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321  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers👉Group Stage👉1/8 on: July 01, 2024, 09:02:02 AM
Watching England's performance against Slovakia was a pain in the a*s. I don't get why England's players are so slow and cowardly.
Bellingham saved them in the last minute and this goal broke the Slovakian team. It would be nice if the Slovakian player had punished Pickford's mistake and scored a second goal. I'm sure that England would have surrendered if the result was 0-2.
Spain-Georgia was pretty much expected to end 4-1. The only surprise was Georgia scoring the first goal, but Spain is definitely the better team. Spain-Germany is going to be a final before the final.
Cool the nerves brother, I didn't see the England team that bad yesterday, except for the initial goal drought. You might have expected more from them, which will not let you appreciate neutrally what was happening. But it's football, and anything can happen, we should at least appreciate that they delivered in the end. But scoring in the very first minute against them is not so cool and Slovakia taking it to the last minute of the match has put many under pressure, but in the end, it was good deliveries by Jude and Kane and the 2-1 is not bad at all.  For me, the end has now justified everything.

As for Spain and Georgia, I agree, it's obvious as it can only be luck for Georgia who narrowly won the knockout stage to win Spain which is doing better. And to first score in football doesn't mean anything, at times, the better team might be underrating the situation until they geared up to the challenge. You can see how things play out in both the first and second half, and scoring 3 times in the second half proves the better side. Again, it will be a challenging one between Spain and Germany, but that is if Germany does not disappoint. This is not the first time you will have that big expectation over them that they will fail, but Spain is not always like that. Let's see how that goes. However, France vs Belgium today is another one to watch out for, France should win but Belgium has done well so far too.
322  Other / Meta / Re: My Question? on: June 30, 2024, 03:46:01 PM
The first 10 users by their registration number and order:


You can check more in the same order, just keep changing the serial number at the end of the URL, for example, to check who was the 30th member who joined the forum, you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30

If you ask about why they joined the forum initially, we can't know the exact reasons, but at that time, most people who joined the forum were interested in Bitcoin and its technology and they mostly were interested in the technical side of it, etc.
Thank you for this, in addition to the reasons why the earlier people joined, I am sure that some will also join the forum to discover how to make money through Bitcoin for its investment purposes and stay close to the forum its founder is a member for them to learn better about it.

Aside from that, I am pleased to learn further through you, as it's always displayed online that Bitcointalk was created on November 22, 2009, but in reality, the admin is stating otherwise. Besides, it's sad that none of the first users of the forum is active anymore save sirius who signed in recently.
323  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw on: June 30, 2024, 03:26:08 PM
Of course my words doesn`t mean that we must share our data with everybody. But i often see how people give their data to unknown internet services without any guarantee of it`s security and the same time cry that casino can steal their data. It is strange enough as for me.
About license i can add my opinion, may be it isn`t true - i`m not a big player and never was cheated big sums. I don`t know how Curacao license can help me to return my money, if the casino decide to cheat me. 
I think many people at still ignorant about data sales that is why they are always eager to give our their data unknown source or company that could use their data against them. We don't have to keep sharing our date with online casino just because we want to play games, have fun and make money. There are other casinos too we can get the same thing from that would never ask us if our data because they felt it is unreasonable. Bad hands can get to use our data on Internet fraud and out us in great danger. We just need to be wise and keep doing the right thing.
I saw a bot in telegram, that showed information about telephone number owner. I searched information about people, i know in real life. I`ve got information about all of them - id, address, job, something else, i don`t remember. We are in the world of data. Big data. And there are people who can work with it. As the result we can get such information from the telegram bot. May be it was stolen, i don`t know, but anyway i think that data about all of us can be find in internet.
Regardless of the level of risk that we may see associated with KYC data protection and the risk of data linkage it is also important to know that KYC also protect the gambler from some data violation, such as identity theft that could be exposed only by KYC update, I am not against KYC but what I don't like is when the KYC is only demanded when the gambler won big amount even though they already done some level one verification.
I don't seem to get you correctly about the remark that "KYC also protect the gambler from some data violation," I would appreciate it if you could shed more light on that.

Well, the issue of KYC has been lingering for so long and in the end, I think this favours the government intervention rather than the customers' interest and data security. If you would agree with me, if not for the KYC, data leaks would not be as much as it is now, and we would only be hearing of the few ones that happens due to hacking and robbery. But today, we have millions of companies in the world collecting people's data, is the government telling me that they trust the safekeeping of people's data in the hands of these random people using companies to collect the data? I will not even think otherwise.

So, the issue of data collection through KYC online is always concerning, but it is unless we want to stay off the internet that we can overcome that, which is not possible in this civilization. As for the approach of demanding the KYC when you are winning frequently or trying to withdraw big or even withdrawing frequently is not new, it is we who should outsmart them by doing the right thing. Even if they ask for additional documents, let's provide them as and when due. I hope they will not start playing false verification to avoid the customer passing the verification for them to keep the money to themselves.
By the way, I think that now some casinos actually keep the money of those clients who cannot pass KYC for some personal reason.  I don't mean that the casino is stealing this money.  This is not true at all!  It’s just that such money is transferred to a special account “unclaimed client money”. 
And as unclaimed payments continue to grow, this bill gradually grows.  And in this case, starting from a certain point, the casino begins to count, roughly speaking, that these are like deposits from clients, as happens in a bank.  And apparently the casino itself puts part of this money into commercial circulation to make a profit.  The same thing as bank loans.  But, of course, if the player fulfills the KYC requirement, the money will be returned to him, but still such a fund will exist and work for the casino.  So many casinos are interested in having such unclaimed money from clients who do not confirm their identity using KYC or something like that.
You have a point and it is possible that some good casinos are doing just that. This also made me fall back on some financial services online and those who are not casinos but are allowed to hold customers' money like exchanges and brokers. They are in the practice similar to your view and of course, they are better structured than caisnos that are just growing like muchroom everywhere with little or no regulation that can curb their excesses. Had it been it's the financial services and online brokers that are duly regulated you are talking about, then I can agree with you in a way. This is because these establishments work very similarly to banks, so they dare not do something bad that if later exposed could lead them into serious trouble.

I've seen banks and brokers sanctioned to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, specifically at a time Barclays Bank which is a liquidity provider for some brokers was sanctioned about half a billion dollars, regulators in such fields are not playing in some countries and industries. But casinos are not part of it. Even if the regulators are strict in some countries, how many casinos are registered in those countries? They prefer weak regulation so that they can get away with a thing like this. Therefore, I believe "most" of the money they earn through cheating is gone for good, this is especially true if you have a huge money there, they may use all means possible for you not to get it.
324  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling mistake repeated by the gamblers on: June 30, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
~It is ironic that the newbies that are the luckiest at the beginning are in fact the ones that could suffer the worst effects from gambling,

I don't share this notion that "newbies are always lucky" or something like that, but I agree that those newbies who are lucky right when they started gambling are in big danger actually.
I think you didn't get the gist of what he wrote, he didn't mean to say that all newbies are the luckiest but only referring to those ones who are the luckiest. And of course, that luck may enter their heads in the beginning, but this will only lure them deeper into it, and hence into their doom if they did not prepare well for gambling. This is why I often advise everyone to learn how to gamble and also make sure they know the pros and cons attached to it. This is irrespective of whether you've been gambling for long or not, so long as you never know the rudiment of gambling. it is better to retrace your steps and do the needful in order to preserve your money and sanity.

Luck is real in gambling but it can only come to you once in a while, so something you can't control or have reliability over, can you base a viable plan on it? This is what many of them do not know. Luck may be shining on them this minute but in the very next minute, it is gone, which is why you see many of them hitting it big at first but will not quit, sadly, before the end of their gambling session, they could have returned back to negative.

To avoid all these, it is better to have a viable gambling system and be very strict with sustainable management and budget that will preserve responsible gambling in your engagements with it.
325  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Components In Marketing A Casino What's The Best Option For Owners on: June 30, 2024, 12:16:24 PM
Best Features Word Of The Mouth

Announcement And Signature Campaign

Review Campaign

Affiliate Marketing

Advertising On Popular Network

I prefer the casino operator to buy a copper account here on Bitcointalk and create an announcement thread hire a competent bounty manager to launch a signature campaign, the gamblers trust the casino with official announcement so they can openly as their concern publicly.
Marketing is powerful so it should not be limited. As a business-oriented person, I don't like to leave any stone unturned, every possible way of marketing my new casino is what I will go for. Calling for one of these good options listed above is just a means to limit your casino being heard. You can imagine the billions of people who are not reading from Bitcointalk, that's how it will be limited if you limit it here alone. And for the record, those who are better-prepared and also have the resources, have their presence here and are also advertising in all or some of the listed options above. I often stumble on many of them (both the popular and less popular ones). That is how the news of casinos spreads virally.

Lastly, anything on the internet cannot be taken, the best approach is to find a forum, website, channels or even platforms like FB, X etc with huge traffic and audience to propagate whatever you are selling if you have the needed resources. I can assure the casino that in less than 6 months, a huge success would have been made.
326  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is Gambling A Hobby? on: June 30, 2024, 11:44:05 AM
Nope, in my view gambling is a style of life rather than a hobby. True and abstracted gamblers will bet on everything even on tomorrow's whether and it doesn't matter with whom and where. They are  gambling in the sake of process which is part of their psychologic life. I'm not in their class. For me personally gambling is a kinf of  "hash-time"  session when spending  my leisure time.
Gambling can be considered anything, depending on how we view it. You can consider it as "life style" or "style of life" for yourself, but you can't generalize it. Not sure what you mean by "true gamblers" or "abstracted gamblers", but it isn't likely as a lifestyle if a gambler bets on everything and do it carelessly. IMO, it is just the way of wasting money with gambling if a gambler does it in that way. I think you need another example if you want to describe it as a "life style".  Wink

I'm also a bit similar as you. I just bet when I've free time (spare time). I'm not a typical gambler who push all my funds in a single day. I've an allocation for gambling daily, weekly, or even monthly. I'm not a part of those gamblers who can spend all my funds because of chasing the wins or trying to recover losses. When I have a bad day and get some losses, I'll stop it earlier in that day and return again tomorrow.




I would like to note that I often also come across a stereotypical perception by other people of the fact that I love casinos, betting and poker. They immediately start looking at me as if I could go and lose my entire salary in one go. But it's not like that!
And I strictly observe money management, I am proud that I have never been to tilt. I didn't break my computer mouse on the table when the opponent at the poker table got the best cards. And the like.
But "gambler" is like a label for a bad person, that's what others think.
Indeed, gambling could be bad for some, but it is obvious that it is not bad for all. Some people may love doing it, which is why I would say that, yes, gambling can be taken as a hobby as asked in the title of this thread. What you love doing and trying as much as possible to find time to do regardless of the money you use to access it is part of your happiness, so it could be your hobby. And if anyone can keep it reasonable financially and psychologically, then I call it a good hobby. This is especially true if you've built some kind of mindset towards it in which you can get refreshed after work or cool your head no matter what you are facing initially.

So, it is all about how we view it or engage in it, gambling is not so bad. Nonetheless, for those who are trying to gamble for fun or trying to make money with it under the right management, you have to ensure that you have a viable plan and budget that will speak well of proper management towards it. Anything outside this is going to ruin the party for the person sooner or later.
327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: From $30 free bet to $168 on: June 30, 2024, 11:24:46 AM
I'm just seeing this, congratulations on the bet! There is nothing that excites people more than free money, especially the one that you have very good luck with like this. Still, make sure that you do not spend the money anyhow since it started from free money, and people do not often appreciate that when it comes to its spending. I made that advice judging by the tone you used in the last bet that made you have the much nerve to play the last roulette that delivered the last luck to you.

No winning is worthless, money is money, so utilize it well. Better still, invest it again in what you know can continue to earn you more money with less risk.
328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think as a gambler we should allocate specific amount to gamble? on: June 30, 2024, 11:08:46 AM
OP, above all, we should gamble with the money that suits our kind of person and the plans that will never hurt our finances. Ever since I've been gambling, I've never allocated a certain money for gambling specially, I only gamble with some random amount depending on the amount I can spare that time and my moon towards it. If I closely weigh it, it has always been an amount that if I lost it can never affect me whatsoever.  That is how I prefer gamblers to think and act as well but we are free to do whatever we want to do. Also, when I am trying to earmark certain money for gambling, I make sure that I do not view it as a must. As we all know, gambling is not the smart way of income and since I have my source of income, it has never been difficult to view it as less important to my living.

With this mindset, I have been able to do without the compulsion of gambling, and if I lose money initially deposited, I might not even think about depositing again for a month or more unless I feel like doing it. But to avoid taking too long to deposit, I rather reduce the risk I wager per bet and it has been helping me to sustain my deposits for months in my account. Notwithstanding, I've seen and heard people allocating a certain portion of their earnings for gambling, well, it may only be a smart idea if gambling is positive to them, but if it is always negative, so why earmark the portion you will be losing/wasting from your income?
329  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Patience can help alot on: June 30, 2024, 09:32:47 AM
Patience is a critical skill that can make you stand out from the crowd as this means you can quit anytime even in the heat of the rage after having lost a lot of money.People who do not have patience will most likely continue to play leading to more lost money by chasing the loses.In this context patience can help a lot the people who have such determination to stop,determination that comes only from having a great amount of patience,it helps these people not go in ruin or go in gambling addiction,so yes patience helps a lot for real for the people who are strong enough to have it and apply it when needed.

As gamblers, patient is very important to be exercised as it will help you think critically and make good decisions. Aside gambling, patient is very important in our lives. Before making any critical life decision, take time to think about the merit and demerit of the outcome from the decision you're about to make. Before making gambling decision it's important to plan and strategize so you won't easily fall for addiction trick by gambling excessively. Greed is one of the reason why most gamblers are not being patient, the urge to get back at the casino in chasing your loss will definitely make the gambler Impatient.

Gamblers who possess the skill of delaying gravity mainly have less troubles with gambling results. This rarely impacts the narratives of Op's story, because the game results is what it is whether he applied patience or not. The issue of withdrawing money while the game is still ongoing is non to be bothered about when the player had some funds in profits at the end of the game. Op is also lucky to have taken his funds, if he didn't, he may have won big. Yet the biggest regret will fall in when he didn't win any, he'd bother himself out over why he didn't cash-in when it was due to do so with some profits.
There is no certain template approach for gambling on which gamblers can solely rely. This is why what works for you today may not work for you tomorrow and vice versa, so letting yourself get pained due to some missed opportunities is not to be allowed. It is tantamount to being greedy as well because the winning could be $1,000 if you had waited but as a smart and reasonable bettor, you close it at about $8,300 for instance despite that you've wagered just $1,500 to earn that much. Is that not reasonable enough?

It is not a must that you earn it all, and trading has taught me a lot about this, you do not have it all the time as planned and the best approach in this kind of situation most times is to go home with "something" if not "all." It is only greed that makes us flash back to think that if we had waited we would have earned it all. But what if you waited and lost everything?

I advised a friend to close a gamble a few months ago instead of waiting for the outcome of the remaining match, and thankfully he agreed and closed it. Fortunately for him, the last match became negative, that's how he would have lost the whole money initially made including his wagered amount. For this, I say we should continue to follow our instincts but most important be managerial conscious in situations like this.
330  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The benefits of Gambling on: June 29, 2024, 04:20:11 PM
Most of the topics we read are mostly mentioning about the negative side of gambling but I think we also discuss the positives of it...

1. Socialization
2. Income Generation
3. Employment
4. Support to the Gambling Industry

We've seen a lot of things enough to consider why gambling must exist. Maybe we just correct our views that gambling is bad because this also helps other people. We don't just focus on the bad things like addiction and debts that a person may commit by being an irresponsible gambler but also, must see the benefits it gives to the community and in our personal lives.
I've never painted gambling as bad the way many would do, and the fact that I gamble without any issues attached to it means that we have our choice to do the right thing while engaging in it or not. However, if you gamble wrongly, you face the brunt, but if you gamble rightly, you will surely be fine, so why blame it so much the way people do?

Gambling is just there, it is the gambler who went to meet it, so anything you experience there whether good or bad is yours to absorb. This is why it is good to prepare for whatever we want to engage in instead of later crying foul. And of course, with the reality of things, the fact remains that gambling has both pros and cons just like any other thing, and I can't agree more with what you iterated above as its pros, but also, I like to add Tourism, Economy, Art and Fun to it.

People always call the casino and sportsbook establishments out as the only ones that spend the money made, but just like any other business that is booming, the money can't be spent alone, there will always be a division of labour and remittances. Even the government earns so well in the gambling industry to better the economy of the nation, and the fact that land-based casinos are a tourist attraction even means FX inflow to some countries.
331  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bank teller stole $28,000 from customers to feed her gambling addiction on: June 29, 2024, 03:50:45 PM
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How far do people go to feed a gambling addiction?

In this story we have a young bank teller, 28 years old lady, who stole 28,000$ from four different elders who were suffering from health and cognitive problems. Her goal was to fuel a gambling addiction, as presented by the defense at the court.

Families must be attentive to their elders when going to the bank and dealing with money in general. Scammers and thieves are everywhere and always ready to take advantage of the vulnerability of such individuals at an advanced age.
I know many people could do unspeakable things for gambling's sake, but this story, I do not believe it towards gambling since it is not the first time people/bank workers have stolen from people's accounts, especially old people, believing that they may not be able to account for the sum anymore due to their old age or some kind of sicknesses. This is a case of a pure thief in my opinion, and whether it is for gambling or not, I would rather treat it the same way as stealing, nothing further.

Who knows, it may not even be for gambling but trying to blame it on something psychological like it. In my experience with legal proceedings, anything that enters the court can't be trusted, her lawyer may just be looking for a way to lessen her punishment and blame it on gambling addiction, especially if she has a history of gambling regularly. This is why I will always blame her action and not what she stole the money for, they are only trying to further paint gambling bad in some cases.
332  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How often do you recognize a match fixing? on: June 29, 2024, 03:14:46 PM
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These are just my opinion based on my observation. How about you? what do you think?
The match-fixing discussions are hotter online now than before and I put it to you that match-fixing is very real and despite trying to carefully plan it to cover it up, it is sometimes obvious and suspicious. It was in the old times that some obvious ones were discovered and sanctions were made but now again it is becoming more rampant. I am sure that many officials who should have caught them would be silenced with money when they know or try to cover everything up when they are later detected so that football and other top sports will not be like a joke if it is becoming too rampant that players, referees etc are often called out and sanctioned for this reason.

Just a few weeks ago, a player in one of the top leagues (I forgot the name) was fined and suspended for years for match-fixing and betting, and many are happening in the local African league and elsewhere now to even call for the check on the integrity of football again. If this continues, well, people will still be interested in the sports, but of course, it could cause an uprising if some are too obvious on the pitch.
333  Economy / Gambling / Re: More revelations on the challenges of physical casinos on: June 29, 2024, 09:33:25 AM
Most of those challenges many of us are having were caused by us through the ways we have been gambling and how we show our careless attitude towards it, its not a matter of using a physical gambling platform or the online version that controls us from having the best of gambling experience, its mostly all about what we do and how we acted towards many of these things in gambling in which could have negative impact on us.

May be that is true but what happened with the person in OP was something that he could not have controlled at his end.
If the gambling agent cheated him then that is not his fault. Same thing with online casino sites, if you deposit your money on the site and if the site is a scam then is it your fault in it ?
The two of you are right, of course, many issues are caused by gamblers, and in some cases as well, they are just victims of the circumstances. And if you read what @Dunamsx wrote, he never mentioned "all" but "many." Above all, the conclusion of the two of you is very valid and somewhat agrees as well, and I say that the two types of casinos are good, but no matter how good they are, they will have their cons too, if not many. I have replied many times on this thread and shared numerous pros and cons of the two, regardless, we should choose based on our preference and what we can handle and we should try as much as possible to gamble in such a way that any gambler fault is not from our end.

As for me, I like to do the two together depending on the mood. However, due to the nature and better accessibility of online casinos, I do it more. And if I should put them in a ratio, it should be more than the ratio of 1:100 (Land-based:Online). I said that because I've experienced the two, and till today, I've never experienced any reason to regret gambling through either of them.
334  Economy / Gambling / Re: Slot Educational on: June 29, 2024, 09:05:03 AM
Slot machines are really designed for the player to use strategies that can be called quite complex.  And playing them without any strategy at all is simply, in my opinion, not at all interesting even for the player himself.  Still, it is better to at least find out a little about possible strategies when playing slot machines before you start actively playing on them.  Still, the probability of losing less in the long term increases slightly, and accordingly the probability of winning also increases slightly.  But here there is a question of choosing a strategy and strictly following this strategy during the game itself.  It seems to me that a significant part of novice players still at some point stop using the strategy and the game begins to be chaotic, which naturally leads to large losses of money. 
This is a problem that a novice player still has to deal with on his own.  This will be useful for himself and for his self-esteem as a good gambler.

You are right! Choose the strategy and amount you can afford to spend! Play responsibly and as an option for fun, and not as a source of income!
Your statement is so simple but top-notch as it speaks volumes on how gamblers can effectively reduce their stress while engine it. If done correctly, it will go a long way in increasing their mind strength towards gambling to accept its reality and reduce the possible damage. In any risky activities like gambling and trading, the golden rule is to only deal with the money affordable to the player, anything from this will only ruin your day if care is not taken, except you are just lucky. Can we now rely on luck always? I don't think so because luck as it is is not something you can control, you can only hope and pray for it

Owning to this, it is good to always have that factor of safety where possible it can help (management and psychology) and only move in the path that will keep our emotions in check. A further action is to always accept gambling as it is, as it is just an extra activity that "may" bring passive winning which is never guaranteed, and "not a major means of making money." The risky context in it should also always be ringing in our heads so that we know it's better we tread carefully, or else, we will regret our doing.
335  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi community I hope give me some ideas about this problem I have in CLOUDBET on: June 29, 2024, 07:27:01 AM
Hello community,  first of all I'm sorry for my English is not the best I know...but I have this issues with @cloudbet I don't know if anyone have the same issues and if have let me know how I can resolved. In 2014 I start playing a lot of bitcoins in 2015 I reach 2.0 millions of point loyalty. In that moment contact me from cloubdt support. I can ask a phone and then send me to my house . But never I get that phone because tell me I need reach a new level 2.6 millions. And when reach never send me.. 2 years later I still asking when I can redeem my points and always told me in future you can. Now seems futures come... and they say i lost all my points because I don't play like the others years.. but I play all the rest of year at least something for don't loose anything. Now they tell me I have 0 point. But why in 2022 I have a chat when tell me cloudbet 2.6m can't be lost...and now tell me I lost?? Why in 2015 have 2.6million and 2017 have 2.6 millions too but in 2024 I have 0? Why if not program exist  offering redeem point when they made a program for redeem why my point dissappear? Don't need exchange first? Anyone can give me your thoughts? What I can do? I only asking free bet or cashback I'm not asking millions of dollars... but seems they never want give anything back to me.. because I play at different price like now... please any advice for ne?? I have emails from them. Chats. Pictures to many.. I can see a lawyer? Thanks I appreciate everything.
Well, this is not the case of cheating you with your deposited money, so hiring a lawyer may not be a smart decision, you may only pressure them more to give you something little if possible. Have you even read their terms and conditions about these points offerings to know how it works? Mind you, these casinos are cunning, they often like to update these terms and conditions often, and to the point that they might make it possible to rightfully set the points back to zero using some undeniable definitions to back it up. Actually, updated terms and conditions should not affect the points that were previously gotten before the existing ones, but in reality, it is not so with many casinos.

This is why you see most of these casinos lying about their regulation or moving to countries where regulations are weak so that they can do and undo with no one dares challenge them. Had it been this happened in a country where strict law is being practised like in the US/EU, of course, you have a case and you will even charge for damages and emotional effects to make them pay more than they owe, but of course, as I said, they will always dodge such countries to perpetrate these kinds of ignoble acts.

Conclusively and in summary, since this is a clear case of cheating if all you said is true, except they operate from a sane country with true regulation, the chance of getting it back is so low. You might want to move on.
336  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Double your money and quite on: June 29, 2024, 07:06:48 AM

After all, in reality there are no gamblers who have won and then really leave gambling completely, there is no such thing. In fact, even though they have just started and lose, but in reality they will continue to try the next day and will keep repeating. In essence, gambling is a game that will really be difficult to leave, and it doesn't matter whether they started well or badly,  because they will continue to try their luck and curiosity until they don't realize that they have experienced bigger losses than wins. Also, about doubling money and quite, that's basically an easy theory, but in reality it will be difficult to do for most bettors.
The point is not not to return, but to withdraw your winnings every time you manage to double your deposit. There are players who act chaotically, without following the rules, they can win good money, but because they don’t  withdrawing, they expose themselves to the risk of playing everything. Players will return, but it is better to do this with the specific goal of doubling and withdrawing winnings.

They are exposing themselves with how casino owners wanted them to be, if lack of understanding and a good balance with their finances instead of making money they'll just going to send it back together with their capital, it's important that you as a gambler knew what's needed to be done when you have that opportunities to quit with certain amount of winnings.

Self-control and good decision making is really important when you are in this situation, strategy and proper executions will allow you to keep in line with your setup.
I will always say that casinos are neutral in this and so is gambling itself, it is our choice in every decision we make and that is why it is only legal to start gambling at an adult age to avoid childish decisions. So any decision we make at that time is solely our responsibility and I absorbed casinos from every negative wish against their customers even if it appears to be so due to how the business is being run, nevertheless, it's we the gamblers who should be up and doing in the quest, we should never be greedy or desperate about it or believe that gambling has a certain means of earning all the time.

If a certain means helps you today, it is not guaranteed the next day, so it is better that we are always neutral about it, and instead of believing in a regular possibility for outcomes we should have a good system of gambling that will entail reasonable strategy, management and plan. And of course, we should not just gamble, we should make sure we understand it, which I believe should be the first step to take before anything else. Anything outside these is only our dreams and self-deceit which will never hold any water in the long run.
337  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Jake Paul to Fight Mike Tyson in Live Netflix Boxing Event - July 20 on: June 29, 2024, 03:13:04 AM
I know all that, that was just a sarcasm. In previous topics about Jake Paul vs anyone, everyone was talking that Jake is a nobody, a youtuber who put boxing gloves on, that all his fights are rigged and he is fighting aged veterans only. Suddenly the mood of the topic has changed into huge favourite Jake is fighting against a newbie.

Nothing has really changed. Jake Paul is still fighting aged veterans in fights with easily predictable outcomes. Of course he is going to be a huge favorite when he is fighting a middleweight from a completely different sport. We’ve already seen Jake fight against former MMA fighters half a dozen times already. It’s not rocket science predicting how the outcome is supposed to go.

Personally, I dont really care who Jake fights against, as all of his opponents are people who can and were knocking people out cold, and he has balls to step in the ring against them. Many would be scared to have a light spar in full gear against them, but he puts on gloves, trains and crosses ring ropes.

People would be considerably less scared if they had to spar somebody who is much smaller and has virtually no experience in professional boxing. It doesn’t take any balls to participate in an opportunistic cash grab where everything is stacked in your favor.

I’m just bummed that such an exciting event for Netflix with them entering the realm of live sports has turned into a fight that nobody really cares about. We all just wanted to see Mike Tyson. Without Mike I’m not even sure if I’ll be tuning into the fight now. Netflix has to be upset about Mike’s health issues.
Lol...it's obvious, this is business for Netflix and I am sure that like you said, many like me will be forced to subscribe to Netflix that we've abandoned for months just because of the guy. He is a big name in the world of boxing and those who are mature enough during his reigning days will always appreciate him and want to watch him. This is the calculation of Netflix and if this continues to be successful for them as planned, viola, they will soon be streaming crucial sports events and even have a special branch for it like Netflix sports over time.

As for Mike Tyson's health issue, it is temporary and a new date is fixed, so Netflix can still go ahead with their plan as he will be back on his feet. The date is now the 15th of November which is a long months from now for everyone to have done their homework. I believe the fight will happen.
338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which is easier, to quit when winning or to quit when losing? on: June 29, 2024, 02:23:41 AM
Suppose our bankroll is $100 and it has already grown to $500, would you quit or continue? Conversely, if with our bankroll, we are down to $10, would you still continue or save the remaining $10? I used specific amounts to make it easier to discuss this situation. I understand that we all gamble with different amounts based on our income, but consider this as an example. You can mention any amount you want based on your personal experience; it doesn't matter.
In my experience about gambling with my money and how I know gamblers behave, it is easier to quit while losing than winning. If a day is your lucky day to the point that after some bettings, you won 5 times your initial money, oh boy, this is a rainy day, your lucky day indeed, so why go home early? That's how gamblers think. Fine, some people will be able to avoid the temptation but I tell you that most people will continue wagering, and this is one of the reasons why they lose back the money they had gained.

But for the losers, in my experience, they are pained by it and it is not all of them that are engaging in the revenge quest like that but a few. For this, if they had lost in streaks, they can't be so happy so they may likely call it quit faster than those who are winning and have more reasons to stay and bet more.
339  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: He Used Our Wedding Savings to Play Bet on: June 29, 2024, 02:02:56 AM
I don't think so too, because it's not normal for a responsible person to gamble with money that's will be used for important things. If the woman should get the dude arrested then it will be fine , especially if the money the guy gambled with all and lose is the woman's own. Some times I doubt if people who don't think about the risks in gamble before they gamble really know whet they are doing, because It's in troubles fo see an adult do a thing a child is supposed to do.

I doubt that police would even bother for such a case. Nobody is being killed, harmed or robbed. Police dont solve such family conflicts. If we look on the first post, then you suggest to arrest a guy, who has used $500 from family or civil marriage budget. And dont forget, he gambled because he wanted to double money for them, not to earn money for himself. The guy who gambled is reckless, or unlucky. But that woman isnt perfect also. They are about to get married (and that money issues is he first test of their family and relationship), but that woman still divide problems into her and his.
Actually, that's what police does but in a case like this, if the husband to be gamble and lose the money that belongs to his wife to be, she can arrest him. I have seen a situation like that when the woman arrested her husband for using their money for unnecessary things. Some woman can do such a thing when they have money more than their man/husband. If clash can go in between spouses there is nothing that can also make people who are dating not have such. Husband can over react when their wife's or girlfriend gambles and losses the money that they both wanted to use for important things. The police officers won't do anything bad to the guy actually but they will only tell him to pay back the money to the woman if the money belongs to the woman.

I dont know on which part of the world such police exist, but I definitely wont wish to live there. I dont believe there is a law in any country, that will force one family member to be arrested, because he has spend money. That is an absurd. Even if they are not married yet, how can police force someone to repay money one person has spent? If there was a contract between, then with a help of lawyer it can be negotiated. Since they are family, they divide everything half and share. Its family budget. If wife can call police because husband has spend money, then this is a some kind of a jungle law.
Lol...I am with you on this. You see, a lot of people do not know how this law and justice work, but you can't blame them, it is what they were born into, so they think it is normal. Just like in my country, anything goes, you will see police involving themselves in ridiculous things out of their duty even as many are using them to oppress their fellow citizens just for a little tip or because they have a relationship/affiliation with the police one way to another. It got worse to the point that military guys would be seen anyhow on the stress harassing the citizens and people are using them for civil disputes, which could be in some insignificant cases that even the lowest ranked vigilante shouldn't have gotten himself involved.

So in countries where this is happening, you can't expect short of what the guy said, people can do and undo, and in the case of the main OP, it all depends on the fiancee on how to take the matter up in such countries. But she should know that the marriage is over if she follows that path as well. A husband or wife can also use the police in this case, everything goes, and even a brother can use it against his father or anyone. You can imagine how it is. Regardless, the right approach is to use a lawyer, but you also have to know that this is only happening in sane countries and every country in the world can't be sane.
340  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The Power of Social Trading: Can It Improve Decision-Making for New Traders? on: June 29, 2024, 01:42:04 AM
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On one hand, it can be awesome to learn from the pros and see how they're reading the charts. On the other hand, blindly following someone else's signals might not be the best recipe for success. So, what do you think?  Could this kind of social sharing improve decision-making for new traders?
To be frank with you, what I think is that trader's performance will not still improve by it. Social trading is not just starting and this is not the first time that social trading is being fine-tuned to achieve success for the broker/exchanges, followers and master/signal providers, but what has the result become? I've also seen enough bots in operation for many years by bot labs and signal providers, tutors doing their things like, you name it, but to what end? This is why it is good that you even learn how to trade rather than rely on anyone or a bot because, in the end, it doesn't work. And even if it works but later the source is no longer accessible, what will be the lot of the person?

If at all you will be enjoying the service of social trading, it should be for two reasons, 1) Educational and 2) Secondary. The first is to learn whatever could be learned from the program, which is why I like those ones who trade live and also explain what they are doing to their audience. As it is said, "no knowledge is lost." As for the secondary, it means to do it on another side while you have your real trading quest that you are handling solely by yourself and not relying on social trading.
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