Democracy is about deciding who decide what and how.
Bitcoin is about deciding who own what and how.
For me it s like comparing 2 different things...
This is a very good distinction. |
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Yes, I am not able to make inductive arguments based upon assumptions.
I agree, so far from my reading of what you've said, you clearly aren't able to do so. hazek is talking to you about what a free market can accomplish. You deny what he says simply based on a claim that "a free market is a myth". If you actually understood argumentation, you would know that your response is entirely nonsequitorial -- it doesn't actually argue anything that disproves what hazek said. That is to say: you are not even talking with him, you're talking past him. So, how about responding to the aaaaaaaaaargument? www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODu02R_gA&feature=youtu.be&t=17m13s |
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Utter nonsense. The notion of a free market is a myth.
I notice a serious lack of actual argument here. Can you start participating in the conversation like you mean it? Thanks. |
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By the way:
This is another thread littered with the emotional droppings of AugustoCreepo and FirstAsshat.
I highly suggest to everyone here to please add these assballs to your ignore list and ignore what they say. They're empty-headed emotional wreckballs of hate. The more attention you give them, the more they fulfill their goal: sabotaging discussion of ideas that terrify them.
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I think you need to read history and learn how rulers rise to power. It's amazing how you apply such a lack of imagination to ideas which challenge your dream society. Regarding AnCap, I can't think of a more optimal playground for a power grab.
Since you clearly have this well-planned out, if you were making a power grab in an AnCap society, just how would you go about it? I don't have it planned out. I'm not really interested in power. I don't think you have it planned out either. Consider these terms though: economics, wealth, inequality, disenchantment, minimal laws, complacency, cults, charisma, takeovers, buyouts, rallies, speeches, terrorism, sabotage, propaganda, influence, mob, poverty, etc. Do you ever do anything but list concepts? Do you ever combine those concepts? Ever put them in an order that makes sense? Or is life just one big word cloud for you? He chickened out of explaining what he claimed would be so easy to do. Typical FirstAsshat behavior. His credibility isn't zero -- it's negative. |
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Sociopaths also will exist in AnCap, and render their personal brand of hell in all their ways within such a society as well. What is your point again? In a free society the damage sociopaths can cause to society will finally be limited to what they can accomplish via their own efforts instead of amplified by access to armies, nuclear weapons, police forces and taxation. Well said. |
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I watched part 2 (sociopaths) today as I drove to work in my T/A. It was a FANTASTIC video. As usual, Stef hits it out of the ballpark.
Do you remember the part where he talks about how sociopaths respond to being unmasked? I remember that part, yes. That's precisely why this thread is so amusing. Lotsa sociopaths showing their fangs around here. |
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Note your last post before this one. How hypocritical.
When rational discourse fails - and he tried - what is left? You are an asshat. But I dislike echochambers, so rather than confine myself to libertarian and anarchist boards, I come here where I may be exposed to alternative viewpoints. If I ignored all the asshats on here, I might as well just head back to The Shire Society boards. I seem to recall in the other popular thread poor behavior on his part. If you wish to be exposed to alternative viewpoints, you are on the wrong board. You ensconce yourself in a gang of people here just like you. I am the minority here. You are the one engaged in group think. And if I'm an asshat, you're twice an asshat, but ensconced as you are amongst your buddies here, you can scream it louder than me. This is the politics section of an alternative currency board. Bitcoin is bigger than libertarianism. There are some shared goals, and at least Neal Stephenson thinks Bitcoin-like currency spells the end of the State (Diamond Age), but anarchists are hardly the only ones interested in Bitcoin. Thus the fairly lively discussions when they're not ruined by asshats like yourself, who seek only to tear down others' ideas, rather than presenting your own. Very well said. And yes, indeed, he is an asshat. Grade A asshat. |
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Please don't imply or directly state that I am an asshat again. At best, your statement is hypocrisy, and at worst, an admission of your own asshattery, regardless of what I am.
I'll say it in big letters so you won't miss it: You are an asshat.You openly accuse people like me and other people in this thread of being "a breeding ground for criminal organizations". You are a liar and a scumbag who badmouths people solely because they don't share your religious sycophancy of authority. I've said it before. I believe AnCap is a breeding ground for criminal organizations. It's the ultimate petri dish for unethical behavior, power plays, crime, gangs, etc.
Fuck you. Suck a bag of dicks, shithead.Killfile'd. |
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This looks more like monopoly money than federal reserve notes to me.  Agreed on the colored notes, but definitely not on the coins. The coins look like U.S. government money as much as your coins do, Casascius. Let's hope you don't become the next von NotHaus. Are you ready to spend some time in the big house? |
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As I said, you will find sociopaths in a fascistic government, just as you will find roses in a garden. That is the relation. You will find individuals with psychological disorder in other political regimes as well. This does not prove that there is an exclusive relationship of fascism with sociopathy. No one ever did, except in the straw man you made up in your head so you could knock it down with definitions. It only proves that individuals with psychological disorder can be found participating in any political regime. You are failing to explain what is the relationship between fascism and sociopathy.
Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses. Because it gives power to anyone who can get elected, or otherwise seize that power, a skill at which sociopaths excel. You answer is literally the same nonsense implying that sociopaths are individuals conspiring to overtake a political regime. So, again, is your argument that the sociopaths won't want the power, or that the government does not provide a means to that power? He has no argument -- only hate for you, because you've stated that Daddy Gummint (the authority figures) is a sociopath, and how dare you say that about Daddy? Ergo, he won't engage with you rationally -- he will only try to defame and discredit you. |
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The crowdfunding act was written in order to ensure that crowdfunding would be a stillborn enterprise -- to limit access to crowdfunding to a few powerful players, so that the existing mechanisms of wealth transfer from poor to rich (IPOs, stock market, bonds, et cetera) remain unchallenged.
Anyone who understand why government does what it does can see this.
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Breaking a contract may not be a crime, but you can still certainly be sued for it. No you cannot. All contracts have to made in the legal tender of the land to be recognised by the court of the land. If you cannot pay your taxes in it, it's not legal tender. There are plenty of contracts that do not involve money at all. Agreed. "Legal tender" is a red herring. Contracts -- defensible in courts oflaw -- may be entered into by any two or more people regarding promises of performance that do not need legal tender. I don't know where these armchair lawyers appear, but they sure as fuck have no idea what the contents of their holy pieces of paper actually say. |
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To give an example of how far Iran has to go to avoid any U.S. dollars, look at how they sell oil.
First they ship the oil for sale to Turkey. They cannot be paid in dollars so they take Turkish Lira. Then they go shopping for gold bars in Istanbul. The gold is then brought in small amounts to Dubai by couriers. From there the gold can be used to buy things Iran needs.
This gets Iranians +1 cleverness points in my book. A peaceful solution to an agressive threat by sociopaths. |
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jgarzik is quite right. The SHA-256 algorithm is property of the US and export regulations for SHA-256 expressively forbid exporting the algorithm or products based on the algorithm to Iran.
Why are people ignoring this fact. It is illegal. It's not a fact, and it isn't even legally correct, to say that SHA-256 is "property" of anyone. People doing business as "U.S. government" may threaten you with a cage if you give an implementation of SHA-256 to people they dislike, but that doesn't mean "SHA-256 is their property" -- it only means that these people are sociopaths. |
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Besides, why the hell are we to accept getting bossed around by the USA all the time? USA is imposing all kinds of regulations internationally. It's their algorithm. US government institutions (NIST and NSA) invented it and own it. You have no idea what you're saying. The algorithm isn't even patented or copyrighted -- when the U.S. government produces any intellectual inventions, they are not property of anyone. Read the law before talking nonsense. |
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Seems to me that it's also expressively forbidden for US citizens to create and distribute currencies? Liberty Dollars was killed because the issuer behaved in a way that was clearly intended to defraud customers (designing the Liberty Dollar to look like US Dollars and encouraging businesses to give change to USD customers in Liberty Dollars without informing the customer). Stopping the issuer stopped the currency. This is a lie -- in fact, it was the lie that was used to cage von NotHaus. Liberty Dollars looked nothing like U.S. dollars -- the prosecution made the whole thing up to have an excuse to put von NotHaus in a cage. |
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"If you don't like being bombed, you can moooooooooooooove".
"Nice" to hear rape apologist argumentation here. Apparently, blaming victims for their "choices" never goes out of style.
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These democ-rats hate themselves for supporting a capitalist invention. Therefore, they try to fool themselves and repeat again and again that bitcoin is not capitalist but democratic. They don't get it. In the kingdom of lies voluntarism has been called democracy, and democracy (and other ways of collectivism) has been called capitalism, so in their perverted minds this sentence is totally correct: 'The system sucks because it's capitalist, and Bitcoin is cool because is democratic'. The problem is that their ignorance is what feeds the system, destroying capitalism, ergo voluntarism. This makes them fight in real world vs private earnings, private investment, private whatever... because they have also associated the word private with the word capitalism, so this turns them into red ants fighting vs evolution and vs their own interest. Making them work for the interest of the democracy leaders. As Rudd-O pointed: Unfortunately, I don't think you are going to convince your interlocutor that his slave suggestion boxes are slave suggestion boxes -- his brain is too putrefact with staazi propaganda that portraya the box as a direct line to his gods where he can grovel to the gods to please save him from evil people who just want to be left alone and not be violated.
Do this people understand that the investors this time are they (we)? Probably not. Will this be a problem in the future? Probably yes. Agreed. Self-hate is rampant. |
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It is capitalist. A group of people have entered into a complex contract involving fixed rules and cryptographic signatures. Currency is generated by proof of effort and is dispensed from there via the free market.
We all agreed to the same contract, but that is not the same as voting.
Yup. The contract is in software, and using the software (a voluntary, non-imposed, true choice) implies that one accepts how the software works. No such thing can be said about the imaginary social contract that people seeking to impose on others peddle. |
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