, use direct sockets" - we need something that works in web browsers... and check the new websocket framing in -06 and better first, it's no longer some weird \xff).
326  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Order Book with WebSockets on: July 11, 2011, 10:28:38 PM
I like those ideas.

I'm thinking that it might be nice to simply add your MtGox trade api token and subscribe to your particular order feed on the WebSocket. Then it would be very easy to highlight events related to your orders (though there would be no persistence between sessions).

As a side note, I am currently working on a far more sophisticated real time quotes system that everyone will enjoy. Please stay tuned for developments.

In the mean time I will probably launch a side-by-side order book and time & sales so you can close the console altogether.

If you need details on the future API and have preferences/requests on the way we push data on the stream, please contact me at admin@mtgox.com !
327  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mtgox's 2 Factor Authentication: Yubikeys on: July 11, 2011, 10:20:05 PM
Will the trading api still work if your account has a yubikey associated with it?

Yep, except for withdraw. Once things are setup (this week) you'll be able to generate API keys for your account and define rights for each key, and stop using your login/pass to access  the API.
328  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Mildly unimpressed with both MtGox and TradeHill on: July 11, 2011, 10:14:24 PM
For one thing I was not alerted by email when trades happened.

Second I had to write a spreadsheet to figure out what they actually charged me.

Thirdly they both log you out in miniscule time periods.

And I NEVER get the TH capcha right the first time (blind as a bat and all that rot)


Fairly unprofessional compared to the brokerage accounts I have used.


If you check your account history, you'll notice we display trading fees on the account history as separate lines, should make things rather easy.

We'll add the ability to receive trading emails soon, and the ability to change the logout period to something different soon too (per-account setting, will come with timezone selection at the same time).
329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thank you Mt Gox: My money is in limbo for a month now on: July 11, 2011, 10:12:14 PM
I feel a bit like a mtgox-vip now.
I got another email this morning, notifying me of my status.

Quote
Hello,

[...] We can't apologize enough for the delays.

We've been seeing long delays due to our French bank imposing limits on our daily transactions. In some circumstances this has been adding a few days to the time it takes to withdrawal. We've been working with another bank that will be able to handle the amount of transactions we (and our customers) need.

We're in the middle of another round of hiring, and expect that soon we'll have more people responding in a more timely manner. Your patience is amazing, and I hope one day we get get your confidence back in our service but sadly for now we're still playing catch up.

You should have 3 of the 4 payments within 2-3 business days, and the last one is waiting for our bank to process... so we're hoping it's soon but can't give an exact time until we know it's actually been processed.

Thanks,

Adam

well, as to my confidence: we'll see. giving me my money would be a start.

3 of the 4 transfers were confirmed by our bank and are already out on the SEPA network, and should reach you probably tomorrow morning (or more, depending on your bank).

The 4th one is pending bank approval (for some reason they decided it needed a manual input).

For information we are changing bank in Europe for this exact reason: processing of withdraws is impaired by their manual confirmations. Each day about 200 transfers are switched to manual processing by their automatic system, and requires them to actually input the informations manually /again/ the next day, and they limit us to 50k€ per day of international wires which is far from enough.
Because of the work this represents, and because of the recent wave of phishing on german banks ending in transfers to mtgox of stolen funds, they want us out now (and to tell the truth it's been a while we wanted to get out of that bank).

The original plan was to have a EUR account in our UK bank, however it is not ready yet... But!
Thanks to them pushing us out we'll be able to get a new bank immediately in France (the account will be closed friday morning, new account will be open right after that), and we'll use this occasion to announce the opening of the UK bank account, which already accepts deposits (and will support withdraw as soon as we get the required elements for "FaxPay", a service that allows us to send a fax to the bank to send a bunch of transfers all over UK and Europe).

Anyway we are working on getting withdraws on time (and not entering your address the right way has become harder on the withdraw page, too).
330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox: SEPA deposits offline until July 18th on: July 11, 2011, 09:57:50 PM
Fresh from Mt. Gox:
Quote
Euro deposits are currently offline until Monday 18th 2011. Deposits made this week will be processed until Friday morning. Any transfer received after Friday morning will be rejected by our bank.

A new EUR bank account will be announced on Monday 18th 2011.

If you have an urgent need of depositing funds, it is possible through our GBP account, however you will most likely lose on the currency exchange. Please check "GBP Deposit" in the menu.
You can also send an international wire to Japan as we have a EUR bank account here. Please confirm the fees with your bank first.
I don't know how long this has been up there but I haven't read about it anywhere so I think it's quite new.

Not sure how large the portion of EU citizens trading at Mt. Gox is, but about 6% of the leaked accounts had EU national ccTLDs emails. Based on the non-representative distribution from my personal mail contacts I'd guesstimate about 20% EU users - all having difficulty getting funds into Mt. Gox for about a week.

This sure could somewhat limit the trading volume for the coming week(s). At least it made me buy somewhere else.

Next Monday things are back to normal (should be by friday, but I don't know if the new bank will provide the IBAN right away or on the next monday) and deposits made so far will be processed during the week.



For information we are changing bank in Europe because processing of withdraws is impaired by their manual confirmations. Each day about 200 of the transfers we issue are switched to manual processing by their automatic system, and requires them to actually input the informations manually /again/ the next day, and they limit us to 50k€ per day of international wires which is far from enough.
Because of the work this represents, and because of the recent wave of phishing on german banks ending in transfers to mtgox of stolen funds, they want us out now (and to tell the truth it's been a while we wanted to get out of that bank).

The original plan was to have a EUR account in our UK bank, however it is not ready yet... But!
Thanks to them pushing us out we'll be able to get a new bank immediately in France (the account will be closed friday morning, new account will be open right after that), and we have a UK GBP bank account too now, which already accepts deposits (and will support withdraw as soon as we get the required elements for "FaxPay", a service that allows us to send a fax to the bank to send a bunch of transfers all over UK and Europe).

Anyway we are working on getting withdraws processed faster for everyone on top of getting deposits right even for German customers.
331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 20,000 BTC Selloff on MTGox -- hacked bitcoins? on: July 11, 2011, 02:58:35 PM
MagicalTux, I would like to ask you something. If an early adopter who holds large number of coins, wants to sell approx 50-100k BTC, could he arrange it with you personally, that he/she would fly over to where ever you guys are and sell his/her coins on your exchange while being physically present at your office while the selling is in progress. They would show all the papers needed so everything is legit, passport, ID, whatever papers you need, bank accounts to where you would transfer the money.

Questions I have are..

1. Can they come to the office, hand you hdd with 100k coin on it and sell it on your exchange?

2. If you could then transfer the cash immediately from your exchange account to their bank account?


Thank you

Most of this is possible without problem, just contact me (admin@mtgox.com) for details.
332  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 20,000 BTC Selloff on MTGox -- hacked bitcoins? on: July 11, 2011, 02:38:42 PM
let me guess... gox is sleeping right now

Not sleeping right now, and not hacked coins.
333  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Order Book with WebSockets on: July 11, 2011, 07:29:05 AM
I get::::

Your Browser does not Support WebSockets

Please try a better browser. You can get help here.


I am using firefox 5.  how much better can you get?

Chrome, Firefox 6.0, MSIE+HTML Labs, Safari...

Details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSockets#Browser_support

334  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: mtGox help page on: July 11, 2011, 05:51:25 AM
Here's the link to the mtGox help page.

https://support.mtgox.com/home


Perhaps I'm blind, but I have a hard time finding the link to the support page from the actual mtgox pages.

There's some useful information there worth reading.

Oops, my bad. Added link to the footer, and will add more links.
335  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Should trading be closed on weekends?! on: July 09, 2011, 06:17:29 AM
People can still deposit via LR, Dwolla balance, TC, and various other methods (or just keep some balance on the exchanges). Even with closed banks there are ways to move funds around.

(and I say this for most exchanges, since Dwolla/LR are widely supported)
336  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mtgox's 2 Factor Authentication: Yubikeys on: July 09, 2011, 06:16:12 AM
What scheme is Mt. Gox using? Are they using Yubikey's verification servers? Do they generate the key and burn it into the token themselves? Or can the user program the token?

We use our own AES keys (two random AES key by user) and burn the tokens.

We will provide in the future an option to unlink a token and retrieve the keys & programming codes.
337  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Mt.Gox: now yubikey enabled on: July 09, 2011, 06:09:51 AM
what's the deal with those of us who already have a standard yubikey and want to use it with mtgox's?

The yubikeys we are providing at this point are locked with both slots reserved for Mt.Gox.

Both slots are blocked and limited to Mt.Gox, however we will offer at some point the ability to unlink a key, which would then allow to retrieve the key's codes.

We will also open the ability to use yubicloud keys for protection.

I would like to provide notice, however, than using the same key on different websites opens a serious security risk if you are not confident on each site's trustworthiness. A site could - for example - show "yubikey compatible" on its page but in fact use the OTP you provide it to identify itself on a different yubicloud-enabled site and do bad things there. This wouldn't be really hard to do, but could be really bad depending on the attacked website.
338  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thank you Mt Gox: My money is in limbo for a month now on: July 09, 2011, 01:22:27 AM
Hi,

Contacting the bank in France from Japan by phone and telling them your address is a long and painful process, and for security reason I am the only one allowed to do that at this point. I have been busy during those past 3 weeks with other "matters" (like getting the site back online, fixing bugs, etc).

For this reason your request could not be handled timely, and I apologize for this. We modified the "withdraw" page to make this kind of problem less likely.

Mark


PS: Correctly providing your address results in your funds reaching you within 1 week (up to 2 weeks in case of large amounts, we will fix this soon)
339  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mtgox's 2 Factor Authentication: Yubikeys on: July 08, 2011, 02:58:01 AM
Hey MT, is there a shipping fee for international buyers or is it included in the cost?

The shipping fee is included in the price for any destination. Depending on your country's customs you may have to pay a tax.
340  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's the Best Trading Exchange for you: Mt Gox, TH, or CampBX? on: July 08, 2011, 12:10:38 AM
IMHO only one exchange has a "face".

I have found that Tradehill responds to email and they post here in their own name.

MT Gox never responds to email.

Any other new exchange must first proof themselfs.

We have posted some information abour our current tickets status and are doing our best to reply to everyone, which means more than 5000 tickets in the past 3 weeks.

If you want to see our face you can just cole to irc://irc.freenode.net/mtgox - it works too.
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