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321  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 08, 2014, 02:39:02 PM
what a fucking joke, the last couple of days some of you were crying all around the place about the rounding up and about Bitstamp ripping customers off, and most of you agreed on the $5 min order, in fact most of you said it should minimize the effect, but today you are crying again about them doing what you wished for !!!!! what the heck is wrong with people  Angry


Welcome to the Internet. Smiley
322  Economy / Speculation / Re: China Ban is a NOW a bullish Signal on: May 08, 2014, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: @barrysilbert
Now that "China banned bitcoin" has been fully priced in, I predict the country's efforts to curtail will backfire and drive global interest.

https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/464059598492925952
323  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why the hell are Chinese Bitcoiners still trading on Chinese exchanges? on: May 07, 2014, 01:09:55 PM
324  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price has been stagnant for a while. Have we bottomed out or is there more FUD? on: May 06, 2014, 11:20:29 PM
I could say that the price has been "relatively high" for a year also. Who is to say where we perform relativity?

Oldie but goodie:

325  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predicting uptrend now underway from bottom reached on April 11 on: May 05, 2014, 06:26:09 PM
Since April 11 when we hit about $340,

If we go below $340, I will eat my cat.
326  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: April 22, 2014, 05:29:27 PM
So today, there is a very interesting article on ArsTechnica about BFL. (link here)

The TL/DR Version:

1. Sonny had his parole extended for 2 years for breaching it (in reference to BFL).

2. BFL owns the Eclipse Mining Pool (bought in 2012 for $100,000) - Josh/Inaba kinda failed to mention that one...

3. BFL Lawyers set up a dummy corporation in the Bahamas which then gave 'loans' to Nassar ($150,000), VP Jeff Ownby ($26,000), Sonny ($65,000). This is despite the Bahamas company making a lose of $800,000.

4. There was $11,000,000+ in the BFL Paypal account before it was frozen.

5. To date there have been more then 6200 complaints to Paypal.

6. BFL is permanently banned from using Paypal.... by Paypal.

also:

@Inaba

I found this bit interesting.  Care to explain?

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One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder, Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL. Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)

Are BFL using your former mining pool to "test" new miners until they are almost totally unprofitable before sending them out? 



To answer your question:


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Re: Butterfly Labs Production of Requested Information

(...)

[to] Kate Mahoney, Assistant United States Attorney

(...)

The following information is submitted on behalf of Sonny Vleisides in response to your inquiry regarding various documents and information related to Butterfly Labs and Sonny Vleisides.

(...)

Eclipse Mining Consortium was a website that Butterfly Labs purchased from Josh Zerlan in 2012.

(...)

Butterfly Labs acquired the IP address and website from Mr. Zerlan for 100,000.

(...)

Butterfly Labs earns mining income from their burn testing of machines

Page 3/7: http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190032/Butterfly-Labs-Production-of-Requested-Information-December-6-2013
327  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: April 22, 2014, 02:35:03 PM
@Inaba

I found this bit interesting.  Care to explain?

Quote
One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder, Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL. Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)

Are BFL using your former mining pool to "test" new miners until they are almost totally unprofitable before sending them out?  



To answer your question:


Quote

Re: Butterfly Labs Production of Requested Information

(...)

[to] Kate Mahoney, Assistant United States Attorney

(...)

The following information is submitted on behalf of Sonny Vleisides in response to your inquiry regarding various documents and information related to Butterfly Labs and Sonny Vleisides.

(...)

Eclipse Mining Consortium was a website that Butterfly Labs purchased from Josh Zerlan in 2012.

(...)

Butterfly Labs acquired the IP address and website from Mr. Zerlan for 100,000.

(...)

Butterfly Labs earns mining income from their burn testing of machines

Page 3/7: http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190032/Butterfly-Labs-Production-of-Requested-Information-December-6-2013
328  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: April 22, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
329  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: April 22, 2014, 12:05:09 PM
Finally! After weeks and weeks turned into years of fraud and deceit, a fantastic piece of investigative journalism! Cyrus Farivar, you da man!

Digging for answers: The “strong smell” of fraud from one Bitcoin miner maker

A Butterfly Labs exec loses a probation hearing, but details from the case are worse.

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Vleisides’ probation officer, Courtney Pierce, filed a violation report with the Missouri federal judge handling his case (just over two months after Ars published our first articles about Butterfly Labs and its mining machines). In her memo to the judge, Pierce wrote that Vleisides was now an employee of and the dominant shareholder in BFL, a company which "advertises all of its technology for purchase through pre-order... Vleisides did not seek the express approval of the probation officer prior to engaging in a business that involves the solicitation of funds through pre-orders."

She continued:

The Probation Office has been notified by the US Postal Inspection Service that hundreds of complaints have been filed against BFL from individuals who have placed pre-orders for hardware from BFL.

The seriousness of Vleisides' instant offense [the lottery scam], coupled with his current involvement in a somewhat similar business enterprise are cause for concern.

...

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Judge Kays expressed clear reservations about BFL's business and Vleisides' involvement in a company taking so much cash up front. He ordered two supplementary years of supervision for Vleisides, along with a new set of conditions that include regular government access to his "person, his property, house, residence, office, vehicle, papers, computer, other electronic communication or data, storage devices or media, and effects." He said Vleisides must work with Pierce "to communicate, create transparencies. Any loan, especially $64,000 or whatever it is, is something she needs to know about before it's made, no matter [what]."

The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

"Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with."

More here: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/
330  Economy / Speculation / Re: Right now - The single most important Breakout on: April 15, 2014, 11:23:22 PM
Volume creeping up, China waking up.   It's breakout time!!





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331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom Tweets: Bitcoin: The currency of the future? Everyone should use it. on: April 15, 2014, 06:11:44 PM
Kim Dotcom is changing is mind to often i wouldnt listen him to much.

[2012] I heard Kim Dotcom is buying Bitcoin. [/2012]
332  Economy / Speculation / Re: Today is the big day on: April 14, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
amazon banned bitcoin #theNextChina  Wink
333  Economy / Speculation / Re: SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer on: April 10, 2014, 11:43:40 PM
Quote
Big milestone today for Bitcoin Investment Trust -- now holds over 100,000 bitcoin

https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/454391450353295360
334  Economy / Speculation / Re: "I guarantee there will be another Bitcoin price bubble" on: April 08, 2014, 10:06:51 PM

$1000M dollar is nothing, do you realize that right?

If you want another bitcoin bubble you need another $20 Billion+


Heh. Heheh. Uhm, no. $20 Million more like.

What you need is a sane way to invest serious money.

And that's it. The money will follow.
335  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: April 08, 2014, 09:37:45 PM
http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04 Complaint.pdf

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15. Defendant BF Labs, Inc. was formed July 2011. The majority of stock in Defendant was and continues to be held or controlled by Mr. Sonny Vleisides.

16. At the time of the formation of Defendant through the present, Mr. Vleisides was serving a term of supervised release for a felony conviction for Mail Fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341, in the United States District Court for the Central

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37. Defendant has utilized the funds from customer’s pre-payments for:
(a) the paid in full, unfinanced purchase of a residence in Leawood,
Kansas for Mr. Sonny Vleisides;
(b) an automobile for Mr. Sonny Vleisides; and
(c) hundreds of thousands dollars in loans to shareholders of
Defendant.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #B9nrIrxfCN9qCMgU

Better late than never. I wonder if criminal charges for mail fraud will follow?
336  Economy / Speculation / Re: I AM HODLING on: March 28, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
I BELIEV IN GODL PARITY
337  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prepare for March 16 Dip on: March 12, 2014, 09:50:09 PM

No no no! Surely, you mean:

BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH!

I like Marchmember

*sigh*

Not much of a soothsayer.
338  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prepare for March 16 Dip on: March 12, 2014, 09:37:16 PM

Remember remember the 16th of Marchmember.


No no no! Surely, you mean:

BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH!
339  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bad News Speculation: Next Flash Crash??? on: March 12, 2014, 08:08:14 PM
What's left?  Excuse my naivete, but I'm having trouble imagining any bigger or badder news than what we've already seen to have any real or lasting impact on this train near future.

Bitcoinica could collapse,
BTCST could sink,
GLBSE could disappear,
the Silk Road could be seized or shuttered,
regulators could ban bitcoin,
a technical bug could fork the blockchain,
or, worst of all, MtGox could implode.

If none of these risks end up killing Bitcoin, what serious risks remain?

*cough* BTC-e *cough*

The prospect of impending doom is greatly diminished.
340  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [WHITEPAPER] Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Markets on: February 28, 2014, 09:37:07 PM
Enormously interesting. Top of my reading list.


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