Existing Bitcoin holders spend their coins, this is the main effect of mainstream merchant adoption.
Why did these bitcoin holders buy coins in the first place? You are presuming a large demographic of people that considered bitcoins worth having when there was little merchant adoption but not worth having now that bitcoins are more widely accepted. Besides, there's a far simpler explanation for the 2014 bear market: A correction to the 2013 bubble(s). Exactly. In case people didn't notice, we've been through the biggest Bitcoin bubble ever. What goes up, must go down. The higher you go, the lower you'll fall. |
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Je ne comprend pas pourquoi ils partent pas sur une distribution de type PoA qui à mon sens est de loin le modèle de distribution le plus juste et avec une valeur encrée au réel...
La distribution la plus juste c'est de ne pas distribuer, justement. L'injustice vient de l'action de l'homme. |
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My rigs are with R9 270. Miner v9.0 and v8.0 keep crashing. It work 1-2 hours before crash. After restart it works another 1-2 hours. Version 7.0 is working without any problem.
1. How many GPUs in rig? 2. How much RAM installed? 6 GPU on every rig and 4GB of RAM, virtual memory is set on 17000MB. I can set it 20k-30k Maybe you overclocked. In that case, it's the problem. |
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Bizarre que Vitalik participe a ce projet aussi, en tout cas ça l'air intéressant
Il y a des solutions pour contourner le boobstrap non?
Je peux crée plusieurs wallet bitcoin et leur donner plusieurs clé différent
Impossible. En plus on ne connait pas le block de référence (le blockcount). Il est possible qu'il ne soit jamais annoncé ou que le block soit déjà passé. |
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La blague?
les mecs sortent un clone avec un modèle de distribution complètement con et ils veulent avoir un market cap de 6 à 8 Million comme ça?
On voit qu'ils croient dur comme fer que le nxt à vraiment un cap de 25 M alors que c'est seulement du aux investisseurs de départ qui sont assez intelligents pour vendre leur merde de façon raisonable au fil du temps à des investisseurs crédules...
Si c'est une blague c'est la meilleur de l'année. Je pense que tu n'as pas compris : il n'y a pas d'investisseurs sur æthereum. Tu ne peux pas investir. |
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Comment ils ont eu le code d'Etherum? C'est open source?
C'est open-source et Vitalik participe au projet. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563925.msg6150824#msg6150824What about BTC I hold at an exchange? Would I need to move all my BTC to a personal BTC wallet before nucleus?
Yes. The correct way to implement this kind of distribution model is to pick a block number (eg. 290000), and say that bitcoins at that specific block are what gives you aethereum. Otherwise, you can claim some AETH with your BTC, deposit and withdraw from an exchange, claim more AETH, and repeat ad infinitum. For the system to be trust-free and secure, it would have to be based on private key signing, which means that you would have to have them in a personal wallet. If you don't want to set up a new wallet and deal with different addresses another somewhat technical alternative is to use my pybtctool toolkit to generate a brainwallet and put your money all in the one address just before the nucleus happens. Pybitcointools/pybtctool includes Electrum message signing functionality with the "ecdsa_sign" command; here's an example session: vub@shadowcow-200 00:29:41: pybtctool ecdsa_sign hullo `pybtctool sha256 cow`
GykcIAXZ3VxuSUfLBi+FCWnvKlEOmo13ysGfVWVfo2cobJhbWhFqMxrxgVB5cnPax+YUJqB1fk9Hkm8bYjoUuBE=
vub@shadowcow-200 00:29:48: pybtctool ecdsa_recover hullo GykcIAXZ3VxuSUfLBi+FCWnvKlEOmo13ysGfVWVfo2cobJhbWhFqMxrxgVB5cnPax+YUJqB1fk9Hkm8bYjoUuBE=
04334ec322ef674d8a91a5467b78cb12fab3de961aa3d6c2d6afd844526e18c8dd12e9b21d5f9411dfa37689c551d2572465f633df73b0d12015aeb72d423e0d30
You can independently verify that 04334... is the public key corresponding to sha256(cow). Then you can easily sign a transaction to move funds back out. It's literally as easy as a command line utility possibly can be. But I personally would recommend for this group to do something similar to what we're doing and release an application which people can send their BTC to (it's client side so no security risk involved) such that the application signs at the appropriate time and then sends the BTC back out. Having easy-to-use tools for doing this kind of signing would really do a lot to help Bitcoin-based issuance models gain wider adoption. people who own thousands of btc would become whales of this coin. I think if you make the distribution proportional, there is no different from the others distribution methods except these whales even don't need to invest....
Agreed. The only truly "fair" coin is one that gives X per person per year forever. And, before you ask, yes it is one of our major interests to get at least a few of those launched as sub-currencies on ethereum, and you're free to create forks of each one on aethereum which are distributed via proof of ownership of the corresponding ethereum sub-currency at block N. With Merkle Patricia state trees, we even make "proof of subcurrency ownership at block N" trivial for you. C'est quoi un boobstrap?
Spin-offs: bootstrap your alt-coin with a bitcoin-blockchain-based initial coin distributionThere are alt-coin lovers, alt-coin haters, alt-coin pumpers and alt-coin players. At this early stage in the development of cryptocurrency, our community hasn’t come to a clear consensus on these coins. Many people claim that alt-coins are important for conducting experiments that are too risky to do with bitcoin, while others say the primary purpose of alt-coins is to transfer bitcoins into the pockets of alt-coin developers. Recently Daniel K published a compelling article describing the coming demise of alt-coins based on bitcoin’s superior liquidity, market capitalization, and user base [1]. Although I agree with all points Daniel made, I believe he failed to recognize the importance of the bitcoin blockchain itself. Over 5 years, 3 crashes, and $600,000,000 of unrecoverable mining costs, bitcoins have diffused across our user base and the resulting distribution has been logged to the blockchain. By tempting you with unimaginable wealth during a rally and then threatening to take it all away during a crash, the free market has become a highly-efficient computer continuously refining the answer to the question “what is the most efficient distribution of coins in a cryptocurrency?” Through discussion in Cypherdoc’s “Gold down. Bitcoin UP” thread, we came up with an interesting method of solving the problem of how to initially distribute coins in a project like NxT or Ripple. Since the market has already encoded its best estimate of the “most efficient distribution” into the unforgeable global ledger known as the blockchain, why not use this? Since all bitcoin users can cryptographically prove ownership of their share of bitcoins, the code-base of any alt-coin can be modified in a trivial way to allow bitcoin users to claim a share of any pre-mine in direct proportion to the percentage of bitcoin’s market cap they control. This method (a) bootstraps alt-coins with a very large potential user base, (b) places all alt-coins on equal footings thereby allowing them to compete on their own merits, (c) automatically piggybacks bitcoin investors in any financial gains that may result due to community innovation, (d) fairly rewards innovative alt-coin developers as they can scoop up spin-offs dumped cheaply on the open market, (e) makes it difficult to “pump and dump.” Our first case study is a clone of Ethereum called æthereum scheduled to launch shortly after the Ethereum IPO. æthereum is functionally identical to Ethereum, but rather than purchasing ether with bitcoins, you can freely claim your share of æther by signing an æthereum address with your bitcoin private keys. This process bootstraps æthereum by giving it a larger potential user base than Ethereum could hope to achieve with an IPO process. A broad user base is important as recent work has shown that the market cap of a coin is proportional to the square of the number of users [2]. What’s even nicer is that you get your æther for free simply based on the investment in cryptocurrency that you have already made by holding bitcoins (that you can prove to the æthereum network by producing signatures with your private keys to claim your æther). If you are interested in joining the discussion about æthereum, please take a look at the æthereum RFC thread [3]. References:
[1] http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg6025866#msg6025866
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563925.msg6148297#msg6148297
Useful Resources for Spin-OffsSimplified claim verification (SCV) proposalThis post describes a method that can be used to allow 100% of the valid unspent outputs (at the time the snapshot was taken) to be claimed. Snapshot file format specificationThis post describes the most up-to-date format for the blockchain snapshot files. Example Snapshot fileThis post contains a diagram that illustrates an example snapshot file. Example Merkle TreeThis post illustrates the Merkle tree construction for a given blockchain snapshot. Example Merkle branch claim proofThis post illustrates the Merkle branch technique used to prove one's claim. UTXO DistributionThis post summarizes the % bitcons by wealth and by claim number that be classified as pay2PubKeyHash (99.86%), pay2ScriptHash (0.14%), native multisig (0.0001%) and raw script (16 claims). 100% of valid outputs can be classified in one of these four bins. |
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Excusez-moi je pense que j'ai oublié de vous parler le l'altcoin à venir la plus intéressante. Ce thread étant devenu une poubelle à shitcoins, je n'y mettais plus vraiment les pieds. Je vous dis tout de suite : Pas d'IPO Pas de minage Pas de free distribution à la con où il faut créer 50 comptes bitcointalk (cross post sur le thread de Ethereum fr) Sachez que æthereum sera le challenger de Ethereum avec distribution gratuite et transparente par la blockchain du Bitcoin : le principe du bootstrap. Donc avec æthereum vous gardez tous vos Bitcoins ET vous obtenez gratuitement des æthers qui sont l'équivalent 1:1 des Ethers. Ca a l'air intéressant, une idée de la date de création ? Ça coïncidera avec la sortie de Ethereum et ça dépend de l'avancé du bootstrap. J'espère que tu sais qu'en matière d'alt la copie foire toujours par rapport à l'original non (exception faite de Monero qui confirme la règle).
Faux : Litecoin est le clone 1:1 de Tenebrix et comme tu le dis, Monero est aussi un clone. On pourrait citer toutes les cryptos basés sur le Litecoin. De plus, il est possible que æthereum sorte avant Ethereum. Edit :
7. But what if I decide to claim my free æther and immediately sell it?
We are expecting several people to do exactly this, and in fact this is necessary to create a functioning market for æther. We expect æther to initially trade at less than 0.1% of the bitcoin market cap.
8. Why would I sell my æther at such a low valuation? Even Nxt has a market cap over 0.4% that of bitcoin’s. It seems to me that æther would be worth more because it has more potential users and a more efficient initial distribution of coins.
Well, you are free to keep you æther if you choose to. In fact, if you think the market price for æther falls too low, then you can purchase more from another bitcoin user who feels the price is too high.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
La blague me passe au dessus de la tête à 1000 années lumières. |
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No more panic dump ?
Where are the whales ??
Dead ?
Don't get over excited. Not at all. I'm getting bored. |
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Excusez-moi je pense que j'ai oublié de vous parler le l'altcoin à venir la plus intéressante. Ce thread étant devenu une poubelle à shitcoins, je n'y mettais plus vraiment les pieds. Je vous dis tout de suite : Pas d'IPO Pas de minage Pas de free distribution à la con où il faut créer 50 comptes bitcointalk (cross post sur le thread de Ethereum fr) Sachez que æthereum sera le challenger de Ethereum avec distribution gratuite et transparente par la blockchain du Bitcoin : le principe du bootstrap. Donc avec æthereum vous gardez tous vos Bitcoins ET vous obtenez gratuitement des æthers qui sont l'équivalent 1:1 des Ethers. [RFC] æthereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchainæthereum: a turing-complete cryptocurrency with initial coin distribution based on the bitcoin blockchainNOTE TO READERS: this post represents a “request for comments” regarding an innovative coin distribution method to bootstrap the launch of experimental cryptocurrencies: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0 . Our first case study is a clone of the upcoming Ethereum system. FAQs:1. What is æthereum?æthereum is a Turing-complete cryptocurrency where the initial distribution of coins is based on the unspent bitcoin outputs on an agreed-upon point in the future (these unspent outputs are known as "the nucleus"). 2. This sounds like Ethereum. Is it the same thing?No, æthereum is unique. 3. In what ways is æthereum the same as Ethereum?æthereum is functionally equivalent to Ethereum. They are both based on the same source code. 4. In what ways is æthereum different?The initial distribution of coins in æthereum is different. If you are a bitcoin user, you can use your bitcoin private keys to claim a percentage of æther exactly equal to the percentage of the bitcoin market cap you controlled at the time of nucleus creation. This claiming process is trustless and decentralized and doesn't cost you anything. 5. But I have to buy ether during the Ethereum IPO by trading real bitcoins! Why are you guys giving æther away for free if it is basically the same thing?The most difficult part of launching a cryptocurrency is attracting a user base. Because you own bitcoins, you've demonstrated that you are an advocate for its success. æthereum can only become successful with the support of the community, and since it costs nothing to "give away æther," doing so both helps our coin and helps the cryptocurrency community. It has taken us 5 years, 3 crashes, and $600,000,000 of unrecoverable mining costs to efficiently distribute bitcoins across the user base. Rather than spending another 5 years and countless crashes, we can bootstrap æthereum by beginning at Day 0 with the same distribution of coins. 6. Wait a second, you’re actually telling me my bitcoin private keys allow me to claim æther for free?Yes. 7. But what if I decide to claim my free æther and immediately sell it?We are expecting several people to do exactly this, and in fact this is necessary to create a functioning market for æther. We expect æther to initially trade at less than 0.1% of the bitcoin market cap. 8. Why would I sell my æther at such a low valuation? Even Nxt has a market cap over 0.4% that of bitcoin’s. It seems to me that æther would be worth more because it has more potential users and a more efficient initial distribution of coins.Well, you are free to keep you æther if you choose to. In fact, if you think the market price for æther falls too low, then you can purchase more from another bitcoin user who feels the price is too high. 9. Are you keeping any æther for yourself? Is there a pre-mine?The initial distribution of æther is exactly equal to the unspent bitcoin outputs during nucleus creation. æther can only be removed from the nucleus with ECDSA signatures made by the corresponding bitcoin private keys. 10. Then how are you going to reward yourself for your development work?We believe that many current bitcoin holders will perceive their æther as "free money" and sell it for a low price. Since we believe in the long-term prospects of this technology, we intend to buy these coins for cheap. We will then continue to develop æthereum and if we are successful our coins will increase in value. 11. Why would anyone buy ether if they can get æther for free?We cannot answer that question for you. Some people may feel that the distribution of wealth encoded in the bitcoin blockchain is somehow unfair. Such people may wish to purchase ether if they feel the IPO process results in a more efficient distribution of wealth. 12. How exactly will I claim my æther?Using your æthereum client, you can create one or several accounts. Each account has an associated address. To claim your æther, simply sign the æthereum address that you want credited with a bitcoin private key. Paste the signature into the “claim aether” window in your client and post the transaction to the network. This will provide cryptographic proof to the æthereum network of your right to claim your portion of æther from the nucleus. 13. But I don’t trust you with my bitcoin private keys.There is no need to trust us. Simply sign an æther address under your control with a bitcoin private key using whatever wallet you are comfortable with (e.g., blockchain.info, Armory, etc.,) and paste the resulting signature into the æthereum client. 14. How do I know you’re not going to steal Satoshi’s æther, or remove someone else’s coins?The æthereum nucleus is based on the unspent bitcoin outputs in the blockchain at a point in the future that will be telegraphed to the community far in advance. This nucleus becomes public information and a critical part of the æthereum code. Anyone will be able to verify that the nucleus credits bitcoin addresses exactly as per the snapshot of the blockchain at the agreed upon time. æthereum will be launched from this nucleus after providing the community sufficient time to verify nucleus accuracy. The æthereum network will only recognize æther claimed from the nucleus with a bitcoin signature, or æther created by the mining process (refer to white paper). 15. Where can I learn more about æthereum? Is there a white paper? Since æthereum is functionally identical to Ethereum, except for the initial distribution of coins, please refer to the following white paper: https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/%5BEnglish%5D-White-Paper. 16. Wow, this is a cool idea. Couldn’t any alt-coin be re-released with an initial coin distribution equal to the unspent outputs in the bitcoin blockchain?Yes. In fact, we believe that any alt-coin will enjoy greater success if any premined coins are freely distributed as per the unspent outputs in the bitcoin blockchain, when compared to any other distribution method. If this premise is true, then any promising alt coin can be made more promising by re-releasing it using bitcoin's unspent outputs to determine initial ownership of coins. We believe this distribution method is a good thing for the community including innovative alt coin developers. It places all alt-coins on equal footings and allows them to compete based on their own merits.
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No more panic dump ?
Where are the whales ??
Dead ?
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Au fait, pour les gogos qui envoient de l'argent pour un quelque chose de gratuit et open source. Sachez que æthereum sera le challenger de Ethereum avec distribution gratuite et transparente par la blockchain du Bitcoin. Donc avec æthereum vous gardez tous vos Bitcoins ET vous obtenez gratuitement des æthers qui sont l'équivalent 1:1 des Ethers. [RFC] æthereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchainæthereum: a turing-complete cryptocurrency with initial coin distribution based on the bitcoin blockchainNOTE TO READERS: this post represents a “request for comments” regarding an innovative coin distribution method to bootstrap the launch of experimental cryptocurrencies: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0 . Our first case study is a clone of the upcoming Ethereum system. FAQs:1. What is æthereum?æthereum is a Turing-complete cryptocurrency where the initial distribution of coins is based on the unspent bitcoin outputs on an agreed-upon point in the future (these unspent outputs are known as "the nucleus"). 2. This sounds like Ethereum. Is it the same thing?No, æthereum is unique. 3. In what ways is æthereum the same as Ethereum?æthereum is functionally equivalent to Ethereum. They are both based on the same source code. 4. In what ways is æthereum different?The initial distribution of coins in æthereum is different. If you are a bitcoin user, you can use your bitcoin private keys to claim a percentage of æther exactly equal to the percentage of the bitcoin market cap you controlled at the time of nucleus creation. This claiming process is trustless and decentralized and doesn't cost you anything. 5. But I have to buy ether during the Ethereum IPO by trading real bitcoins! Why are you guys giving æther away for free if it is basically the same thing?The most difficult part of launching a cryptocurrency is attracting a user base. Because you own bitcoins, you've demonstrated that you are an advocate for its success. æthereum can only become successful with the support of the community, and since it costs nothing to "give away æther," doing so both helps our coin and helps the cryptocurrency community. It has taken us 5 years, 3 crashes, and $600,000,000 of unrecoverable mining costs to efficiently distribute bitcoins across the user base. Rather than spending another 5 years and countless crashes, we can bootstrap æthereum by beginning at Day 0 with the same distribution of coins. 6. Wait a second, you’re actually telling me my bitcoin private keys allow me to claim æther for free?Yes. 7. But what if I decide to claim my free æther and immediately sell it?We are expecting several people to do exactly this, and in fact this is necessary to create a functioning market for æther. We expect æther to initially trade at less than 0.1% of the bitcoin market cap. 8. Why would I sell my æther at such a low valuation? Even Nxt has a market cap over 0.4% that of bitcoin’s. It seems to me that æther would be worth more because it has more potential users and a more efficient initial distribution of coins.Well, you are free to keep you æther if you choose to. In fact, if you think the market price for æther falls too low, then you can purchase more from another bitcoin user who feels the price is too high. 9. Are you keeping any æther for yourself? Is there a pre-mine?The initial distribution of æther is exactly equal to the unspent bitcoin outputs during nucleus creation. æther can only be removed from the nucleus with ECDSA signatures made by the corresponding bitcoin private keys. 10. Then how are you going to reward yourself for your development work?We believe that many current bitcoin holders will perceive their æther as "free money" and sell it for a low price. Since we believe in the long-term prospects of this technology, we intend to buy these coins for cheap. We will then continue to develop æthereum and if we are successful our coins will increase in value. 11. Why would anyone buy ether if they can get æther for free?We cannot answer that question for you. Some people may feel that the distribution of wealth encoded in the bitcoin blockchain is somehow unfair. Such people may wish to purchase ether if they feel the IPO process results in a more efficient distribution of wealth. 12. How exactly will I claim my æther?Using your æthereum client, you can create one or several accounts. Each account has an associated address. To claim your æther, simply sign the æthereum address that you want credited with a bitcoin private key. Paste the signature into the “claim aether” window in your client and post the transaction to the network. This will provide cryptographic proof to the æthereum network of your right to claim your portion of æther from the nucleus. 13. But I don’t trust you with my bitcoin private keys.There is no need to trust us. Simply sign an æther address under your control with a bitcoin private key using whatever wallet you are comfortable with (e.g., blockchain.info, Armory, etc.,) and paste the resulting signature into the æthereum client. 14. How do I know you’re not going to steal Satoshi’s æther, or remove someone else’s coins?The æthereum nucleus is based on the unspent bitcoin outputs in the blockchain at a point in the future that will be telegraphed to the community far in advance. This nucleus becomes public information and a critical part of the æthereum code. Anyone will be able to verify that the nucleus credits bitcoin addresses exactly as per the snapshot of the blockchain at the agreed upon time. æthereum will be launched from this nucleus after providing the community sufficient time to verify nucleus accuracy. The æthereum network will only recognize æther claimed from the nucleus with a bitcoin signature, or æther created by the mining process (refer to white paper). 15. Where can I learn more about æthereum? Is there a white paper? Since æthereum is functionally identical to Ethereum, except for the initial distribution of coins, please refer to the following white paper: https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/%5BEnglish%5D-White-Paper. 16. Wow, this is a cool idea. Couldn’t any alt-coin be re-released with an initial coin distribution equal to the unspent outputs in the bitcoin blockchain?Yes. In fact, we believe that any alt-coin will enjoy greater success if any premined coins are freely distributed as per the unspent outputs in the bitcoin blockchain, when compared to any other distribution method. If this premise is true, then any promising alt coin can be made more promising by re-releasing it using bitcoin's unspent outputs to determine initial ownership of coins. We believe this distribution method is a good thing for the community including innovative alt coin developers. It places all alt-coins on equal footings and allows them to compete based on their own merits.
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Sorry everyone. No Bitcoin crash incoming.
Stop watching the chart & go back to your everyday life.
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Je ne les ai pas encore vu les nouveaux de 10.
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Il y a eu un avant et il y aura un après. Rien de prétentieux a cela.
Le moment approche ou ce système va tomber car obsolète. Ne me demande pas quand, ça je personne ne peut le savoir.
Je souhaite juste qu'on le remplace par quelque chose de "mieux" (ou je devrais dire "different" car il n'y a pas forcement de mieux) c'est a dire un système qui laisse plus de liberté.
Tu reves. Dans le futur il y aura de plus en plus de taxe et de plus en plus d'assistance / redistribution. C'est impossible de faire machine arriere. Je suis d'accord, encore et toujours plus de taxes, encore et toujours plus d'assistanat, encore et toujours plus d'inegalités, encore et toujours plus de centralisation. Le peuple va se faire entuber puissance maximale, et son impuissance sera encore plus palpable, jusqu'a ce qu'il en arrive malheureusement a la violence. Et la ca sera le bordel tant au niveau national qu'international... L'UE, l'euro, l'occident, l'imperialisme, la consommation... Heureusement que bitcoin vient remuer un peu tout ca mais je ne me fais aucune illusion quand a la ligne directrice de nos politiciens, de nos soit disant représentants... Appuyer sur l’accélérateur ne fait qu’accélérer l'issue : le crash. Donc que les Français demandent plus de socialisme est le meilleur moyen de faire s'effondrer le système socialiste. Pour la violence ? Oui ça défoule mais ne résout rien. Allez vous entre-tuer dans la rue si ça vous plaît mais ça sera sans moi. Je serais à la fenêtre avec le popcorn, comme beaucoup d'ailleurs... Regardez les manifestations soit-disant-violente en France : 2 mecs qui se bagarrent ; 20 policiers qui regardent ; 100 journalistes ; 200 manifestants selon la police, plus de 6 millions selon les organisateurs et enfin 2000 photographes amateurs qui prennent la scène en photo/video et qui tweet. Et le liberalisme est, a mon sens, trop individualiste pour changer quoi que ce soit.
Le libéral désigne des courants très variés de pensé qui n'ont rien d'individualiste. On peut retenir certaines caractéristiques des Libéraux classiques : - combattent le protectionnisme et le collectivisme (le socialisme) - promeuvent la démocratie libérale (démocratie parlementaire) - sont souvent en faveur des théories contractualistes ( toute société est fondé sur un contrat social qui est un accord ou engagement par lequel on dit que des hommes abandonnent l’état de nature pour former la société dans laquelle ils vivent maintenant) - favorables à la séparation des pouvoirs et au parlementarisme - préconisent une constitution limitant les pouvoirs de l'État, afin de prévenir l'interventionnisme des gouvernements |
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Concernant les plateformes je ne comprends pas pourquoi depuis tout ce temps on a encore des plateformes privées et centralisées alors que Bitcoin est un protocole opensource et décentralisé. Qu'est-ce qui empêche techniquement la constitution d'une plateforme où l'on gérerait ses BTC de la même façon qu'un Wallet type Blockchain.info (= si le site crashe on a toujours accès à ses bitcoins) Vu les problème de confiance récurrents sur les échanges (qui ne sont toujours pas réglés depuis MtGox, cf. BTCe dont on ne connait même pas le proprio, et ce que tu soulève sur les plateformes chinoises), un site de ce type ferait un carton  Mycelium est la solution ultime mais personne ne l'utilise... En gros c'est : - un wallet, un vrai ou l'on a le contrôle de la clé privé - une application pour mobile, on garde son wallet sur soi - une application d'achat/vente de Bitcoin en cash ou l'on rencontre le vendeur - un service de localisation pour faciliter la rencontre entre acheteur et vendeur Sinon on a localbitcoin.com qui est déjà très bien. le principe existe déjà sur l'Asset Exchange.
Exactement, l'asset exchange permet d'échanger des cryptos (BTC, LTC, DRK notamment) contre d'autre cryptos (NXT notamment) et du FIAT. Ici impossible de tricher car chaque transaction est inscrit sur une blockchain. Donc pas de faux ordre achat/vente, pas de volume délirant. Juste pour info, notre ami SwissAlps de nxtforum.org propose grâce à l'asset exchange d'échanger des NXT en EUR, CHF ou USD en Europe : NxtTracker...an easy gate to EUR, CHF or USDN'importe qui peut se lancer dans ce genre de business et être bien plus transparent qu'une plateforme d'échange Chinoise. EDIT : un article sur Mycelium : http://cointelegraph.com/news/112696/mycelium-20-bitcoin-wallet-exits-beta-available-to-the-public |
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Que le cours du BTC sur les plateformes chinoises soit manipulé c'est une question sur laquelle je ne suis pas compétent pour juger. Par contre que les plateformes chinoises soient à elles-seules responsables du récent crash, j'en doute : Quid du dump de plus de 30K BTC (8k dump + 22k en ordre d'achat) en provenance d'une baleine qui voulait solder ses BTC ? Aucune info sur sa nationalité et pourtant les effets ont été réels = de 375 à 275 Les bots et traders ont suivi la tendance ce qui a amplifié le phénomène (dont on est pas encore sûr d'être sortis...)  De plus Bitstamp ces derniers jours était souvent la plateforme la moins chère et avec le plus de volume ce qui signifiait bien qu'elle était la meneuse dans cette baisse. Peut-être parlais tu de la dégringolade antérieure (grosso modo de 800 jusqu'à 400) mais dans ce cas il vaut mieux préciser  Encore une fois c'est difficile à dire car tout est rendu le plus opaque possible par les plateformes d'échange. Il faut faire pression au plus vite pour un nouvel audit de ces plateformes Chinoises. Il ne faut plus leur laisser la possibilité de manipuler le cours avec de faux ordres de vente et un volume complètement déconnecté de la réalité. Sérieusement, regardez le volume :  Le plus flagrant est le Litecoin :  C'est du foutage de gueule. Il est impossible d'avoir un tel volume avec des LTC réels. EDIT : pour info il n'existe actuellement que 32.7 millions de LTC mais en 1 mois il s'échange plus de 40 millions* de Litecoin rien que sur OKcoin...
*(15568.2/0.01147000)*30= 40718918Je pense que ça explique le gros du crash de 800 vers 400 (pareil pour le LTC). Pour le crash de 375 à 275, il s'agit plus probablement d'une whale ou d'un groupe mais ne pas oublier que toute baisse arrange les plateformes Chinoises que l'on devrait plutôt appeler "banques crypto Chinoises" puisque leur source de revenu vient du prêt de FIAT, BTC et LTC et non du trading. |
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Et se pose alors la question: est il judicieux de batir le système sur une crypto décentralisée si le contrôle des transferts doit être centralisé ?  Tu ne batis rien . Le stockage et le livre de compte est distribué "The Bitcoin". Et permet a tous un chaqu"un de verifié son solde et voir la creation de monnaie ou autres J'en dirais pas plus sur mon idée et ma méthode la personne parle de centaine de millier d'euro et d'un projet proprietaire. Mes conseil ne sont donc plus gratuit pour moi . Je confirme les compétences de Perl et il a raison de demander de se faire payer. |
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Les mecs gagnent 18k euros par an et on leur prend 50k par an ?? C est dégueulasse !!!!
edit : ce que je veux dire c est que tu dis aujourd hui a cause du socialisme on gagne 2 fois moins d argent
tu n en sais rien. C est pas car le socialisme te prend 50% de ton salaire que tu aurais gagné 2 fois plus sous un autre systeme. Une autre évolution du salaire aurait alors pu conduire a une situation où aujd on gagnerait 2 fois moins que ce que nous laisse le socialisme
Je suis tout a fait d'accord sur le fait que la suppression des taxes de l’État n’entraînerait pas une augmentation proportionnelle. Donc effectivement, ce n'est pas parce qu'on prend 50% du salaire qu'on aurait gagné deux fois plus. Par contre, il est très improbable que cela aurait fait baisser le salaire mais si c'était le cas, cela aurait engendré une augmentation considérable du marché de l’emploi. Ce qui est perdu d'un coté est récupéré ailleurs. Et non, tout n'irait pas dans la poche du patron, le profit dans une entreprise doit être utilisé pour investir car la survie de la boite en dépend. |
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Il garde ses BTC pendant plusieurs années pour les vendre maintenant... dans le creux... pour tout investir dans... une arnaque.
lol
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