Much of the machinery in a rock has to do with the machinery that we make. Even the simple electromagnetic forces between the subatomic particles of a rock, are the same kinds of forces between the subatomic particles that make up our machines. Or consider the levers of nature that we apply in many of our machines. Not one of our machines could exist if it were not at least a partial copy of a machine of nature. All of our machinery is patterned after aspects of the machinery of nature. It's all machinery. It's all machines.

^^^ Things wouldn't fall to the ground without an electrified dome above us.

God having no cause is simply something that shows that God is outside of the universe. C&E is a universe thing.

Since the only things that exist are machines, we can apply the example of the machines that we know the makers of, to the big machine that we don't see the maker of, to show that it has a Maker.

Why would you suggest that I use a fish-eye lens motherfucker?

Examination shows the machine nature. Machines have makers.

Again, you show your deceptiveness. Just because we don't know much about the nature of God, doesn't mean that He doesn't use cause and effect, even if He, Himself, had no cause. It doesn't mean that He doesn't use random, either. But nature shows that random doesn't exist within it, simply by the fact that nature's cause was God.

I know. You are simply getting away from the facts that you can't refute, like the fact that evolution theory doesn't fit cause and effect.

I guess we all have to look at the evidence (or not) and make up our own minds.

That's why there aren't many opposing scientific theories for those out there. To explain, a scientific theory isn't something that is proposed lightly. The people who put them together spend a lot of time and effort doing so.

Scientific theorists have to eat. This means that they have to make theories that are in line with those people who pay them, or they won't get paid. This means that, except for the few cases where the theorist is independently wealthy, scientific theories won't get made.

The point isn't that there is no way to make an opposing theory that opposes any scientific theory in existence. It simply means that such a theory hasn't been made. Quantum mechanics suggests that multitudes of real scientific theories potentially exist, that oppose each other on any scientific point. All it takes is a scientist with time, training, money, and interest in the subject, to bring them out.

Scientific theories are not fact. They are stepping stones in the investigation for fact.

If notbatman and others would take the time to turn their FE ideas into real scientific theory, they could compete with GE. There are probably only three major reasons why he/they doesn't/don't do this:
1. He doesn't have the training or the IQ;
2. He doesn't have the funds to support himself and what it would take to make the theory;
3. He really doesn't think that FE is correct.

LOL! Anybody can edit Wikipedia. If a group has the desire to maintain a certain topic on Wikipedia, all they have to do is have 3 people monitor it around the clock, in shifts, to edit it back any time an opposing group edits it.

Wikipedia is full of facts and non-facts. Determining which are which is often difficult.

When Wikipedia just knows which editorial is correct, and then limits certain articles, they are setting them up as a behind-the-scenes panel to direct the way people think. If they allowed all editorials, with links to each of them at the beginning of the article, they would be opening people up to a lot of facts that are otherwise thrown out.

All you have to do is Google "evolution is impossible" to find all kinds of info that shows thatevolution is impossible.

When you look at how this information is rebutted, the rebuttals use all kinds of limiting words, such as if, maybe, perhaps, and many others. This shows that the rebuttals are simply so-called rebuttals.

Evolution is a hoax.

A cult is made up of more members than just one.

If the members of the evolution cult who are studying it, don't obey their university leadership, they are kicked out of the university. Why? They haven't followed the rites and ceremonies of the university properly.

Well, actually, here is where you are wrong.

It is stating that the universe is great that doesn't prove its design. Why not? Because stating such doesn't show anything at all. Stating such is simply political science.

Showing the greatness through examination of it proves the design.

Some of the purpose of God in creating the universe, was to express His love for mankind. He had other purposes in mind, as well. So there is purpose for the machine. How do we know? The universe is a machine full of machines, and every machine is designed for some purpose.

Habitation of the earth isn't the problem. People working together is the problem. After all, look at the inhabitants of harsh Antarctica who work together, just so that they can inhabit it.

My points stand.

Essentially, the evidence and proof for evolution is so limited that if that was all there was, evolution doesn't deserve to even have a theory.

The evidence and proof against evolution is so strong, that evolution is impossible.

If you take the evidence for, and the evidence against, and applied it all in the quantum model, evolution would be out of sight. Perhaps you could find it if you looked real hard.

Oh, that's right. That's what evolutionists have been doing. Looking real hard, and then saying things like "if", "maybe", "perhaps", and all kinds of other limiting words, just to make people feel that there is something to evolution.

Now we see clearly how much of a hoax you are.

As I have been showing you throughout many pages, here, my personal religion is totally against evolution, because there are too many facts against evolution, and none in favor of evolution.

As for my formal religion, how do you know? I have never told you what my formal religion is. So you don't know.

You are like this with regard to evolution. You simply accept what others say, and you guess when you don't know. Evolution is a religion of no facts for you.

Evolution is a hoax.

The universe runs like a "well-oiled" machine. It was designed, and designed extremely well.

How many times do we have to do this? Simply because of the greatness of the universe, the maker of it fits the definition of "God."

I guess I knew that about you. As I said above, "Only connivers try to convince people that scientific theories are facts," and I provided the reason why.

Withing the whole scientific community and really most people. Statistics showed that the majority of the religious people, even your religion accepted evolution.

But only within your religion/cult, or in the so-called theory of it.