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3221  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: January 01, 2022, 03:19:56 PM
^  Sure some fighters in the UFC do a lot of talking to hype the event.  But it doesn’t mean the matches don’t deliver full on action and entertainment.  And that’s the same whether it’s a PPV card or a regular fight night card.  A lot of times, it’s the regular fight night cards that surprise everybody in entertainment value even though name value is low.  I can’t say the same for boxing.  Boxing is like watching paint dry.  So boring now with the advent of MMA.  But I do watch the big match ups.
3222  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: January 01, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
Rumor, Mercedes next year will be back in his color.

They will be the Silver Arrows again.

Source (in Italian) https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-team/mercedes-tornera-freccia-argento-nel-2022-599197.html

Nice!  Ah yes!  The Silver Arrows, Hamilton and Russell.  It’s going to be reminiscent of Hamilton and Rosberg.  Wink  I’m starting to think Hamilton will never break Schumacher’s record.  If the last season was tough for Hamilton, 2022 is going to be tougher.  IMHO.

I believe with all the changes Ferrari keeps saying they’re making they’ll be one of the contenders to win the title next season, because they gave up on 2021 races to work on 2022 races.

I think they've all been doing this. I remember in 2020 Mercedes stopping development halfway through the season to work on the future car for what were then the new 2021 regulations, before it all got put back a year.
TBH I would be very surprised to see Ferrari leading the pack. Even if they somehow manage to build a car that's as good as a Merc or a Red Bull, Max and Lewis would still be someway down the road, as Ferrari don't have the drivers to challenge.

Yup.  Unless the engine change happens, it’s going to be Mercedes and Red Bull going at it.  There could even be an argument made that Adrian Newey could surprise everybody with the simpler design of the 2022 cars.  Value could be for Verstappen and Red Bull in the outright market.
3223  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 on: January 01, 2022, 02:57:20 PM
^  If anything, I think it’s Liverpool that’s gonna start having problems when the Africa Cup of Nations start next month.  Klopp will be missing two key players, Mane and Salah.  Expect them to start losing points and Chelsea to solidify second spot at the table.  At least that’s what I think.

Anyway, had a bad run of bets.  So I’m doing a degen parlay...  Cheesy  HT/FT draw and City to win, Norwich team total under 0.5 goals and draw for United vs Wolves.  Total odds at 40.73.  25 bucks wins a tad over 1k.  Lezzz gooo!

This will be a hard month for teams that have a lot of african players. Liverpool is probobly in biggest trouble and to me they will probobly drop a few points,Chelsea is also playing really bad lately and i dont see them at second place it will be really hard,i think Man City will make their advantage a lot bigger

It’s a crucial fixture tomorrow.  And it’s surely one of the matches that could decide who gets the second spot at the table.  There’s like a couple of key players out for Liverpool, Origi and Andrew Roberston then Reece James and Chilwell for Chelsea, tho haven’t seen Chilwell play that much...  This feels like a low scoring draw tbh but dunno...  Results have been insane lately.

Note to self don’t bet EPL football during the hectic schedule of the holidays.  Lol.

Anyway Arsenal almost had it if not for Xhaka.  Things started going south after the penalty for City then the red card happened.  Arsenal deserved at least a draw.
3224  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Best crypto sportsbook for 2021 on: December 31, 2021, 10:46:28 PM
Stake.

I def think Stake has been really awesome the last couple of years...  For me at least.  I usually bet on football and the UFC and they just have better lines than most books lately, even Nitrogen which used to have the best odds.  They also have a wide range of markets like most books now.  In football, I’m not sure why Nitrogen is stuck with just straight bets and handicaps.  Betting on football needs a wider array of markets to make it more fun as it’s one of the hardest sport to bet on.
3225  Economy / Speculation / Re: TA shows potential bullish breakout - if history repeats on: December 31, 2021, 10:27:10 PM
^  Yup it’s not like a holy grail.  But it does give you an idea if it’s a good time to buy or sell and helps you make better decisions by giving you different views on what’s going on with the price.

Anyway some wise guy a few hours ago thought he should sell and push the price down for the lulz.  Cheesy  45k seems to holding strong tho.  It was prolly an attmept to shake everybody off before another break out.  But we’ll see...  What do you guys think?  Will 45k hold or break down?



Edit:  Still holding after a couple of hours.  Looks good.  I think I can stop looking now...  Lol.
3226  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: December 31, 2021, 10:08:17 PM
No way a fighter spends more than he or she can earn and spend it in a training camp.  And afaik, the trainers get a percentage of the fighters’ purse as per agreement.  Cos if fighters spend more than they can earn on training then we wouldn’t have the early prelim cards.  Lol.  There wouldn’t be fighters who can afford to be in the UFC.
No they are not spending more than they are earning, but most of them are just surviving doing one of the most dangerous combat sport on earth.
I watched some interviews and fighters spoke how much they pay for fight camps, and it's lot more money than you think.
Higher ranked fighters does earn much more if they are unbeatable like Khabib or if they trashtalk like McGregor did in his prime.

No they’re not and I was just trying to point that out from your other post when you said UFC fighters spend more for training camps than what they earn in the UFC.  That’s just plain wrong.  And to think about it, the prelim boxers have it way worse cos a lot of them earn 1k, less than 1k and they have to pay for training camp and travel themselves...  And worse of it is they have to scrounge around for sponsors.  In the UFC, it’s all taken care off by the company.



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And that 10k is just from Venum, Crypto.com and Monster energy drink.  The UFC pays an average of around 25k to 30k for early prelim fighters, double at prelims.  So all in all not bad compared to boxing that pays just 1k for new fighters.
Boxers don't have middleman and they don't work for anyone so they are getting complete payment, not just percentage from deal.
They can have any sponsors they choose, and they don't have to pay many coaches for all different sports.
Dana White is saying that MMA fighters earn more but that was expected to hear from him, but UFC is top league so fighters in other organization earn much less.

Floyd Mayweather earned more than $560 million
vs
Conor McGregor earned around  $15 million

We’re talking about your average boxer and UFC fighter here...  And that’s the point, boxing pay is top heavy.  The top guys get paid millions while the little guys at the bottom have almost nothing.  And Mayweather is an outlier.  The guy is a smart businessman and has his promotions company behind him...  Not all boxers are like him.  I mean how much did Tyson Fury earn for his bout vs Wilder?  I don’t think he’ll be raking in as much as Mayweather.

But the thing is, do I think UFC fighters should get paid more?  Of course I do.  But to say that your average UFC fighter isn’t getting paid enough to pay for training camp is just plain wrong.

Edit:  Happy New Year everybody!!!
3227  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin collapse or mature? on: December 30, 2021, 04:32:43 PM
Came across this article today, it's in Greek, but I'll summarize quickly. You could also use Google Translate through Chrome.

Basically, the following article is mentioning two of most dominant predictions about Bitcoin, it's collapse or skyrocket, surpassing $200.000. A few examples of experienced analysts and  economists are mentioned below. Firstly, Tom Lee, of Fundstrat Global Advisors, believes that the price of bitcoin will quadruple by 2022, reaching $200.000. Another crypto market analyst, Nicholas Merten, agrees.

The main principle the article is following is that throughout the past few years, Bitcoin didn't crash below its lowest point. For instance, in 2016, its lowest point was $365, while in 2017, it was $780. And this pattern follows for the rest of the years. With the same logic, Bitcoin won't fall below $27.734, the lowest point of 2021.

On the other hand, the famous economist and professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University, Steve Hanke, claims that while the price of bitcoin is close to $ 50,000, its value is zero. The head of the largest bank in the world agrees with him. According to JPMorgan's Jamie Dimon, bitcoin has no value.

In conclusion, we're seeing two sides of the same coin. On the first instance, we're seeing market analysts, praising Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, while on the contrary, well-known economists, who are also related with large bank/financial institutions, are against Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not...

What's your take on this matter?

Source:
https://www.liberal.gr/market/bitcoin-tha-ektoxeutei-sta-200-000-dolaria-i-tha-gkremistei/423177

But check the chart out.  2017 ath is around 20k, that’s more than 20x BTC’s 780 USD low for that year.  This year, the 27k low is less than twice the current price of BTC at 47k and a tad less than three times BTC’s ath.  So be careful in assuming that it would never break down 27k.  It may very well could imho...  Unless we see another parabolic move up. 

What about instead of the moon or collapse, BTC goes range bound between 30k and 60k for 2022?  Maybe even 2023 too.
3228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: December 30, 2021, 04:12:48 PM
Bump...  Altcoin Observer regs wake up! 

I feel like we’ll be seeing another wave of buying coming after a couple of months of red.  And at the same time I find it funny that there are like 10 threads of ‘looking for 100x coins’ made by 10 different people.  Cheesy  I think the next coming bullish wave will not bring a plethora of ‘100x coins’.  That time has ended as most of the market are coming near their tops.  There will mostly be some decent trends out there that would net 5x tho.
3229  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 30, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
Borussia Dortmund according to Bild is rumored to give a possibility to Haaland to sign a new contract with them.

They are talking about an offer of 12m/y with a deadline set to the end of February.

I don’t know why Man City is so hell bent on acquiring Kane or Haaland in the summer and being so public about it.  I’m thinking, could Pep and Txiki want all attention from the real prize..?  Which is Mbappe for free this summer as his contract ends after the current season.  Grin

The betting market for Mbappe next club lined him stay at PSG at 1.01, to be signed by Real Madrid at 14, Chelsea at 16, United at 20, Liverpool at 20 but City at 30?  Hmmm..  Something’s off here.  I’d line City as having more of a chance to sign Mbappe than Liverpool.  City badly needs a striker, LFC not really.
3230  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: December 30, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
I’ve read some stuff saying that with the new specs the air behind the cars are ‘cleaner’ and thus making it easier for the cars behind to over take the cars at front.  So we’ll see...  Ferrari could make it at least close vs Red Bull.  We have just three months to go!  And less than that to see the new cars.  Smiley

The plan I think is that the new cars generate a lot more downforce from ground-effect, through carefully shaped channels on the base. This means that when they get close behind another car, they still keep most of the downforce, whereas a current car relying on barge boards etc loses a lot when right behind another car.

So in theory, yes, cars should be able to follow more closely without losing downforce... which should lead to better, closer racing, and more overtaking.

But yes, you'd still expect to see Mercedes first, followed by Red Bull. I think a lot of the Mercedes problems this year were due to how the changes affected high-rake and low-rake cars differently, which caught them out... so 2021 gave other teams a chance. Next year they could well be ahead again.

I think because of the new simpler aerodynamics, the cars will be slower and thus the down force needed by the cars will be less which brings less dirty air at the back of the car.  This will really make it easier for the drivers behind to over take.

But yeah...  That’s the whole idea on paper but let’s see what happens during testing and what the data shows.  I think there’s one guy who’ll be having more problems if it’s easier to over take...  Hamilton. He now has two guys to worry about, Russell and Verstappen.
3231  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 on: December 30, 2021, 02:25:06 PM
^  If anything, I think it’s Liverpool that’s gonna start having problems when the Africa Cup of Nations start next month.  Klopp will be missing two key players, Mane and Salah.  Expect them to start losing points and Chelsea to solidify second spot at the table.  At least that’s what I think.

Anyway, had a bad run of bets.  So I’m doing a degen parlay...  Cheesy  HT/FT draw and City to win, Norwich team total under 0.5 goals and draw for United vs Wolves.  Total odds at 40.73.  25 bucks wins a tad over 1k.  Lezzz gooo!
3232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Blue Horse Shoe Loves SXP II on: December 30, 2021, 01:38:42 PM
SXP/USDT broke out resistance a couple of weeks after hitting strong support of around 1.35ish USD...  One of the times SXP did it, it went from 1.36 USD to 4.58 USD.  So judging from past performance it could go on a decent run of 3x from recent bottom...  Probably more if BTC behaves?

I haven’t gotten in yet tbh but got some buy limit orders at 1.75 - 1.80.

I’m not sure why it was bought up...  Just want to get in for the price action.  Lol.  What do you guys think?

Chart...

3233  Economy / Speculation / Re: TA shows potential bullish breakout - if history repeats on: December 29, 2021, 10:52:01 PM
^  That’s cos most folks want to make the perfect buy because they think they could time the market consistently.  It’s like they’re gambling in roulette without an exit strategy if things start going south.  And one thing I’ve noticed in these parts is a lot of people and I mean a looot likes to buy on weakness and buy the dip.  But what about the dip to the dip to the dippity dip?  Cheesy

Buy on strength and always know when to get out even before you enter the trade so you won’t feel lost.  Yeah...  I’m writing it for my own benefit cos I haven’t been following it.  Lololol.
3234  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 on: December 29, 2021, 10:31:22 PM


Actually I didn't expect liverpol to lose and Chelsea to draw.




^  Nope...  Obviously.  Cheesy

So...  How did everybody do from a betting perspective?  I think think there were a lot of busted parlays in these mid week fixtures. Lol.  Lost a little money betting on the spots I was so sure would hit...  Liverpool win and BTTS vs Leicester, Chelsea win to nil vs Brighton, ouch.  And City to win both halves vs Brentford, wtf.

It seems like the only consistent spot lately is Norwich team totals under 0.5 goals.  And it’s almost always at plus money.

It is so unfortunate for Chelsea as they drew with Brighton by 1-1. But this is absolutely Chelsea's fault. Because they couldn't manage to score their second goal. And Brighton had always a silver lining to equalize the score. And the equalizer came very late that Chelsea couldn't even react to it properly. Welbeck saved one point for his team with a nice goal that Mendy couldn't even react to the header.

I don't think it was mendy's fault. Headers are hard to deal with because you just don't know where it's going unlike a shot. If anything, those two Chelsea defenders beside Welbeck that did very little to stop Welbeck from making that header. Aside from the goal, Chelsea's attacking efforts were futile at best and Brighton looked like the better team in the last 10 - 20 minutes of the match.

Only problem with Chelsea or Liverpool dropping points is that City doesn't follow in that fashion.

But you have to give credit to Brighton for playing a good game at almost every game day, just not getting the results they deserve. Graham Potter is a guy who should be managing a bigger club imho.
3235  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: December 29, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
UFC fighters get paid good money for wearing their Venum gear, that Crypto.com sweat gear and everybody gets paid by Monster energy drink.  That’s at least 10k USD right there per fight.
Fighters spend a lot of money on training camps so that 10K is not enough to cover everything, and most of the money sponsors are giving is going directly to UFC and I think fighters are getting small share.
No fighters is allowed to sign any separate deal with any sponsor and that tells you everything you need to know.
Nobody wants to reveal exact earnings but we know that many complained about paychecks and UFC is not allowing them to create some union Smiley



No way a fighter spends more than he or she can earn and spend it in a training camp.  And afaik, the trainers get a percentage of the fighters’ purse as per agreement.  Cos if fighters spend more than they can earn on training then we wouldn’t have the early prelim cards.  Lol.  There wouldn’t be fighters who can afford to be in the UFC.

And that 10k is just from Venum, Crypto.com and Monster energy drink.  The UFC pays an average of around 25k to 30k for early prelim fighters, double at prelims.  So all in all not bad compared to boxing that pays just 1k for new fighters.
3236  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: December 28, 2021, 11:37:23 PM
Same old same old...  They’re pretty much saying ‘don’t expect any huge changes from us, we’ll be getting the same result in the constructor’s championship this year as last year.’.  But they gave their fans a little bit of hope by saying it’s about ‘being capable to addressing inadequacies as soon as possible.’ which is true.  But then again he didn’t say if they were such a team.  Lol.  

Until the engine specs change, it’s still gonna be Mercedes then Red Bull.  Open season for the 3rd to 5th spots.  I’m hoping to see huge improvements for Aston Martin and Williams.

Btw...  Is Australia back in the GP roster?
I agree with this. There is no scenario where Ferrari could be better than Mercedes or Red Bull during this era, eventually there will be engine changes as well and with these new car setups I am pretty sure that cars will be closer to each other so mistakes from any mercedes or red bull driver may end up causing ferrari drivers to get some more points. However, even with more points, I am pretty sure it will be at max 5th for drivers and third for constructors with these engine differences.

Ferraris only opponent at this moment is Mclaren, and that's going to be the case this year as well. I may see Vettel and Aston Martin to be a bit more decent, that's expected but I doubt Williams could ever be better, they are just not good enough to be any decent, not in the 3-5 range at least, maybe they will be better than what they have been so far, but not too much position change.

Yup.  And with the new specs, it could be that it could make it easier for McLaren and Alpine to chase the third spot in the constructor’s and take it away from Ferrari than for Ferrari to take first or second away from Mercedes or Red Bull...

But yeah I’ve read some stuff saying that with the new specs the air behind the cars are ‘cleaner’ and thus making it easier for the cars behind to over take the cars at front.  So we’ll see...  Ferrari could make it at least close vs Red Bull.  We have just three months to go!  And less than that to see the new cars.  Smiley
3237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Does Luna( Terra) worth to invest? on: December 28, 2021, 05:36:57 PM
^  Overpriced is the wrong word imho.  He should’ve said over extended.  I mean sure BTFD and scalp could be a good strategy for trending coins that you missed getting in the bottom of but still gotta be careful.  Don’t buy and hope.

Luna is pumping up these days. Some people claim that Luna will be the next Solana. But some people claim that Luna doesn’t worth to invest because it’s overpriced. So, it will crash soon.
I have a question to ask. Does Luna worth to invest?

If by invest, you mean take a long term position and holding it?  I think you prolly missed the boat, LittlePrince.  I could be wrong but just check out the chart, it’s up huge since June - July and up more than 200x since its lows at November 2020.  But even with all that, you could still do some trades in and out and make a little bit of coin.  But hitting the lottery and win life changing money?  You’re better off looking for something else.  
3238  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: December 28, 2021, 05:22:03 PM
Are Ferrari suggesting that they don't expect to start with a strong car in 2022?

This article begins with the F1 CEO talking about how he expects at the start of the season, some cars will be a lot better than others, due to how they've each interpreted the new rules. I think anyone would agree that this would be as expected, similar to what we saw at the start of the current era, when no-one could touch Mercedes. But then it goes on to a quote from Binotto at Ferrari, who I think sounds quite negative and effectively says that Ferrari's biggest strength is that they can catch up with whoever starts the season ahead.

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“It may be that at the start to the season there will be difference in competitiveness between the cars, because of the ways in which each team may have interpreted the rules and the solutions they may bring.
Here what I think will be important as Ferrari is being capable of understanding weaknesses and addressing them very quickly. So it's the team reaction that will be key.
We cannot be confident of having a competitive car from the start, because you never know what may happen when you’ve got such a big rule change. But it is about being capable of addressing it as soon as possible.”

Same old same old...  They’re pretty much saying ‘don’t expect any huge changes from us, we’ll be getting the same result in the constructor’s championship this year as last year.’.  But they gave their fans a little bit of hope by saying it’s about ‘being capable to addressing inadequacies as soon as possible.’ which is true.  But then again he didn’t say if they were such a team.  Lol.  

Until the engine specs change, it’s still gonna be Mercedes then Red Bull.  Open season for the 3rd to 5th spots.  I’m hoping to see huge improvements for Aston Martin and Williams.

Btw...  Is Australia back in the GP roster?
3239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: December 28, 2021, 04:51:02 PM
Well, not for nothing but we caught a Golden Cross today guys. Smiley

ADDED:

You TA guys wanna explain to me what this mean on low volume?

All I can find is something that says there is a buying attempt without available assets to fill.

You might think this is all in hindsight but in my defense, it was expected as shown in my post in the BTC speculation section.  BTC is going thru a dead cat bounce and this encouraged the rest of the market to pump a bit.  And with BTC being this huge influencer in the market, when it was time to drop, almost everything else dropped with it.  So on low volume, it didn’t mean anything.

XMR goes up when BTC goes up but not be much but then goes to lose more value than BTC if it drops low. I think it shows it pretty clear in the XMR/BTC chart since 2018.
3240  Economy / Speculation / Re: TA shows potential bullish breakout - if history repeats on: December 28, 2021, 04:37:27 PM
Here’s something that could repeat.  If price history could be used as an indicator...



Both initial resitances happened after around a 30% sell down.  First bounce usually is just that, a dead cat bounce before going back down to accumulation mode.  So yeah..  It could be another couple of weeks before we see BTC starts trending up agai.  But that’s if we don’t see it break down below 40k.

And there it is.  I was kinda hoping I was wrong tho.  Lol.  But there’s nothing we can do.  The volume just wasn’t there and it could be a couple more weeks before the big boys decide to come back in and play.  And if they’re going to play, I think they’d want to get in lower than where BTC is right now.

I’m thinking around the bottom of the most recent huge sell down...  42k.  But they’d prolly settle for 45k.  Dunno.  

In hindsight the market could’ve been played by scalpers looking to make a quick buck for the holidays.  Cheesy
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