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321  Economy / Speculation / so mt.gox volume is at 12.8k at the moment on: March 03, 2013, 03:49:14 AM
The counter isn't reset right? it's just a past 24 hour average?

is the volume meaningful to anyone?
322  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Official Gox / CoinLab Integration and Transition FAQ on: March 03, 2013, 03:23:25 AM
I think a lot of you guys are undervaluing this transition. The more bitcoin companies become integrated into the US economy and follow all the laws and regulations that are in place.... the more it protects bitcoin itself. If more and more companies use bitcoin in the US and fully comply with the laws there exists a legitimacy that didn't before. Right now the news only talks about silk road. It's better to have them talking about legitimate things. just my opinion
323  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BitcoinStore launching with 0% margin on: March 02, 2013, 09:07:17 PM
ordered > Acer Aspire One AOD270-26Dkk 10.1" LED Netbook - Intel Atom N2600 1.60 GHz
324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Service inthe works: sell btc for cash in any country and pickitup @ loc near u on: March 02, 2013, 06:51:54 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19igpd/service_in_the_works_sell_your_bitcoin_for_cash/
325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Service inthe works: sell btc for cash in any country and pickitup @ loc near u on: March 02, 2013, 06:50:35 AM
Did anyone see this small gem from the liberty conference? Interesting news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MJCLCQ8zTC4#t=233s
326  Economy / Speculation / What will the price do when the reward halves again in November of 2016? on: March 02, 2013, 06:45:11 AM
yeah yeah... the new coins that are a subsidy don't account for a great percentage that are in circulation. But it's still meaningful.
327  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Do online and offline wallet computers need to have the same operating system? on: March 02, 2013, 04:50:35 AM
Any OS that handles USB keys will work (and runs Armory).   See the Armory Quick Start Guide

As for memorizing the data... it's a lot of data, and it's not in a good form to memorize it.  As Justus pointed out, you would want to memorize the root key and chain code, since all private keys are derived from that, but it is 64 bytes (128 hex characters).  I don't know if you can/should try to memorize that.  And I don't support any such activities that lead to your life savings going to the grave with you when you get hit by a bus ... Smiley

ahaa. Well I wouldn't plan to not make any backups. I would just feel an additional layer of security if I also had it memorized. 128 is not hard for me. I did a bet once when I was little where I remembered pie to 100 digits in I think 1 hour.

I don't really know what a deterministic wallet is so I'll read about it.

So there is a root key and a chain code and it derives more than one private key?

With a deterministic wallet, there is a root piece of information (in Armory it's a "Root Key" and "Chain Code", in other applications it's just a "seed").  In all cases, that root information is used to derive all addresses ever created by the wallet.  If the wallet is destroyed, you can "Restore Paper Backup" and put that data back in, and it will generate the same [almost-]infinite sequenece of addresses it did the first time.

Even more importantly, because of the algorithm it uses to derive the private keys, you can actually generate the same sequence of addresses only knowing the public keys.  Hence the "watching-only wallet" -- you copy it once from the offline computer to online computer (it's just a copy of the wallet but without the private keys blanked out), and it will produce the same sequence of public keys (and hence, addresses) as the full wallet does on the offline computer.  So you can use the watching-only wallet identically to a full wallet (generate addresses, monitor incoming payments), but you just can't send funds without getting a signature from the offline computer.

I think the process is documented well enough in the program itself, and there's the Offline Wallet Tutorial for backup.  Let me know if you still find anything confusing!

-Alan

I'm fairly comfortable with the idea and I am going to give it a try. One question I have though... you mention "private keys" in plural.  Doesn't it just generate one private key? (is there a point of a wallet having more than 1 private key? I know having multiple public keys can be good because you may not want people watching your transactions)

On a last note... I heard in an upcoming bitcoin client release (not sure if it's true) that they will some integrate vanity addresses. Is that also possible with armory?
328  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Do online and offline wallet computers need to have the same operating system? on: March 02, 2013, 03:53:02 AM
Any OS that handles USB keys will work (and runs Armory).   See the Armory Quick Start Guide

As for memorizing the data... it's a lot of data, and it's not in a good form to memorize it.  As Justus pointed out, you would want to memorize the root key and chain code, since all private keys are derived from that, but it is 64 bytes (128 hex characters).  I don't know if you can/should try to memorize that.  And I don't support any such activities that lead to your life savings going to the grave with you when you get hit by a bus ... Smiley

ahaa. Well I wouldn't plan to not make any backups. I would just feel an additional layer of security if I also had it memorized. 128 is not hard for me. I did a bet once when I was little where I remembered pie to 100 digits in I think 1 hour.

I don't really know what a deterministic wallet is so I'll read about it.

So there is a root key and a chain code and it derives more than one private key?

edit: what advantages would there be of using armory  to say... just going to bitaddress.org and printing out a paper wallet backup?  I guess you could perform transactions easier with armory so if you spent your coins often it would help....
329  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Official Gox / CoinLab Integration and Transition FAQ on: March 02, 2013, 03:07:23 AM
Totally agree,

Sorry Vess, i dont know you. I dont care how exciting you are with bitcoin. I'm trusting Mark , not you.


Nemesis, Mark has sold your info to Peter.  Why would trust Mark in light of that fact?

Worse than that. He sold the info and you dont get compensated.

People should support localbitcoins.com rather than letting a few guys have control over all your data.

Mt gox has to expand. If they simply hired someone directly then you would have to trust someone new with your data. So either way you are going to be trusting someone new simply due to growth.  It makes sense for them to partition out their company. If bitcoin is going to grow since it is a borderless, stateless money then you don't want a monolithic exchange that is centered somewhere. Partitioned all over the place is a much better idea.
330  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Official Gox / CoinLab Integration and Transition FAQ on: March 02, 2013, 02:52:27 AM
The killer app for a Bitcoin exchange would be to give customers an account number they can use for ACH push transactions and direct deposit.

Is this really possible? can they get this done? is it in the realm of possiblity? Would it meant that you could direct deposit and could convert your salary instantly to bitcoins?

331  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Do online and offline wallet computers need to have the same operating system? on: March 02, 2013, 02:48:31 AM
one other related question........ will armory let you see your own private key on the offline computer in case you want to memorize it as well?
332  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Do online and offline wallet computers need to have the same operating system? on: March 02, 2013, 02:28:54 AM
thanks. I guess i'll get a netbook after all then.
333  Bitcoin / Armory / Do online and offline wallet computers need to have the same operating system? on: March 02, 2013, 02:24:16 AM
Suppose you want to sign transactions with the offline computer. Is it necessary they are the same OS?
334  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Official Gox / CoinLab Integration and Transition FAQ on: March 02, 2013, 01:26:40 AM
Have you had any issues with the authorities or anyone from the government in the US? Does everything seem okay on that end?
335  Other / Beginners & Help / Should 25cents worth of BTC be considered a microtransaction? on: March 01, 2013, 07:19:19 AM
JW
336  Economy / Marketplace / Pre loaded raspberry pi's.. anyone interested?(for armory wallets) on: March 01, 2013, 06:08:22 AM
I was wondering if there was a market interest for raspberry pi's preloaded with linux on their SD cards. The primary use of these is for Armory. If you don't know armory is a way to have your wallet on two computers. One online and one offline. The offline one is untouchable by hackers and it holds your private keys. It's useful though because you can still create a transaction on the online computer and sign it with your offline one.

I see one "kit" is on amazon for 89.95. It's probably possible to get a lower price

so is anyone interested?
Would you want armory to already be installed or not? I haven't used raspberrian but installing is usually easy in linux these days.
337  Other / Off-topic / The bank of america word list on: March 01, 2013, 05:16:55 AM
As some of you know bitcoin is on the list.

Quote
states that the data "clearly shows that the research was sloppy, random and valueless."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/anonymous-hack-of-bank-of-america-google-2013-2#ixzz2MGJvodFo

Does anyone actually believe that? My theory: the random and valueless words inserted were just to keep people(the researchers themselves)  from knowing what they are really interested in. I bet bitcoin wasn't so random.
338  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin , deflation and slashdot on: March 01, 2013, 03:59:01 AM
I've been skimming around the boards on the internet lately... and it seems that one of the most widespread misgivings about bitcoin from people who think they understand it is the "deflationary spiral".

So I'd thought I'd take a shot at showing why they are wrong.

Deflation. If bitcoin deflates and the price rises... how does that hurt the users of that currency? Does it make it harder to transact larger purchases? No, it makes it easier. Does it make it harder to transact small purchases of less value since the bitcoins price is increasing? Not if we compare it to the dollar. Compared to the dollar... the lowest unit is a satoshi or 1 / 100 millionth. This means that if we were to say that the smallest unit of a dollar (the penny) is worth the same as the smallest unit of a bitcoin.......... the price of ONE bitcoin would have to rise to 1 million dollars per btc for this to happen. So in order for the deflation aspect of bitcoin to harm users in any way(the theoretical harm here is that the price is so much that it makes transactions more difficult) ... would mean that it would have to deflate to 1 million dollars. IF we are comparing it to the dollar. The argument "deflation causes hoarding" is the exact same as what I just described. The price would rise from hoarding. And it would only cause hypothetical issues at 1 million dollars per bitcoin. So if bitcoin deflation doesn't hurt users transacting with one another.. does it hurt acquiring them? Not really. If you have enough money to buy 1 bitcoin but wait for a year... and then the price has doubled you can still buy .5 bitcoin and you would have the same purchasing power as you would have had. So it doesn't hurt users transacting with other users... and it doesn't hurt acquiring them.. what does it hurt?


There is a second big mistake I see some people making...... and it's that the deflationary aspect of bitcoin causes the economy harm. Really? Just 5 years ago bitcoin didn't exist. Dollars existed. And now bitcoin exists and dollars still exist. So how could ANY aspect of bitcoin cause harm to the economy? Especially a deflationary one. That makes no sense whatsoever. They seem to be thinking from a philosophical standpoint as if bitcoin was the only currency that existed.  The truth is that competition is good. A new currency is good and people having more choice cannot cause harm except for those who don't use the right currency for their needs.

This brings me to my next point... frequently those who say deflation is a problem argue that prices are a problem because the money deflates. Once again........ this argument seems to be made from a philosophical standpoint and not a realistic one. Bitcoin isn't the only currency. So if it's value is volatile then you can just connect it to something less volatile(as is already being done).

And even if bitcoin ends up being used for larger transactions... there are even more alternatives now. Other cryptocurrencies. With our modern digital age it is no longer a problem to exchange from one currency to another and it is only going to get easier.




339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Rise And Rise of Bitcoin on: March 01, 2013, 02:52:16 AM
Looks like it wasn't premature!
340  Economy / Speculation / Re: CoinLab News = Price collapse on: March 01, 2013, 01:37:40 AM
This idea requires cooperation between your clients which isn't realistic unless anonymous. So really, you can as well have these coin ranges in a form of a public but anonymous ledger. Anybody who knew his/her id in the ledger would be able to verify quickly that their coins are on display. No overlaps possible. No communication needed Smiley A completely transparent bank.

if you could prove that your coins were there how does that prove that extra coins aren't there?
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