So do we have one of those triangle things moving in around 2 weeks or so for the big jump?

http://conservativetribune.com/mcdonalds-blow-minimum-wage/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TeaParty&utm_content=2016-11-19&utm_campaign=manualpost

I've used a McDonalds kiosk in France and Germany to order a meal. I see no reason why adding the bitcoin payment option would be a very difficult task using something like BitPay.

How do we get in touch with someone that would be the decision maker on such a deal? With minimum wage laws going into place I see a lot of these things going up across the country which could turn into bitcoin payment options everywhere.

I think most of us who have been in Bitcoin for several years will be deciding between doing our accounting First In First Out (FIFO) or Last In First Out (LIFO). You have to consider that the capital gains for short term gains is 10 to 20 percent higher than for long term gains (over a year). But the bitcoin price this year and in previous years has gone up so much that such a difference is not enough (for example, I started buying at $20 so I would not choose FIFO because my gains would be over 1000% on my initial coins).

For me, I don't think I have ever sold bitcoins (on Coinbase) for fiat. I usually spend it. So I would choose LIFO because I have my money converted to bitcoins for each paycheck. So the gains in any given 2 week period are minimal, over the course of the year when one week may be down, one may be up it will add up to a very small amount.

In the future if I were to want to cash out a large portion of my bitcoins or spend a large amount I would probably structure my holdings via some sort of Caymen Islands type of thing as opposed to paying the capital gains on thousands of percent in gains.

This is usually where people say "consult an attorney" or whatever. Fuck that, you have the Internet and you probably know a lot more about Bitcoin than those assholes. Do your own research and you'll find the best way forward.

It won't be until the next tax reporting year that the price will be up for the year since 2013. Most people will not have yearly gains to declare unless they are traders (not really a CoinBase thing) or they structure their spending differently (LIFO, FIFO, etc). I was going to go through the reporting thing last year but noticed that my spending was lower than my purchases throughout the year. The IRS doesn't care if you don't report losses.

This year I sold my house at a loss so it will more than compensate for any gains I received via spending as the price goes up.

They've always had a large amount of sells at $750. It's been bouncing off of it the past few days.

$750 wall on Bitstamp being eaten up.

I was referencing the post just before mine.

I just heard from a reputable source that Trump is gonna ban BTC.

And China is also going to regulate BTC.

 

So I was in Saigon last week. I brought about 1k euro for my 10 day trip but was low on funds the last day. I don't have any credit cards or debit card but I found a Bitcoin ATM in a little pizza place.

It was a pretty smooth process, fortunately I had a local phone sim card so I had a local number. It verified me via a SMS message and I sent my bitcoins via QR code on my phone wallet. Unfortunately it took more than 10 minutes for confirmation so I went shopping and got an SMS when the money was ready. Returned, entered the code from my phone and got my funds.

Hopefully SegWit speeds up the process and the BTM could have used better algorithms to verify that the double spend possibilities were low. I like how some BTMs allow you to do all of transactions before you even get to the machine so it is instant when you get there.

But it was good that I was able to get some quick cash via bitcoins and the shop benefited from being there since myself and my friends stuck around for a drink while we waited the 10 minutes. And my friend decided to go back to that place for dinner having read the menu.

wtf just happened?

Prove that Craig Wright owns any bitcoins.

He cannot do this, I doubt you can either.

They have been pushing every up and coming alt coin that comes along.

Their business model is to act like a legit Bitcoin news source, invest heavily into an alt coin, then pump the shit out of that coin as a better solution until they hit it big. Then move onto the next alt.

World markets did not go into freefall on Trumps win. Bitcoin retracing.

Do not interpret my not explaining every minute detail as the team having not discussed, argued gone overboard in every direction then come to a conclusion during our meetings.

My role has been as the CTO. With my contribution in setting up our Bitcoin related funding (all of our funds have been in a multi-sig wallet since the beginning due to the international nature of the project).

The barge has not been listed at $25 million for some time. Our lump sum offer is under $10 million. As time goes on I am sure the price would come down even more, especially with cash in hand. An owner financed number was given closer to $10 million with a lower downpayment. However it is not really my place to be giving out negotiated numbers. I have personally seen the barge however from behind a fence as I was just passing through when I sold my Florida house.

The project is not 100% locked into that barge as it could be sold or whichever might happen. It currently fits into our phase 1 solution though. Our previous phase 1 solution was to build a large concrete floating structure but the time and unknowns for that project were concluded to be far too high of a risk.

Our business plan is much more detailed than anything I have ever posted here. Our marketing guy has been using that for approaching large investors.

I deeply want this to happen and have invested my own bitcoins toward the project to get the ball rolling.

No matter what happens, I will be living on a seastead in the next 2 years. This project is currently the furthest along toward having something in the water the soonest.

Bitcoin will be the currency of Marinea. All owners are on board with this.

To say that there are many "schemes" trying to do this same thing is not true. Marinea has been in the works for almost 2 years in various stages of readiness.

I own shares as a part of the registered Marinea corporation registered in Belize (why Belize? Because we expect pushback from the US at some point).

We understand the difficulty of setting up a nation. That would not come until well into phase 3 when we have a large community living in international waters on a wave protected huge setup. Yes, the first 2 phases rely upon a host nation. It is best to walk before you run. We have not made any claims otherwise. I do not see where you got the idea of that not being the case.

As for the "community ripping the scheme apart", there have and will always be naysayers. Bitcointalk is just a blip of where we have gone seeking like minded people to join us.

We sent a few people down to Florida to inspect the barge and got a decent appraisal of it. We negotiated with the owner down from $25 million to the $10 million or less depending upon full or partial payment. The extra $5 million is to turn it from a fisherman type of setup to a place that is more in line with sustainability and living.

The Marinea corporation would then use funds from the tourism and commerce to invest into phases 2 and 3.

The floating platform is the initial step. Seasteading plans have been out for almost 10 years but this is an attempt to actually get our feet in the water so to speak. Most seasteads proposed so far have been $250 million structures with $500,000 rooms. This project is an attempt to actually start doing something instead of just talking.

Is the initial structure the final goal? No. You won't be able to claim citizenship or live in international waters with the initial structure. But the initial structure is where those things will be determined. Not sitting at home talking about it.

As one of the co-owners, I assure you that we have tried every avenue for coming up with the best funding method for an international business that will ultimately have no country as the business location. I did not want to go the route of creating a shitcoin ICO to fund it. So ultimately colored coins are our final solution. Going for small investments of $100 instead of $500,000 seems more in the spirit of seasteading.

Ultimately it will happen.

With Trump winning I will leave this here for those that want a way forward and already understand that creating an alternative system is better than stopping the old system.

http://marinea.org/mag/2016NovemberIssue.pdf

Libertarians need to face reality. They are trying to save people from a world that they are
actually fine with. Sure some people may complain about how their government works on one
or two issues or hope that their candidate of choice will be the one that will fix those minor
problems that they see with things today. But libertarians who actually “get it” see the
possibilities that come from a better future where governments aren’t running every little part
of our lives. Today’s governments are “good enough” for most people. This message is not for
them. They can still live in their system and be perfectly content with tinkering around the
edges and believing that they may have some minor impact upon how things move forward.

To change the minds of the masses is a futile struggle as the effort required to awaken one
person is significant and doesn’t scale to all.

This message is for those of us that understand that taxation is theft, that roads will not
suddenly disappear without government, that wars are not fought to defend our “freedoms”,
and that the idea that “if you aren’t doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about”
when taking away our privacy is not even close to being an excuse. This message goes to
those that understand that government is force, our fiat currency is manipulated to favor those
in power, that centralization of power only leads to the centralization of corruption, that the
current system is broken and that liberty is but a footnote in the thoughts of anyone with any
control.

Most libertarians spend their lives working hard to help bring liberty to those that don’t want
liberty. At least their actions demonstrate that it is not very important to them. The fact that the
“land of the free” is deciding between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump should be proof
enough to anyone that liberty has been phased out and may be something talked about in
fairy tales one day if allowed to do so by our future governments. Our time wasted trying to
help others could have been spent enhancing and improving liberty in our own lives yet we
fought tirelessly, we sacrificed, we put in countless hours hoping that we could make a
difference in our communities. It is time we focus on ourselves and actually work toward our
own freedom now instead of hoping for some future far off reality that those around us likely
don’t even want or are actively working against. It is time to be free.

What we are proposing will not be easy. It will not be immediate and there will be a learning
process, but it is something we can do together and it is something that is actually possible
with accomplishments at every step of the way. But hopefully in the end we can enjoy the
liberty that we seek.

The Marinea project is a project of liberty, and it is a step towards the eventual goal of liberty
for all. What we propose is leaving behind those that are perfectly content with big
government. Shrugging off the harsh reality that every bit of land on Earth is controlled by a
government that is slowly moving toward more and more centralized corruption. If they control
all of the land, we will move to the 70% of the world that is not controlled by any government.

Like so many sailors, boaters and water lovers who have done so before, we will move to the
sea and build our new world there.

The end goal for the Marinea project is a large floating community in a wave protected
sanctuary in a temperate climate with open trade and cooperation with all, thriving as
progress allows us to move forward instead of getting dragged down by those that would
rather admit to failure before even trying.

While our end goal is very broad, the ultimate results lie in those that are actually involved in
making it happen. Everyone will play their part and have their efforts bear fruit toward liberty
as opposed to being wasted on people that would hope that we would all just go into the
ocean and never return.

Our initial proposal is to make something happen now. We are not just about talk; we want to
get on the sea now and have verifiable immediate results.

Our research has given us an initial
structure to begin our R&D and get our feet wet by having a small community of 30 to 50
people living on a floating structure that has living quarters, offices, restaurants, retail, utilities
and the basics of starting off on our journey toward learning what life will be like for this new
venture. We will also be taking baby steps when it comes to the most obvious question
everyone has – “what about the huge waves?!?” Our initial location will likely be in a well
protected area of the Caribbean in around 10 feet of water surrounded by uninhabited islands
with an average yearly wave height of 2 feet. This does mean that we will still be under the
limited laws of a country with no income taxes and very few laws. But it will be a step in
the right direction as we learn and grow as a community to reach our end goal.

From there, we will learn our lessons, and this paper will be re-written by those with the
knowledge to determine the next steps, whether it is a giant leap to our community in
international waters or a larger platform or many small platforms, it is not our place to decide
that right here and now. The most important thing to do is to point in the right direction and
take that first step.

The initial structure will require funds of $15 million to have it ready for initial Mariners to live
on. While we are currently working on large investors, donors or promoters, we would rather it
be a community effort with funds coming from many activists and supporters who want to get
involved and be part of moving liberty forward right now.

As such, we have set up a way for
individuals to become a member for a minimum of $100 for the purchase of one SeaNote.
Every SeaNote gives you access to our updates, monthly magazine, discounts for any future
visit to Marinea on things such as hotel rooms, restaurants, products, etc. as well as being
able to trade that SeaNote in for citizenship once we have established our future community.

We will only be making 150,000 SeaNotes available and will be setting up an exchange to
trade your SeaNotes on the open market on a decentralized crypto-token market.

Whatever the outcome of our funding drive, we are dedicated and hope you join us in moving
forward toward actually making something happen and taking steps toward liberty that we can
all follow. Our energies need be no longer wasted on those that do not care nor deserve any
more of our productivity. It is time to focus on bringing liberty to each other so that we may all
thrive and move forward together and leave those that do not share our vision to their own
paths in life.

You can join us in this journey to freedom at http://marinea.org/join/

http://marinea.org/mag/2016NovemberIssue.pdf

Libertarians need to face reality. They are trying to save people from a world that they are
actually fine with. Sure some people may complain about how their government works on one
or two issues or hope that their candidate of choice will be the one that will fix those minor
problems that they see with things today. But libertarians who actually “get it” see the
possibilities that come from a better future where governments aren’t running every little part
of our lives. Today’s governments are “good enough” for most people. This message is not for
them. They can still live in their system and be perfectly content with tinkering around the
edges and believing that they may have some minor impact upon how things move forward.

To change the minds of the masses is a futile struggle as the effort required to awaken one
person is significant and doesn’t scale to all.

This message is for those of us that understand that taxation is theft, that roads will not
suddenly disappear without government, that wars are not fought to defend our “freedoms”,
and that the idea that “if you aren’t doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about”
when taking away our privacy is not even close to being an excuse. This message goes to
those that understand that government is force, our fiat currency is manipulated to favor those
in power, that centralization of power only leads to the centralization of corruption, that the
current system is broken and that liberty is but a footnote in the thoughts of anyone with any
control.

Most libertarians spend their lives working hard to help bring liberty to those that don’t want
liberty. At least their actions demonstrate that it is not very important to them. The fact that the
“land of the free” is deciding between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump should be proof
enough to anyone that liberty has been phased out and may be something talked about in
fairy tales one day if allowed to do so by our future governments. Our time wasted trying to
help others could have been spent enhancing and improving liberty in our own lives yet we
fought tirelessly, we sacrificed, we put in countless hours hoping that we could make a
difference in our communities. It is time we focus on ourselves and actually work toward our
own freedom now instead of hoping for some future far off reality that those around us likely
don’t even want or are actively working against. It is time to be free.

What we are proposing will not be easy. It will not be immediate and there will be a learning
process, but it is something we can do together and it is something that is actually possible
with accomplishments at every step of the way. But hopefully in the end we can enjoy the
liberty that we seek.

The Marinea project is a project of liberty, and it is a step towards the eventual goal of liberty
for all. What we propose is leaving behind those that are perfectly content with big
government. Shrugging off the harsh reality that every bit of land on Earth is controlled by a
government that is slowly moving toward more and more centralized corruption. If they control
all of the land, we will move to the 70% of the world that is not controlled by any government.

Like so many sailors, boaters and water lovers who have done so before, we will move to the
sea and build our new world there.

The end goal for the Marinea project is a large floating community in a wave protected
sanctuary in a temperate climate with open trade and cooperation with all, thriving as
progress allows us to move forward instead of getting dragged down by those that would
rather admit to failure before even trying.

While our end goal is very broad, the ultimate results lie in those that are actually involved in
making it happen. Everyone will play their part and have their efforts bear fruit toward liberty
as opposed to being wasted on people that would hope that we would all just go into the
ocean and never return.

Our initial proposal is to make something happen now. We are not just about talk; we want to
get on the sea now and have verifiable immediate results.

Our research has given us an initial
structure to begin our R&D and get our feet wet by having a small community of 30 to 50
people living on a floating structure that has living quarters, offices, restaurants, retail, utilities
and the basics of starting off on our journey toward learning what life will be like for this new
venture. We will also be taking baby steps when it comes to the most obvious question
everyone has – “what about the huge waves?!?” Our initial location will likely be in a well
protected area of the Caribbean in around 10 feet of water surrounded by uninhabited islands
with an average yearly wave height of 2 feet. This does mean that we will still be under the
limited laws of a country with no income taxes and very few laws. But it will be a step in
the right direction as we learn and grow as a community to reach our end goal.

From there, we will learn our lessons, and this paper will be re-written by those with the
knowledge to determine the next steps, whether it is a giant leap to our community in
international waters or a larger platform or many small platforms, it is not our place to decide
that right here and now. The most important thing to do is to point in the right direction and
take that first step.

The initial structure will require funds of $15 million to have it ready for initial Mariners to live
on. While we are currently working on large investors, donors or promoters, we would rather it
be a community effort with funds coming from many activists and supporters who want to get
involved and be part of moving liberty forward right now.

As such, we have set up a way for
individuals to become a member for a minimum of $100 for the purchase of one SeaNote.
Every SeaNote gives you access to our updates, monthly magazine, discounts for any future
visit to Marinea on things such as hotel rooms, restaurants, products, etc. as well as being
able to trade that SeaNote in for citizenship once we have established our future community.

We will only be making 150,000 SeaNotes available and will be setting up an exchange to
trade your SeaNotes on the open market on a decentralized crypto-token market.

Whatever the outcome of our funding drive, we are dedicated and hope you join us in moving
forward toward actually making something happen and taking steps toward liberty that we can
all follow. Our energies need be no longer wasted on those that do not care nor deserve any
more of our productivity. It is time to focus on bringing liberty to each other so that we may all
thrive and move forward together and leave those that do not share our vision to their own
paths in life.

You can join us in this journey to freedom at http://marinea.org/join/