Monero is the future.
nope, darkcoin is the future  nope, xcoin is the future. (wayback machine engaged) |
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"Unfortunately, there's a serious superbeing shortage, so patch author J. Random Hacker is left with two choices:
Ban all entrepreneurial software development then. And watch your socialist hell collapse into massive poverty. Superman lives but Multiple Sclerosis is a form of Kryptonite. I guess you fail to understand that I wrote CoolPage all by myself. And I wrote most of WordUp by myself. Both were notable commercial successes. sit on the patch, or throw it into the pool for free.
I am not sitting on a patch. Even if I told you the design, it can't be implemented in Monero. You must start over again. There is no choice. So who will build out that entirely new code base? You need either a team or a Superman or preferably both. Do you think that if I released those ideas without code that they will spontaneously code themselves  The first choice gains nothing.
I am not sitting on anything. There was another choice. Do not sit on it but also do not throw into a socialist pool where either nothing with happen (likely because so very few people are capable of implementing a new code base apparently), or it will have 100 copycat implementations destroying the chance of any one of them having the momentum to really change anything. Monero could end up being a prime example of that effect and it was even already implemented by Cryptonote. The second choice may gain nothing, or it may encourage reciprocal giving from others that will address some of J. Random's problems in the future. The second choice, apparently altruistic, is actually optimally selfish in a game-theoretic sense."
Yeah if it is patch. But there is no way Eric would be stupid enough to write that about something which is not a patch. Altruist giving isn't going to occur by releasing some unimplemented designs. He would argue release often into the public domain of open source, while also driving the development forward. And he would be correct, except that I also understand we are making a cryptocoin and it needs some exclusivity pre-launch else it won't be able to gain any momentum at launch. After launch, then of course all code improvements should be released immediately into the public domain open source. Do you read what you write (or quote)?
Yes and I also understand what I read.  If you have this great thing and you don't release it, you're a dick and you deserve to languish in the "what if?" Hell of your own making. But if you do release it, you may make some money and you may make the world a better place. I'm sure if you don't get rich, you can at least drop your own name and maybe get a blowjob out of it.  I want to release it. Why do you think I was bitching about not being able to find anyone to hire or collaborate with. But I won't throw a non-patch into a pool which doesn't exist because I am not stupid. I understand what can and can't be effective. As far as the political issue goes, you run into the problem of people living in fear from their and other governments--governments term this in "be afraid of us" or "be afraid of them." I don't think that github translates when a real gun held by a real man can take away your real life--now, sometime in the future when our minds are distributed over networks, then you might have a case for this non-political answer to politics. But for now, 'merica and her allies can throw-up an image of the Taliban and get people to give up freedoms they wouldn't have ever dreamt of before 9/11--of course posting scare articles and rants about Big-Brother government is using the same political scare mechanism--just sayin'.
I am not trying to save the morons from themselves. I am hoping to accelerate their self-destruction so we can get on with cleansed world. A very good anonymous internet and money in a exponentially expanding Knowledge Age could help accelerate the collapse while also providing refuge for those who are not morons. Honestly, how can anyone be sure that works for coding works in the real world as well, if at all? The coding world is chock-full of Idealist and Rationals and the real world (the far greater percentage of the population) is filled with Guardians and Artisans--a small theoretically minded percent of the population versus an overwhelmingly real-world minded set of the population, who wins?
Hitler was an Artisan. Guardians Their idea of guardian is moar debt-funded, welfare spending. They are self-destructors, walking hand grenades. Especially when the greater percentage is holding most of the guns?
I believe most of the guns are held by those few (3 million perhaps) who believe in individual sovereignty and small government. Perhaps they are outnumbered in firepower by the USG. I think if you make a better system that works easy for everyone, you'll be closer to the world you want to live in, but barring being better, stronger, faster, more adaptable than the controlled systems you are competing against, you will need to change the political will of the people. I think you are being myopic when you assert the knowledge age is pervasive enough to compete another way.
You don't need to change the will of all the people, just the people who matter economically. I figure those people who don't want to prioritize working with me already fail that test., lol Either you need others or you don't. Sounds like you've got it all worked out: just find the person(s) that you complain aren't helping you or don't exist and you're on your way. Sorry I offered any input that contradicted this plan. |
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King opens his toybox...
200 and some years ago, before there was a town in the Old Duchy, and when the Old Duke was reigning,
he got a son. He made the son a toybox according to the custom, and the son was playing happily with his few toys.
The son became a King, and the toybox was only found in 1600 during the preparations for the earthquake.
The contents had been decayed beyond repair with the exception of a few copper tokens.
*--*
The Char DB tab /F_OWN shows the situation with the coppers, as well as many other things of course.
Most of the coppers are from unique or near-unique years, so there is not much to offer to the collectors. Some of them are so old that the natural hoarding instinct of the King prevents the sale of them (he did not expend a thought to the coppers during 200 years but once they were found, the affinity quickly returned).
The tokens are useless but the reason why someone might be interested in buying them is that they are the oldest items in existence. The rules say that no more Ancient items may ever be created, and these coppers from 1300s and 1400s are Very or Most Ancient.
COT1368 (11 exist, 3rd oldest coin, 2 for sale): 50 mil
COT1391 (12 exist, very ancient, 4 for sale): 20 mil
COT1405 (7 exist, older than town, 4 for sale): 16 mil
COT1434 (37 exist, most ancient, 6 for sale): 8 mil
("exist" means total in existence, I don't own all the coppers, the church is the largest owner for some reason..!)
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I am dismayed. My inventions are real and could potentially save the planet, yet no one is helping.
Why should I open source my ideas prematurely losing all the profit from being the first to launch a coin based around these technologies? That is inane. Fuck if the world won't even let me be rewarded for all my effort, then maybe the world doesn't deserve to be saved.
It is incredibly fucking ridiculous.
"Unfortunately, there's a serious superbeing shortage, so patch author J. Random Hacker is left with two choices: sit on the patch, or throw it into the pool for free. The first choice gains nothing. The second choice may gain nothing, or it may encourage reciprocal giving from others that will address some of J. Random's problems in the future. The second choice, apparently altruistic, is actually optimally selfish in a game-theoretic sense." Do you read what you write (or quote)? If you have this great thing and you don't release it, you're a dick and you deserve to languish in the "what if?" Hell of your own making. But if you do release it, you may make some money and you may make the world a better place. I'm sure if you don't get rich, you can at least drop your own name and maybe get a blowjob out of it. As far as the political issue goes, you run into the problem of people living in fear from their and other governments--governments term this in "be afraid of us" or "be afraid of them." I don't think that github translates when a real gun held by a real man can take away your real life--now, sometime in the future when our minds are distributed over networks, then you might have a case for this non-political answer to politics. But for now, 'merica and her allies can throw-up an image of the Taliban and get people to give up freedoms they wouldn't have ever dreamt of before 9/11--of course posting scare articles and rants about Big-Brother government is using the same political scare mechanism--just sayin'. Honestly, how can anyone be sure that works for coding works in the real world as well, if at all? The coding world is chock-full of Idealist and Rationals and the real world (the far greater percentage of the population) is filled with Guardians and Artisans--a small theoretically minded percent of the population versus an overwhelmingly real-world minded set of the population, who wins? Especially when the greater percentage is holding most of the guns? Now, in some future time when corporate systems take control and the border states have been more thoroughly weened onto the super efficient systems of drone armies and cyber weapons, then we'll have a conversation. I think if you make a better system that works easy for everyone, you'll be closer to the world you want to live in, but barring being better, stronger, faster, more adaptable than the controlled systems you are competing against, you will need to change the political will of the people. I think you are being myopic when you assert the knowledge age is pervasive enough to compete another way. |
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What's the easiest way to buy gold?
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BCN and its fraudulent 82% ninja premine is one I don't respect, at all.
Yes. I know this is your view for a year now. You act like no one into BCN and cryptonote heard your view. They did. It's a top ten coin anyway. Monero isn't. Not even close. The XMR BCT Spam tsunami didn't work. Get over it.  Queen for a day, whore for life. You do know that when the pump loses its power, the p does a 180? |
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You know, you guys could actually come and contribute to the first legitimate, fairly launched, fully open source cryptonote currency, which has support from an actual public, vibrant, and growing community.
Yes, you do have a legitimate, fairly launched and open source cryptonote currency. Good for you! Why not just stick with it and respect others, Good, Bad and Ugly. I guess we should respect the Paycoin developers as well. Clearly my moral compass needs tuning. Have you been in contact with any EMP's lately? For say 25 minutes or so? www.naturalnews.com/029556_electromagnetic_pulse_brain.html# |
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You're missing my point.
Trust me, you are missing the point. Facebook is used by a lot of users and the governments monitoring those users. I'm saying private networks won't work until there is a political/social will to move to those networks.
No, no, no. You'll never get there if you expect to teach people to prefer what they don't prefer. Never. You broke the fundamental rule of marketing. To put it simple: either your network has to be better: easier to use and more efficient and more profitable...
Exactly. People have to want to use it because they like it better, makes them more productive, improves their profitability, gives them ways to do things which they are currently prevented from doing, etc.. That is why I said it all about doing the code to make that a reality. Not about politics. And yes, making it incredibly easy-to-use. Now go study again my marketing of CoolPage. Who knows ease of use? And who knows what people want? I am talking too much. Politics is the art of convincing people of what they really want. Why you are conflating marketing into this is beyond me. So make it better or use politics to get people to want it. But remember, that if the politically powerful want to control something, they aren't afraid, or above, using politics to get it. So since there isn't a political strategy guiding any of this, I'll leave it alone--I was initially asking if there was one and where do i find it, but that got lost in the conversation. You could have just said "no" or "not to my knowledge." |
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distribution
it's old and distiributed properly between investors
Some of your fellow dashers think Otoh owns ~20% of the masternodes my fellows? i sold it same day it changed its name to dash that rhymes with crash. I think dev was trying to give us a hint..not invested/interested anymore. it made me good profit in past when it was drk so nothing against it either. Good for you. Doesn't change my point, but glad it was a clean exit for you. |
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Definitely a serious issue. "DEVs" are looking to jump ship, but they want to keep selling at these ridiculous prices to suckers before they leave, based on artificial price action expectations. You have been warned.
If the Devs wanted to scam people, they would introduce a simple wallet and push eject--instead they are creating an enterprise level GUI. Your warning sucks almost as bad as your power of observation. |
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Weird that Torvalds line applies to you most days-- Definitely. If you think you can defeat political powers without the use of politics...
The politics of the Knowledge Age is delivering code that causes people to use it en masse. I did that for example with Cool Page at the end of 1998, where by 2000 or so, it had 335,000 verified websites according to AltaVista ("link:3dize.com" was the query) and the internet population was 1/10 of what it is now. Imagine little ole me creating 3.35 million hardcore users of something in today's population. And I was just getting started when my eye got exploded by a GI pipe and had to spend 2000 - 2002 in surgeries. So what I am saying is that politics of this new age is about doing and creating something that people are compelled to use. And then they do. And they discover, "hey this works better, fuck the old world". And with that, the old world crumbles away... There is still talking involved, e.g. marketing, design, business development, economic theory work, etc.. Not just programming. But programming is an essential component. Use is the key. Let me repeat that again. Use. Use. Use. You're missing my point. Facebook is used by a lot of users and the governments monitoring those users. I'm saying private networks won't work until there is a political/social will to move to those networks. It's like fast food, most people won't accept that it is bad for them until it is too late or someone in power tells them. Making healthy foods alone won't do the trick. Motivation is key. Let me repeat that again. Motivation. Motivation. Motivation. To put it simple: either your network has to be better: easier to use and more efficient and more profitable than the monitored alternatives or the political will has to be there. I don't think you can get around this unless you only want privacy for the chosen few? |
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distribution
it's old and distiributed properly between investors
Some of your fellow dashers think Otoh owns ~20% of the masternodes
Minimum requirement to get into a budget if there is literally nothing else in there to stop you is 5% of the network in votes, so currently that's 145 votes. But say, you get 100 "no" votes, that means you will need 245 yes votes to have 5%.
Oh wow, Evan, that's pretty dangerous IMO. otoh could overwhelmingly vote anything to himself (not that he would, but he could) with 20% of the masternodes, and if the other masternode owners aren't on top of things, this could slip by! Is there a minimum amount of time that must elapse before the first payment can happen (like a month?) so there is time to get people to down vote if it's a bad idea? How much does Evan own? He mined a lot and he bought more and he cut the emission (making what he had worth more)--bouncing coins around an exchange doesn't mean that any changed hands. Either Evan is who he says he is or he's not, and with most people, past performance is indicative of future results. And Evan's past performance lined his pocket with a lot dash. |
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The core dev of BBR crypto_zoidberg (CZ) has posted about us working together.
With CZ being the only dev to make significant improvements to the cryptonote codebase [...]
this means- Monero = insignificantok this is no real news cuz we all knew the above equation... but worth a share  ~CfA~ Not sure if this was true a year ago, but today it reads absurd  Troll harder. |
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I wonder why this dash is still under the top 10? why it is not already replaced by an cryptonode coin? Because some people are consumers and when the bag of chips says Healthy Choice they take it at face value and never bother to read the label to see that it is neither healthy or that bliss point manipulation* has made it as much of a choice as a cigarette or most drugs. The cult of dash is so ingrained in the belief that it is quality tech, Evan is more genius than fraud and that their belief-system will spread like wildfire--that if Satoshi himself criticized dash, he would be met with a chorus of "He's scared of dash and only trying to sabotage his biggest competition!" * http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html?_r=0BTW, what's a cryptonode coin? |
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Illodin, from all the below all you could nitpick is bandwidth. You're reaching the bottom of the barrel.
Reasons: laziness or that the primary anti-monero posters are large holders of other coins or ignorance or a general suspicion of all things not Bitcoin. The first two won't go away any time soon, but the last two can change with facts.
--Monero is the largest most secure form of a digital cash--a digital cash must be decentralized to prevent a central power from destroying its other traits, it must be unlinkable to retain fungibility, it must be untraceable to retain fungibility, and it must be fungible--which simply means 1 xmr always equals 1 xmr (no taint).
--Monero was fairly launched and has a heavy front-end distribution to keep the costs of entering the market inexpensive.
--Monero is opensource and has at last count 29 developers with commits (one happens to be the lead Developer of Bitcoin).
--Monero has an online game that will use it as a gateway to the game's economy.
--A Finnish company is introducing a Monero investment fund.
--Open Alias (a Monero innovation that allows for you to use domains as addresses) will be part of Electrum Core.
--View Keys allow Monero to be private by default, public by choice.
--Monero's TPS is unbounded (currently 1,600 TPS).
Probably forgot a few things, but Monero isn't part of the dog and pony show that is greater fool economics. It is the evolution from physical cash to digital cash. It is needed, it is wanted, it is desired by those who want cash as part of their digital lives.
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Monero no doubt has the best technology out of all crypto coins. To put it frankly, I've been neglecting this myself. Having looked into the actual tech for the past months, I can now agree with the general consensus of reputable developers who have judged its inner workings.
However! A question that has been arising ever since seeing its numerous advantages - why is it largely ignored? The volume is very low, and there are only very few supporters. How can this be?
It's like people are buying expensive no-brand cars, if they could have a 90% discounted Lamborghini. It simply does not make any sense whatsoever not to be hyped about it. Where's your enthusiasm, folks?
Reasons: laziness or that the primary anti-monero posters are large holders of other coins or ignorance or a general suspicion of all things not Bitcoin. The first two won't go away any time soon, but the last two can change with facts. --Monero is the largest most secure form of a digital cash--a digital cash must be decentralized to prevent a central power from destroying its other traits, it must be unlinkable to retain fungibility, it must be untraceable to retain fungibility, and it must be fungible--which simply means 1 xmr always equals 1 xmr (no taint). --Monero was fairly launched and has a heavy front-end distribution to keep the costs of entering the market inexpensive. --Monero is opensource and has at last count 29 developers with commits (one happens to be the lead Developer of Bitcoin). --Monero has an online game that will use it as a gateway to the game's economy. --A Finnish company is introducing a Monero investment fund. --Open Alias (a Monero innovation that allows for you to use domains as addresses) will be part of Electrum Core. --View Keys allow Monero to be private by default, public by choice. --Monero's TPS is unbounded (currently 1,600 TPS). Probably forgot a few things, but Monero isn't part of the dog and pony show that is greater fool economics. It is the evolution from physical cash to digital cash. It is needed, it is wanted, it is desired by those who want cash as part of their digital lives. |
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But isn't part of this process convincing...
I know your trying TPTB, but...your gift is the actual building and analysis of these systems.
This is the Knowledge Age: "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds  Convincing is for politicians which are deprecated in the Knowledge Age. Millionaires who don't, won't be millionaires for much longer... Then like some christians who have a gleeful desire to see the Last Days (humanity erased ), you'll get to say, "I told you so! Now burn Mother Fucker!" Weird that Torvalds line applies to you most days-- I'd retort, "Our brains are quantum processors and language is their primary code." So talk is doing, but I think he was talking to Developers--was he not? If you think you can defeat political powers without the use of politics, you missed that you are complaining that not enough people are joining your revolution and Bitcoin is being swallowed by the politically powerful--what comes out the other side will be a control system unlike any other--more efficient, more able to micro manage behaviors, more the same old capitalism breaking the backs of the poor. Delueze made the observation that the only way to destroy capitalism is to feed it until it dies from obesity. Maybe what to make is more efficient systems to extract wealth and let greed do its thing. My guess is AI comes out the other side and we have a much different problem. |
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There must be a popular and natural commerce function that exceeds the size of the existing Industrial Age global GDP. I am envisioning a Knowledge Age economy that is orders-of-magnitude larger in value than the current global GDP. To tap into this and get it rolling is mostly technological work that needs to be done. And yet Bitcoin $millionaires who could have funded this work when they had millions, were instead smoking cigars and having (probably relatively useless) meetings at $million castles or expending the money on expensive toys such as Ferraris. They don't seem to understand the sacrifices they needed to make in 2014 to adopt anonymity procedures and get things done. It is no excuse to say that one doesn't understand technology or doesn't have time. A $millionaire can afford the necessary help to make important things happen. God entrusted this capital (talents) with them for a purpose, and not to be lazy about it or make excuses which do not make sense. We must maximize our talents on what is needed. If you do not understand the technology, then pay someone who does to advise you. And now it is getting into the late innings of the coming smashup into the NWO 666 system. I see these HODLers myopically "self-interested" with their capital being totally and completely wasted sitting idle in Monero, Bitcoin, and gold waiting for what you think is the big payoff, instead of putting (at least some of) their capital to work actually creating the technologies that are desperately needed but which do not yet exist.
You think I am insane enough to attempt to do all that work all by myself whilst everyone here pontificates and wastes precious time. Sheesh.  We are the antithesis of organized. But isn't part of this process convincing millionaires that it is in their best interest to fund development of privacy in cryptocurrency and the web? Also, if the Bitcoin millionaires are motivated by greed, then shouldn't the technologies created make privacy profitable and given how privacy makes networks more secure to use, doesn't it follow that eliminating security costs is in most everyone's interest. Furthermore, convincing the masses that privacy is liberty and security would go a long way to motivating millionaires to spend money on privacy initiatives. The convincing is political and takes the politically minded. Though i don't want to insult him or her with the word politician; Ghandi and MLK were doing political work, but no one could demean their efforts with the politician label. So I'm going to ask one more time: "Does anyone know of any writers, strategists, or theorists who have worked out or are working on a plan to convince people (a political plan) that privacy is a necessary part of our lives and brings with it more benefits than costs? " I know your trying TPTB, but using guilt and religion would make me want to go the other way if I didn't know you better. Your gift is the actual building and analysis of these systems. |
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Database testing is going really well--this is what comes before the enterprise level GUI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_softwareCrypto Kingdom is moving ahead and beta testing should begin soon: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819073.1580Risto announced a Finish company will start a Monero investment fund: https://bitcointalk.org/index.phptopic=753252.msg11919024#msg11919024Those are the big ones, but here is some other stuff: Community funded Developer (there are 29 Devs who have or are working on the coin, one commit happens to be from the current Bitcoin Lead Developer), Peter Todd had some nice things to say about Monero, XMRChina put up a countdown for 8/8 and promised something will happen then (won't give details other than it has to do with China), Chinese translation funded and complete, more translations in the works (Russian, Portuguese, Arabic) though I think those will wait until a few developer and user guides have been added to the main forum, I2p integration progressing nicely, open alias (a Monero innovation) added to electrum core, but i think those are what are driving the hype/hate circle. |
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I was not asking about the money aspect (monero handles this) or the internet aspect (TPTB and I2p are working on this), I'm asking about the political handbook, the plan, the way people get involved, excited, empowered to fight off the shackles of control systems....
It's a question, not shill-bait.
Great Empire Coin™ (GEC) is the official currency of Great Empire of Earth, is divisible into cents and mills, and has denominations of mega-, terra-, and exacoins. Earth has a heterarchical monetary authority: anyone may “mint” coins through an official channel (e.g., Writcoin) and have these coins certified “Great Empire Coin (GEC)” by the Empire. (The) United States of America < (The) Trans-Pacific Partnership < Great Empire of Earth < Administrator of Region 12-56-GHypocrites, ye know how to judge of the appearance of the earth and of the heaven; how [is it then that] ye do not discern this time?
(All additions original to Darby text.) Again, not asking about currency. Asking if there are any political theorist or strategist who have a plan on how to defeat control systems? The fact that I believe a coin (not yours, sorry) handles this aspect of the equation isn't shilling, it's being honest and is insulting your coin as I don't think it is part of the solution--you brought up the currency, so you deserve the insult. Now, bringing up a coin when no one was even talking about currency is shilling. I've been patient with you, but your cognitive dissonance in an effort to fit your agenda is annoying--enjoy your time being ignored. ...
I hear you, americanpegasus! Bitcoin is another important component asset to own "Financial Asset Diversification 101" shows us. F.A.D. also teaches us not to put all of our eggs into one basket, not even the Bitcoin one.
Yes, I have done business with BTC, just check out Veldt Gold's thread here.
Bitcoin and gold complement each other wonderfully.
Bearings count as diversification too, for those so inclined.
Police love Bitcoin and that should tell you everything you need to know. coincenter.org/2015/05/how-can-law-enforcement-leverage-the-blockchain-in-investigations/What are the most effective ways to break control systems? Ghandi and MLK had a handbook, where is ours? Private money and private internet are BIG solutions, but without political action, they may lack the users to make them effective. |
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