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3221  Other / Politics & Society / The Proposal: Living Free on: November 10, 2016, 01:50:28 PM
http://marinea.org/mag/2016NovemberIssue.pdf

Libertarians need to face reality. They are trying to save people from a world that they are
actually fine with. Sure some people may complain about how their government works on one
or two issues or hope that their candidate of choice will be the one that will fix those minor
problems that they see with things today. But libertarians who actually “get it” see the
possibilities that come from a better future where governments aren’t running every little part
of our lives. Today’s governments are “good enough” for most people. This message is not for
them. They can still live in their system and be perfectly content with tinkering around the
edges and believing that they may have some minor impact upon how things move forward.

To change the minds of the masses is a futile struggle as the effort required to awaken one
person is significant and doesn’t scale to all.

This message is for those of us that understand that taxation is theft, that roads will not
suddenly disappear without government, that wars are not fought to defend our “freedoms”,
and that the idea that “if you aren’t doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about”
when taking away our privacy is not even close to being an excuse. This message goes to
those that understand that government is force, our fiat currency is manipulated to favor those
in power, that centralization of power only leads to the centralization of corruption, that the
current system is broken and that liberty is but a footnote in the thoughts of anyone with any
control.

Most libertarians spend their lives working hard to help bring liberty to those that don’t want
liberty. At least their actions demonstrate that it is not very important to them. The fact that the
“land of the free” is deciding between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump should be proof
enough to anyone that liberty has been phased out and may be something talked about in
fairy tales one day if allowed to do so by our future governments. Our time wasted trying to
help others could have been spent enhancing and improving liberty in our own lives yet we
fought tirelessly, we sacrificed, we put in countless hours hoping that we could make a
difference in our communities. It is time we focus on ourselves and actually work toward our
own freedom now instead of hoping for some future far off reality that those around us likely
don’t even want or are actively working against. It is time to be free.

What we are proposing will not be easy. It will not be immediate and there will be a learning
process, but it is something we can do together and it is something that is actually possible
with accomplishments at every step of the way. But hopefully in the end we can enjoy the
liberty that we seek.

The Marinea project is a project of liberty, and it is a step towards the eventual goal of liberty
for all. What we propose is leaving behind those that are perfectly content with big
government. Shrugging off the harsh reality that every bit of land on Earth is controlled by a
government that is slowly moving toward more and more centralized corruption. If they control
all of the land, we will move to the 70% of the world that is not controlled by any government.

Like so many sailors, boaters and water lovers who have done so before, we will move to the
sea and build our new world there.

The end goal for the Marinea project is a large floating community in a wave protected
sanctuary in a temperate climate with open trade and cooperation with all, thriving as
progress allows us to move forward instead of getting dragged down by those that would
rather admit to failure before even trying.

While our end goal is very broad, the ultimate results lie in those that are actually involved in
making it happen. Everyone will play their part and have their efforts bear fruit toward liberty
as opposed to being wasted on people that would hope that we would all just go into the
ocean and never return.

Our initial proposal is to make something happen now. We are not just about talk; we want to
get on the sea now and have verifiable immediate results.

Our research has given us an initial
structure to begin our R&D and get our feet wet by having a small community of 30 to 50
people living on a floating structure that has living quarters, offices, restaurants, retail, utilities
and the basics of starting off on our journey toward learning what life will be like for this new
venture. We will also be taking baby steps when it comes to the most obvious question
everyone has – “what about the huge waves?!?” Our initial location will likely be in a well
protected area of the Caribbean in around 10 feet of water surrounded by uninhabited islands
with an average yearly wave height of 2 feet. This does mean that we will still be under the
limited laws of a country with no income taxes and very few laws. But it will be a step in
the right direction as we learn and grow as a community to reach our end goal.

From there, we will learn our lessons, and this paper will be re-written by those with the
knowledge to determine the next steps, whether it is a giant leap to our community in
international waters or a larger platform or many small platforms, it is not our place to decide
that right here and now. The most important thing to do is to point in the right direction and
take that first step.

The initial structure will require funds of $15 million to have it ready for initial Mariners to live
on. While we are currently working on large investors, donors or promoters, we would rather it
be a community effort with funds coming from many activists and supporters who want to get
involved and be part of moving liberty forward right now.

As such, we have set up a way for
individuals to become a member for a minimum of $100 for the purchase of one SeaNote.
Every SeaNote gives you access to our updates, monthly magazine, discounts for any future
visit to Marinea on things such as hotel rooms, restaurants, products, etc. as well as being
able to trade that SeaNote in for citizenship once we have established our future community.

We will only be making 150,000 SeaNotes available and will be setting up an exchange to
trade your SeaNotes on the open market on a decentralized crypto-token market.

Whatever the outcome of our funding drive, we are dedicated and hope you join us in moving
forward toward actually making something happen and taking steps toward liberty that we can
all follow. Our energies need be no longer wasted on those that do not care nor deserve any
more of our productivity. It is time to focus on bringing liberty to each other so that we may all
thrive and move forward together and leave those that do not share our vision to their own
paths in life.

You can join us in this journey to freedom at http://marinea.org/join/
3222  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
I predicted the price would be $766 on 1/1/2017 back on 1/1/2016 when the price was around $300.
link or nada.

I guess it was $750.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1309383.0


Congrats on being lucky. But since your'e an oracle... what's the price on Dec 30, 2016?

You mean 2 days before my prediction of $750? I'd say about $750....?
3223  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
I predicted the price would be $766 on 1/1/2017 back on 1/1/2016 when the price was around $300.
link or nada.

I guess it was $750.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1309383.0
3224  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
Have you guys considered that maybe there won't be this huge pump, but that we just simply keep grinding upward steadily all next year and into the future?  And let me outline why this would be a GREAT thing:

Sure, a long slow steady climb would be nice. And that is best for Bitcoin being accepted as a currency alternative. But...


it's just so damned exciting when the price is flying up by 10% a day for weeks on end...

The cup and handle charts do show a huge skyrocket though.  I feel like we are near the price we should be at (I predicted the price would be $766 on 1/1/2017 back on 1/1/2016 when the price was around $300).
3225  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2016, 02:04:44 PM


 Cry
3226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2016, 10:19:17 AM
1000+ $

3227  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: November 02, 2016, 01:59:27 PM
lolz

Is this Trump guy still running? Nobody's figured out it's just a joke yet?
3228  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Cryptosteel: The Ultimate Cold Wallet Private Key Storage System on: November 02, 2016, 01:22:26 PM
Posted on OpenBazaar but I'll ask here.

I'd like to buy a few of these.

I have a German mailing address and a US APO address. Which is better as far as shipping goes?
3229  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 01, 2016, 09:38:50 AM
I just think traders are sick of selling now and realise the writing's on the wall for the bear market. Bitcoin is doing everything gold's supposed to be doing. The world is a very big place. Bitcoin is a very small market. People are going to start noticing it "didn't die".

True, the price kept going down because that was the trend. People were not investing in a currency that had been losing value over the past year.

Now that they see the price going up they will want to get in on a currency who's value has gone up over the past year.

Even my ultra-liberal (bitcoin is stupid) friend saw the price and said "Maybe I should stick $10k in bitcoin" today. Meanwhile I convinced my investor buddy who has over $1 million in stocks to buy his first bitcoin at $635, he just set up a weekly $400 buy.

It is feeling very much like 2013 again.
3230  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 01, 2016, 08:14:08 AM
200,000 BTC less mined since halving ... supply starting to tighten considerably now, 2 more months and the halving will be getting close to "priced inGrin

buuut... do we have stats on how many miners sell their coins?

If it is X% of miners selling their coins. That number is still cut in half. X% of miners selling half the previous amount of coins.
3231  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 31, 2016, 03:55:15 PM
It usually starts with the Bitcoin price doubling in a month.
3232  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 28, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
Bitcoin 0.13.1 released (with Segwit)
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-October/000023.html

3233  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 28, 2016, 08:36:43 AM
1.  BTC980,000*. Satoshi Nakamoto

2.  BTC400,000*. HD Moore (AHA)

3.  BTC400,000*. Dustin D. Trammell (AHA)

4.  BTC400,000*. Tod Beardsley (AHA)

5.  BTC350,000*. "Dread Pirate Roberts" a.k.a. "DPR"

6.  BTC300,000.  Roger Ver

7.  BTC300,000*. "knightmb"

8.  BTC200,000. Mark Karpeles

8.5  BTC182,592. "Loaded"

9.  BTC174,000*. FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation, USA)

10.  BTC119,000. AsicMiner Management Team of 3 (names?)

11.  BTC110,000. Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss

12.  BTC100,000. "klaus"

13.  BTC100,000. "mezzomix"

14.  BTC75,000. "artforz"

15.  BTC70,000. Erik Voorhees

17.  BTC30,000. "nakowa"

18.  BTC30,000. Mircea Popescu

19.  BTC30,000. "Goat"

20.  BTC25,000. Chamath Palihapitiya

21.  BTC25,000. Gavin Andresen

22.  BTC20,000. Max Keiser

23.  BTC20,000. "Theymos"


LETS PUMP THIS SHIT

Interesting


That's funny, about 5million coins, and surely estimated holdings of individuals - yet I am sure that we can account for more than that, no?  Or does attempting to account become too petty after listing the supposed top 23-ish?

Although the list is totally inaccurate and created by anti-Bitcoin alt pumpers, it does give me a warm and fuzzy knowing that the people with the most money in the new economy will be those that actually supported the original intent of Bitcoin and its reason for coming into being. As opposed to the "we need to regulate Bitcoin!" crowd and the "the blockchain is the answer (because we still worship Keynes)!" crowd.
3234  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 28, 2016, 06:48:34 AM
1.  BTC980,000*. Satoshi Nakamoto
...
LETS PUMP THIS SHIT

Since we're throwing out baseless numbers you can add:

2. BTC500,000 Elwar
3235  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 26, 2016, 01:25:52 PM
Not to jinx it but if we get past $778 we will see what we did in 2013.





3236  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 26, 2016, 10:57:54 AM
Hmm, no blocksize debate...predictions in the thousands...

My bot would be selling like crazy right now (if I were a trader).
3237  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 26, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
I wonder if all exchanges will consolidate on $666.

Looks like Bitfinex doesn't want to touch it while Bitstamp is slowly moving toward it.
3238  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
(Sorry Mike. Loved your videos. The theory's perfect, you just identified the wrong asset.

Sorry guys but you don't get it. Bitcoin will not be used the way you imagine. Bitcoin will not be used directly as money between merchants and consumers. Different tokens based on bitcoin and backed by bitcoin will be used in competing payment systems where moving bitcoin on the blockchain will be the settlement layer. Gold will always be the ultimate money. The only but very important advantage of bitcoin compared to gold is that bitcoin is cheaper to audit and provide proof of reserves.

I think the most likely scenario, at least in the short term, is that most companies will move more toward their own payment system (gift cards) for payment at their stores. More people will use it and more tools will become available so you can pay at any store with any payment system you like. Taking the onus off of the retailer for payment processing and moving it to a new third party layer.
3239  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
"City banks plan to hoard bitcoins to help them pay cyber ransoms"
Experts say blue chip companies have decided it’s cheaper to deal with extortionists than risk damaging attacks


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/22/city-banks-plan-to-hoard-bitcoins-to-help-them-pay-cyber-ransoms

Intrinsic value!
3240  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2016, 12:13:44 PM

you are exactly right, but everyone will be using it, as all fiat will go across this blockchain

I doubt it.

If you operate a backed currency you're far more efficient using a secure SQL server as the banks will soon find out to their cost once the "we're blockchain friendly" bandwagon gimmickery has worn off.

The whole point of a blockchain is that it's designed to support peer-to-peer, unbacked tokens. Ergo, it's not much use for transporting non peer-to-peer, backed ones. Even if it does shave something off their clearing expenses it isn't going to change the nature of their money which will still require willing debtors to queue up and underwrite it with their future labour. (And those are in increasingly short supply).

If they have only a few private bankchain "nodes" doing the "mining" then you only need to hack one and use an ASIC miner to 51% attack the network and increase the difficulty to the point that when you pull your ASIC off of the network they either have to upgrade to ASICs to keep going or the difficulty will not allow any further blocks. Or use your 51% to doublespend.
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