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3241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2013, 01:12:28 AM
Gox 900!
3242  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2013, 01:08:48 AM
1000 tonight...?   Look at the money coming in - wow!
3243  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2013, 12:48:22 AM
Just been watching fiatleaks money flow - showing no bitcoins into CNY - but lots into USD...

Just wondering are the Chinese somehow buying in USD and selling in CNY?

http://fiatleak.com/

Is it just no data?  Anyone tell me what's up - maybe take a look?

EDIT: I mean CNY into BTC - late evening here!
3244  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 10:26:17 PM
HAHAH 'tell me about who created it'

NOBODY FUCKING KNOWS

Satoshi knows - she smiled!
3245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 10:09:08 PM
Have they even mentioned gambling yet?

Nah - gambling lobby pays too much into DC coffers - off limits!
3246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
Cheeky bastard brito talkin about DRONES!

I think he is taking on their fears / objections and knocking them down - it's classic selling and he is helping on balance.  Plus he mentioned Bitcoin so many times it spiked the price nicely....
3247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
China went over 500 briefly 20 mins back

EDIT: 5000
3248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:49:08 PM
Allaire - good stuff!

+1
3249  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:47:08 PM
Was that Murck guy the best Bitcoin can muster - he is such a nerdy bore....
3250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:42:01 PM
Murck is boooooooring!

Asian beauty behind him is much more watchable....
3251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:40:10 PM
Hmmm... I thought we were done

"Anonymity is..... catastrophe"

Hope this guy waves our flag...
3252  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
I love how the Brittish call Americans yanks Tongue

Traditional over here, but apologies to those South of the Mason-Dixon line who would rather we didn't  Wink

I was nervously buying through the 600s, hoping none of those guys were going to say anything odd... but it was peachy from the word go.

Easy money....
3253  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
"Virtual Currency is not ILLEGAL.... WE are not stopping INNOVATION !"

FCK YEAH!!!!


Rather good, in summary - speaking from the UK the US is being remarkably more grown up than we feared.

And may I add a little understated, British "Choo Choo!"



Americans reporting in:


Probably appropriate - you Yanks do loud so much better than we do somehow...  
3254  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
"Virtual Currency is not ILLEGAL.... WE are not stopping INNOVATION !"

FCK YEAH!!!!


Rather good, in summary - speaking from the UK the US is being remarkably more grown up than we feared.

And may I add a little understated, British "Choo Choo!"

3255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin on the rise, you migth want to stay away from Alt-Coins until it has sta on: November 09, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
Why is it always a "bubble" or some "pump and dump"? Could it actually be that there are a billion and a half oppressed people in communist land that actually have a mechanism to exercise a freedom that their gubment doesn't control? Of course it could just be some winged unicorn in the sky theory though. I have no idea what its like there.



if the rises were steady, then i'd say the rise in price is based on the utility of the coin. i don't think the utility has quadrupled in 2ish weeks, like the price has... so it does seem like a bubble.

Agree on bubble - just cashed out 25% of all my BTC at 383 - am happy and feel ok it might go way higher, but too tempting to take some into cash now, definitely feel it's the right thing to do.  If it goes up beyond 500, Will not feel stupid, I still have majority of my BTC - but now my coin is all paid for at any price.  If it drops, I will have cash to buy 'em back.   

I feel there is nothing to support this price rise in particular, other than speculation. From the average punter's perspective it's hard to get in, harder to get out, risky - and only worth what speculation says it is.  No serious mainstream utility value outside 'fringe' use and gambling exists yet - and there won't be with this instability and slow movement of transactions - you can't retail at a set price when no-one will spend in a rising market and everyone will want to if it's crashing.

I am prepared to be laughed at of course - but you will be using 20/20 hindsight which (right now) we don't have the advantage of.

We shall see - but I think a correction is imminent and I would far rather sell 'too early' than wish I had when it is too late.
3256  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC Utilty "The Hooker Point" on: July 07, 2013, 07:35:36 PM
Maybe we should stick to the more accepted and widely popular "McDonald Big Mac Index?"

Fair point - except McDonalds have a global policy, hookers don't.

McDonalds could be refusing BTC even when it is widely adopted, so I still think the Hooker Point is more universal.

K
3257  Economy / Economics / BTC Utilty "The Hooker Point" on: July 06, 2013, 11:07:42 AM
I just posted this on a topic elsewhere, but I wanted to give it a thread of its own as it is about BTC price and utility which are fundamental concerns to us all:

  i cant even get a hooker for btc.

This is one of the most insightful comments I have seen on this forum for some time.

As someone interested in economics, I think the establishment of a measure for the adoption level of a digital currency would be useful, and I think 'The Hooker Point' is perfect for it.

If we take an average city of (say) 100,000 inhabitants we can deem it to have reached this point when it is possible within the city's limits to find a locally available defined sexual service directly from a provider (without a 3rd party exchange involved) with a given currency in a (controlled) 24 hour period.

So a country can be defined by how many Hooker Point cities it has, or what proportion of its qualifying cities have reached the Hooker Point (for BTC).

Comparisons can be made over time and against other countries.

Since currencies go back to pre-literate times and prostitution is the oldest profession, it is a measure likely to remain current for the foreseeable future.


Further comment on price and utilty:
1. Market prices fall when more people want to sell than buy, and prices rise for the opposite reason.

2. People's choice as to whether they wish to be a buyer or seller is affected by their needs (entering or leaving a market due to the need to buy or sell what the market trades) or for reasons of sentiment (optimism or pessimism about the market price).

3. Although economics supposedly deals in rational situations in the market place, it is a fact that markets and sentiments are not necessarily rational.  A herd instinct, or copying instinct means that people often buy because people are buying - or sell because people are selling.

4. At present BTC has little practical utility (see 'Hooker Point' above).   Therefore, the market for it is much more heavily influenced by sentiment than other markets.  Since most people do not need to pay their rent or buy food with it, its value is almost entirely based on sentiment.

The only conclusion a rational person can reach in the light of the above is that any price predictions for BTC are very likely to be completely and utterly useless.
3258  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Prices Crashing Now! on: July 06, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
i cant even get a hooker for btc.

Interesting.

This is one of the most insightful comments I have seen on this forum for some time.

As someone interested in economics, I think the establishment of a measure for the adoption level of a digital currency would be useful, and I think 'The Hooker Point' is perfect for it.

If we take an average city of (say) 100,000 inhabitants we can deem it to have reached this point when it is possible within the city's limits to find a locally available defined sexual service directly from a provider (without a 3rd party exchange involved) with a given currency in a (controlled) 24 hour period.

So a country can be defined by how many Hooker Point cities it has, or what proportion of its qualifying cities have reached the Hooker Point (for BTC).

Comparisons can be made over time and against other countries.

Since currencies go back to pre-literate times and prostitution is the oldest profession, it is a measure likely to remain current for the foreseeable future.


Further comment:
1. Market prices fall when more people want to sell than buy, and prices rise for the opposite reason.

2. People's choice as to whether they wish to be a buyer or seller is affected by their needs (entering or leaving a market due to the need to buy or sell what the market trades) or for reasons of sentiment (optimism or pessimism about the market price).

3. Although economics supposedly deals in rational situations in the market place, it is a fact that markets and sentiments are not necessarily rational.  A herd instinct, or copying instinct means that people often buy because people are buying - or sell because people are selling.

4. At present BTC has little practical utility (see 'Hooker Point' above).   Therefore, the market for it is much more heavily influenced by sentiment than other markets.  Since most people do not need to pay their rent or buy food with it, its value is almost entirely based on sentiment.

The only conclusion a rational person can reach in the light of the above is that any price predictions for BTC are very likely to be completely and utterly useless.
3259  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: anyone else having trouble with mtgox? on: June 16, 2013, 10:08:51 PM
Back in... phew...
3260  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: anyone else having trouble with mtgox? on: June 16, 2013, 09:31:43 PM
I go to the mtgox page, click "login" and nothing happens.

No login on either PC or Mac - restarted everything and simply can't get access.

At least I am not alone, but Mt Gox doesn't need to make us any more nervous right now...

It's (unfortunately) too central to BTC and is not that well managed enough to reassure anyone, it's just the default option for us all for trade.

Not good news.  Yet again.

With the N American lawsuit screw up, the Dwolla situation and OK Pay bailng out too - not much to reassure anyone just as the battle was looking even around the 100 USD support point.

Hmmm...  

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