There is too much pain and suffering in this world that so many innocents endure to believe there is a God that loves us like a parent would.
Why does He allow it? Or, seeing as how He knows the future, He did so from the beginning. Is it some kind of sadistic thing?
Mankind rejected God in the Garden, and brought this pain and death on us. Jesus salvation is the way out. We will never understand the reasons why it works like it does. at least not outside of Heaven. The point is getting there. Once this world is destroyed, it will never be brought to remembrance again.  NO! Adam and Eve rejected God. We should NOT be punished because they were stupid! God is wrong for doing so! Seems to me you are rejecting God. Been in anybody elses heart and mind lately to find out if they are rejecting God? Or if they only seem like they are rejecting God. From what I've understood we're paying for Adam and Eve's sins. And that's not cool. How about if you were to be put in prison because someone you don't know, you've never met and is in another country did something you're not guilty of? Actually, this doesn't seem to matter to you... that we might be paying for the sins of someone else. Why not? Because you reject the way out, which is to have faith in the salvation made by Jesus Christ. Adam and Eve accepted Jesus (though they may not have known Him by that name). So, you show that you welcome sins worse than Adam and Eve committed, because you won't accept the only way out... Jesus. You are self-condemned. Adam and Eve accepted Jesus? But... He was not even born ? oO And we wouldn't need salvation if God hadn't threw humanity out of Eden.. Who do you think was walking in the Garden in the cool of the day. It was Jesus-God. Meh? Jesus-God? Why the "-"? And Jesus existed in the Eden then was born again on Earth after? And God needed to get Marie pregnant? That's fucking gross! You imagine? Hey, it's the only salvation you have. No matter what you think about it, get yourself saved, or you will wind up looking a thousand times more gross in Hell. |
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If guns would be accessible to everyone, the world would be a much safer place. Everyone should have the ability to defend themselves againsts aggressors.
Right! Military and police are people. The only difference they have is, they have better training in using guns, and they have more guns. If military and police who are people just like us have guns, why not the rest of us? Military and police kill more people than the rest of us could ever think of killing. |
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I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate islam? ... If you need anything clarified, I am here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care  I have only one question for you: Do you believe Mohammed flew to heaven on a flying horse? If you do, why do you believe such nonsense? Lol, cause Jesus resurrection is better? xD All religions are basically nonsense. That's even in the definition of religion as religion is based on faith and faith is belief based on nothing but hot air. +1 Christians have crackers turning into human flesh, and wine turning into human blood all every Sunday during mass :-) How sick is this? Virgin birth, walking on water, resurrection from dead, flying to heaven, you know all nine yards. Muslims have heaven with rivers of wine (I guess because they are not allowed to drink it here) and lots of young women with no burkas, all men are clean shaven and are 33 years old. That is the Muslim heaven. It seems like a wet dream of a middle aged goat herder in the 6th century. Sounds about right. You are trying to believe yourself right out of existence. How? You don't have a clue how the universe was made. You don't know anything about whatever could put the marvels of life together. These things are all miraculous, and miracles can't exist. Watch out! It is you that will stop existing if you stop believing in miracles. This whole universe is miracles upon miracles. |
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There is too much pain and suffering in this world that so many innocents endure to believe there is a God that loves us like a parent would.
Why does He allow it? Or, seeing as how He knows the future, He did so from the beginning. Is it some kind of sadistic thing?
Mankind rejected God in the Garden, and brought this pain and death on us. Jesus salvation is the way out. We will never understand the reasons why it works like it does. at least not outside of Heaven. The point is getting there. Once this world is destroyed, it will never be brought to remembrance again. NO! Adam and Eve rejected God. We should NOT be punished because they were stupid! God is wrong for doing so! Seems to me you are rejecting God. Been in anybody elses heart and mind lately to find out if they are rejecting God? Or if they only seem like they are rejecting God. From what I've understood we're paying for Adam and Eve's sins. And that's not cool. How about if you were to be put in prison because someone you don't know, you've never met and is in another country did something you're not guilty of? Actually, this doesn't seem to matter to you... that we might be paying for the sins of someone else. Why not? Because you reject the way out, which is to have faith in the salvation made by Jesus Christ. Adam and Eve accepted Jesus (though they may not have known Him by that name). So, you show that you welcome sins worse than Adam and Eve committed, because you won't accept the only way out... Jesus. You are self-condemned. Adam and Eve accepted Jesus? But... He was not even born ? oO And we wouldn't need salvation if God hadn't threw humanity out of Eden.. Who do you think was walking in the Garden in the cool of the day. It was Jesus-God. |
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ANSWER THE QUESTION WITHOUT PREACHING YOUR BULLSHIT  YOUR SO BORING WHEN YOU PREACH It is you who are causing yourself to be bored, by not letting the things I say sink in. The biggest pain in your life will be missing out on being with God in joy forever. Even Hell can't outdo that loss. |
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According to Holly Bible Christians can not hate anyone..No they can look them like people whom they should help to find way to God and light
Depends on which part of the Bible. Leviticus is part of the Bible and it's all a question of killing murdering burning alive and shit like that. I'd say it's rather hainous part of the book xD What does violence have to do with hate? God ordered the work to be done, and the Israelites simply carried it out. Just because the Israelites worked hard at it doesn't mean they had any hate. Many people work hard at work and enjoy it. So it's not the israelites who hate people. It's God. No. It was frustration on the part of God. First God made people in perfection and goodness. But they threw that away. Then God sent His Son Jesus to suffer and die for the people. But they reject that, as well. There ain't nuthin' more He can do for them. He did the best that can be done, but people would rather die and go to Hell. Frustrating, isn't it? The only reason why God allows wicked people to live is, there are a few of them that will turn to Him and are saved. When you wake up in Hell, it wasn't God's hate that put you there. It was your own... your hate of God. |
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According to Holly Bible Christians can not hate anyone..No they can look them like people whom they should help to find way to God and light
Depends on which part of the Bible. Leviticus is part of the Bible and it's all a question of killing murdering burning alive and shit like that. I'd say it's rather hainous part of the book xD What does violence have to do with hate? God ordered the work to be done, and the Israelites simply carried it out. Just because the Israelites worked hard at it doesn't mean they had any hate. Many people work hard at work and enjoy it. LoooooooooooooooooooL! It's not because you replaced the words "killing massive amount of people, torturing and burning alive some people for no logical reason" by the word "work" that it's not both sadism and horrible hate. Come on. God was doing those nations a favor by having the Israelites kill them. Here's what I mean. The people of those nations did not believe in God. They were never going to believe in God and be saved from the punishment for their sins. So, when an Israelite killed a young heathen guy, the heathen was saved from all the sins that he was going to commit. If he died at 20-y-o rather than 50-y-o, that's 30 years of sinning that he would never have to pay for in Hell. God is giving you opportunity to turn to Him for forgiveness so that you can be saved. But you are so obstinately against Him, that He is probably simply going to allow you to live to a ripe old age, because you wanted more sins to pay for in Hell for all eternity. |
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Who said they do? I just hate bad human beings who may belong to any religion/caste/country/etc. It doesn't matter. Believe in whatever you want as long: god or no god. As long as you keep it to yourself and not force it on anyone.
Agree here. Never force one's own opinions on others but I've seen both groups doing the same. When you have such good opinions, that you can convince someone else into believing your opinions, that other person is better off accepting the new opinions for himself. |
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Why do people pray? Studies have confirmed that prayer does nothing... God has never once cured AIDS, Parkinson's disease, herpes, downs' syndrome, an amputation, or even so much as heal a scar or papercut... People may claim God cured they cancer, or other ailment which went into remission, but its only ever things that could happen naturally... God never fixes a missing arm or leg... God never cures an incurable virus... God has never made an infertile woman have a child... God does not do these things, which would be simple for a God, because there is no God... Try it out... pray for an amputee to regrow an arm or leg and watch God sit on his ass laughing at you... +1 According to religious people God created everything including AIDS, Parkinson's disease, herpes, downs' syndrome... Fixing stuff is not his best skill though. He creates stuff but he left fixing stuff for us, I guess "God works in mysterious ways" would be the answer. "He is testing us" would be another. God cannot type to post here. But he created everything. Sure.... One day, people will wake up and look back how stupid they were believing in this supernatural nonsense. Well no, according to them God created everything but then we disobeyed so we were sentenced to suffer for our life so clean our sins or something like that. But not sure those shit are God creation, maybe they have some explanation like Lucifer or maybe it's a punishment for whatever I don't know :/ Don't try to find reasons, it's religion xD Maybe we should all pray for God to sit down behind his supercomputer and post here to clarify this for us. How about it God? Let's go, don't be shy. What is your excuse? Too busy. I think you've had enough rest sitting on your ass for 13.8 BILLION years doing squat. Or creating other worlds! You know I've always loved the idea of not a god but a race of creators, always creating universe, shaping them so they be unique, since the beginning of the time. Like the foundators in Darksiders 2, don't know if you know the game (the word foundators is not the good one but I don't know the English word). Part of the thing that God is doing is, making all believers in Jesus to be brothers and sisters of Jesus. In other words, we get to partake of the Godhead, in Godness, which is Holiness. Why do you want to miss out on this? |
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Firstly, I am not an imposter behind a supercomputer. Just some guy behind a ten year old single core junkbox.
This thread has so far concentrated on the stupidly obvious tests of "is there is big tooth fairy bloke in the sky with a big grey beard and a magic wand who can cure herpes and everything else that is wrong with the world" which of course there is not.
I direct posters to consider not "is it literally true that the abovementioned god exists and will cure my herpes if I go to the dirty whores and then put enough penitence in the collection box to cure what I got from them" but instead consider "is it operationally true that god exists; such that if I live my life in the best possible way, god will have arranged that the globally best possible outcome occurs"
That is, god does not smite the wicked for the convenience of the devout in almost all observable circumstances, but he might sometimes send one cosmic ray to tweak the DNA of a virus if doing so ends a line of horrible whoreloving sob bad-guys and improves the next thousand years of history for everyone else. The argument for "does god operationally exist?" is then "out of all the cosmic ray tweaks which could have been made, did he do the best one?"
Well your new statements ignore the fact that God is omnipotent. If God was omnipotent he wouldn't have to do "the best possible one" as everything is possible to him. That's at least what the Christians/Muslims/Jews are trying to make us believe. Just because God is omnipotent, doesn't mean people are omniscient. God doesn't have to do anything if He doesn't want. However, whatever He does is the best. But, if God ever did something that was NOT the best, you wouldn't know... because you are not anywhere near omniscient enough. Nonsense. The "best" would be for everyone to be happy no? An omnipotent could do that. You're not going t tell us that everything is the best world possible? --' Go read Voltaire dude... It is kind of a shame that you are unwilling to come and be happy with us. But it is your own choice. Seems to me that I read that The International Bible Society was founded in the same building (house) that Voltaire died in, 100 years to the day after he died. Is this true? |
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Why do people pray? Studies have confirmed that prayer does nothing... God has never once cured AIDS, Parkinson's disease, herpes, downs' syndrome, an amputation, or even so much as heal a scar or papercut... People may claim God cured they cancer, or other ailment which went into remission, but its only ever things that could happen naturally... God never fixes a missing arm or leg... God never cures an incurable virus... God has never made an infertile woman have a child... God does not do these things, which would be simple for a God, because there is no God... Try it out... pray for an amputee to regrow an arm or leg and watch God sit on his ass laughing at you... Just because God doesn't always answer prayer in the ways we want, doesn't mean that He is not listening. For example. He hears all the things you are saying. And when He has cured all the pains and problems for those who believe in Him, by taking them home to Heaven, you will be burning in Hell with worse pains and problems than you could have ever imagined... all because you didn't believe in God. Which is the proof he's really a dick! I mean comon, it's horrible! It's like if I tell you "if you don't believe I'm an alien, I'll take you home and cut your nuts, then make them regrow and redo it for eternity" but without giving any proof! That's horrible! There is one major difference between God and what you say. You are the one who is cutting your own nuts, and God is trying to heal you, but you won't let him. |
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can you see the air you breath? no. can you feel it? do you believe its there? yes.
thats it. similar thing is with god.. i am not justifyimg a sinle religions god, because I don't want a single religion to be targeted...
Listen, neuroscientists are mapping how the human brain works as we speak. youtube Ray Kurzweil. We are getting very close to fully understand what exactly is happening to our brain when we think, talk, write posts on bitcointalk.org, memorize things etc. I bet religion is infecting the emotional part of your brain first, then it spreads to reasoning/logical part, essentially causing hallucinations, emotional short circuits etc. You are right, it is not fair to single out one particular religion. They are all bat shit crazy. I see no distinguishable difference between them. People who believe in this stuff should be hospitalized. They pose danger to themselves and others. You religiously believe this, then. When someone says he/she doesn't believe something, our friend BADecker will quickly come and say he/she believes it. I don't even know how to respond to such contradictory logic. BADecker - there must be chaos in your mind, man. And there you have it. You don't know how to respond, just like you don't realize that there are many things that you believe, that are contrary to the things that you have convinced yourself that you believe. You know, it's not even funny anymore. I mean, at first it was amusing to see all the mess there was inside your head, but now you're just messing with people. You're either slow or just flipping people off for the fun of it. It's easy to understand why reality seems to hurt you. But isn't it time you grow up? I mean, man. What were we talking about? Wasn't it the proof that God exists? I have shown you the proof, and you can't even think your way through it to analyze it. Perhaps you should head back to school and get an education. Prove God exists using methods and experiments that can be repeated by anyone with the same result. Saying God exists because things around us exist and that's proof of His existence are just empty words. Almost everyone in the world uses the methods that I have been talking about, everyday. People don't need to experiment with them. They are way beyond experimenting. For example. When you first got a computer and the Internet, you experimented with it to teach yourself how to use it. But now, you get onto Bitcointalk without any trouble. You are way beyond experimenting with the computer and the Internet. Likewise, people use cause and effect everyday. People recognize the complexity of the universe... at least the world they live in everyday. People recognize entropy all the time... in erosion if nothing else... or the fact that their car runs out of gas. How in the world much more experimentation do you need? Get out there and use stuff in life, and you will be proving the existence of God to yourself. BADecker, Ask God to post on this forum, asking him to use id from 2011. Or better yet, post on all the forums out there. "Hey people, I'm your God, you know....blah,blah, have been busy for the last 6000 years, sorry for not getting back to you sooner..." He is all knowing, so he is obviously reading this thread. Hey God, where the fuck are you when BADecker needs you? God my ass, you fool. God has been posting through those of us who believe in Him. Turn and believe in Him, before it is too late for you, and you perish in the Hell you are making for yourself. |
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can you see the air you breath? no. can you feel it? do you believe its there? yes.
thats it. similar thing is with god.. i am not justifyimg a sinle religions god, because I don't want a single religion to be targeted...
Listen, neuroscientists are mapping how the human brain works as we speak. youtube Ray Kurzweil. We are getting very close to fully understand what exactly is happening to our brain when we think, talk, write posts on bitcointalk.org, memorize things etc. I bet religion is infecting the emotional part of your brain first, then it spreads to reasoning/logical part, essentially causing hallucinations, emotional short circuits etc. You are right, it is not fair to single out one particular religion. They are all bat shit crazy. I see no distinguishable difference between them. People who believe in this stuff should be hospitalized. They pose danger to themselves and others. You religiously believe this, then. When someone says he/she doesn't believe something, our friend BADecker will quickly come and say he/she believes it. I don't even know how to respond to such contradictory logic. BADecker - there must be chaos in your mind, man. And there you have it. You don't know how to respond, just like you don't realize that there are many things that you believe, that are contrary to the things that you have convinced yourself that you believe. You know, it's not even funny anymore. I mean, at first it was amusing to see all the mess there was inside your head, but now you're just messing with people. You're either slow or just flipping people off for the fun of it. It's easy to understand why reality seems to hurt you. But isn't it time you grow up? I mean, man. What were we talking about? Wasn't it the proof that God exists? I have shown you the proof, and you can't even think your way through it to analyze it. Perhaps you should head back to school and get an education. Prove God exists using methods and experiments that can be repeated by anyone with the same result. Saying God exists because things around us exist and that's proof of His existence are just empty words. Almost everyone in the world uses the methods that I have been talking about, everyday. People don't need to experiment with them. They are way beyond experimenting. For example. When you first got a computer and the Internet, you experimented with it to teach yourself how to use it. But now, you get onto Bitcointalk without any trouble. You are way beyond experimenting with the computer and the Internet. Likewise, people use cause and effect everyday. People recognize the complexity of the universe... at least the world they live in everyday. People recognize entropy all the time... in erosion if nothing else... or the fact that their car runs out of gas. How in the world much more experimentation do you need? Get out there and use stuff in life, and you will be proving the existence of God to yourself. Beyond experimenting. Riiiight. I got it now. Totally makes sense. Then please explain it to the rest of us... we who live the experiment of life. |
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Can yo prove that love exist? Or our spirit? Or black holes? You can't see such things but you believe in them. So, why is so difficult to believe in God? Because you can't see him? Do you really think that created being can prove existence of his Creator? I don't think so God created all universe, science, all natural laws and He is beyond it. And yet he cannot muster one lousy post in this thread.... Unless of course he/she is imaginary and does not exist God is posting through those of us who believe in Him. Through us He s inviting you to come and believe in the salvation offered by His Son, Jesus. |
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Why do people pray? Studies have confirmed that prayer does nothing... God has never once cured AIDS, Parkinson's disease, herpes, downs' syndrome, an amputation, or even so much as heal a scar or papercut... People may claim God cured they cancer, or other ailment which went into remission, but its only ever things that could happen naturally... God never fixes a missing arm or leg... God never cures an incurable virus... God has never made an infertile woman have a child... God does not do these things, which would be simple for a God, because there is no God... Try it out... pray for an amputee to regrow an arm or leg and watch God sit on his ass laughing at you... Just because God doesn't always answer prayer in the ways we want, doesn't mean that He is not listening. For example. He hears all the things you are saying. And when He has cured all the pains and problems for those who believe in Him, by taking them home to Heaven, you will be burning in Hell with worse pains and problems than you could have ever imagined... all because you didn't believe in God. |
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Firstly, I am not an imposter behind a supercomputer. Just some guy behind a ten year old single core junkbox.
This thread has so far concentrated on the stupidly obvious tests of "is there is big tooth fairy bloke in the sky with a big grey beard and a magic wand who can cure herpes and everything else that is wrong with the world" which of course there is not.
I direct posters to consider not "is it literally true that the abovementioned god exists and will cure my herpes if I go to the dirty whores and then put enough penitence in the collection box to cure what I got from them" but instead consider "is it operationally true that god exists; such that if I live my life in the best possible way, god will have arranged that the globally best possible outcome occurs"
That is, god does not smite the wicked for the convenience of the devout in almost all observable circumstances, but he might sometimes send one cosmic ray to tweak the DNA of a virus if doing so ends a line of horrible whoreloving sob bad-guys and improves the next thousand years of history for everyone else. The argument for "does god operationally exist?" is then "out of all the cosmic ray tweaks which could have been made, did he do the best one?"
Well your new statements ignore the fact that God is omnipotent. If God was omnipotent he wouldn't have to do "the best possible one" as everything is possible to him. That's at least what the Christians/Muslims/Jews are trying to make us believe. Just because God is omnipotent, doesn't mean people are omniscient. God doesn't have to do anything if He doesn't want. However, whatever He does is the best. But, if God ever did something that was NOT the best, you wouldn't know... because you are not anywhere near omniscient enough. |
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Let me tell you something, as a theology major, that is: theology is nonsense. And I can and am allowed to say that because mine is an informed opinion. I'm not just talking out of my ass. And after 5 years my opinion (doesn't have to be yours too) is that it's just a bunch of hooey. How easy it is to make nonsense up, make people believe it, and then live out of people's ignorance. It's genius!
Perhaps if you had been a spiritual major, all that theology would have made some sense to you. Too bad. All that training, and what good did it do you. Essentially none... at least in the ways that are worth anything of eternal value. Go study science with a focus on finding out how cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy combine to prove the existence of God. Then go back and review your theological training. You just might come to understand that even you can be saved for eternal life in pleasure and joy. Yeah - it took me 5 years of studying theology to finally understand that it's all nonsense. That's my opinion, please respect it, I'll respect your and that's it. Don't force your ideas upon others. Go be with Jesus. In Hell you will be saying for eternity, "Please God, let that guy force faith in you on me." If God is so powerful and full of mercy and love He will forgive me, because I'm small and limited and He is all powerful. If not then He is spiteful and keeps spite like a small child. He is trying to forgive you. But you will receive none of it. The retarded black person over in Africa, who never learned to read or write, and who is not saved because he worships the idol his family taught him to worship, will be punished less in Hell than you, a theology major, who intentionally rejected God after you found out all about Him. Now that's one of the most racist thing I've read in some time. You mean to say that black people are retarded? Or that he will go to Hell because he can't or did not learn to read? Or because his parents taught him something and not about your God that he will go to Hell even if he hasn't never heard about God? Dude... That's wrong on so many levels, i don't even know what to say... You racist, you. Turning the things that I say into racism, and then emphasizing the racist part. The person that doesn't know about God and goes to Hell will be punished less than the one who knows about God and rejects Him. You call black people retarded and call me racist? You little sneaky... No. You were the one who did that. Of course, why should it matter? Obviously you don't like my race... by the things you say. How did you both went on the racism point? I mean not everything HAS to go on that ground you know? ^^ Obviously, you didn't read these posts. |
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Dude stop spamming, you don't have to make 4 answers just to say one sentence each time. It takes place on my screen and on my internet connection (which is low I know).
He means you, Mr.flea-bit-hat. That was just mean, and uncalled for. So when other users make reason you're just throwing insults? That's so christian of you. Oh, no. You hypocrite. You feign pain when it makes you feel good. Otherwise you dish it out, and often worse than could think of doing. |
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Free will? That is something I can prove false...
If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)
Then free will cannot exist
God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)... he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!
You have free will in deciding to have faith in him or not. Best regards. No. You only have free will to decide not to believe in Him. However, if your free will is weak enough, the Holy spirit can work faith in your heart. So the Holy Spirit works better on the weak minded/spirited? That's really funny. That would mean that the ones that are atheists have strong mindsets. Thank you for the compliment. It's very welcome. Unfortunately for them, if their spiritual strength is strong enough to resist God, they are resisting their own salvation, and plunging themselves into Hell. Oh well. They asked for it. Even god gave them this ability. Jesus said, "Shake the dust off your feet." You wrote god instead of God. You sinner! How could you forget? What if God will forget to offer you air tomorrow?! you should be stoned to death or something. Jesus forgives me. And even if I get stoned - to death - God has a place in Heaven for me, with Him. If that happens I will not throw not even one stone. But neither will I stop the others that will throw them. But you'll be fine. God will take you. We'll drink a beer in your memory. All's cool. My memory of you when I am in Heaven will be non-existent... if you don't make it. It's going to be hard but I'll try to get over it somehow. But don't worry - you'll be floating on top of a big bowl of white mashed potatoes. And you'll be in the fire that keeps it nice and comfy warm. |
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There is too much pain and suffering in this world that so many innocents endure to believe there is a God that loves us like a parent would.
Why does He allow it? Or, seeing as how He knows the future, He did so from the beginning. Is it some kind of sadistic thing?
Mankind rejected God in the Garden, and brought this pain and death on us. Jesus salvation is the way out. We will never understand the reasons why it works like it does. at least not outside of Heaven. The point is getting there. Once this world is destroyed, it will never be brought to remembrance again. NO! Adam and Eve rejected God. We should NOT be punished because they were stupid! God is wrong for doing so! Seems to me you are rejecting God. Been in anybody elses heart and mind lately to find out if they are rejecting God? Or if they only seem like they are rejecting God. From what I've understood we're paying for Adam and Eve's sins. And that's not cool. How about if you were to be put in prison because someone you don't know, you've never met and is in another country did something you're not guilty of? Actually, this doesn't seem to matter to you... that we might be paying for the sins of someone else. Why not? Because you reject the way out, which is to have faith in the salvation made by Jesus Christ. Adam and Eve accepted Jesus (though they may not have known Him by that name). So, you show that you welcome sins worse than Adam and Eve committed, because you won't accept the only way out... Jesus. You are self-condemned. |
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