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3241  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: We are finally going to $22k on: October 04, 2019, 03:55:28 PM
No way, 22 k isn't next goal. I think we are on a road to 6 k. Even in bullish scenario I predict 17 k maximum in next half a year.
So I think your prediction is wrong. Let's see after a period of time
Actually it's not a prediction of around half an year. It's a pretty long term prediction which may come true until the end of 2020. Moreover i am not predicting anything all I am doing is just sharing the past scenarios in which the btc has been and how it has moved out of those scenarios. Always when it halves from the previous high it acts as a support on the channel and gets ready for a wave up. Moreover TA is a game of probabilities and no one can say that this will 100% happen.
3242  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 8 Ways to Make Money with Bitcoin in 2020 on: October 04, 2019, 03:37:43 PM
So you want to get your hands on some totally free bitcoin, eh?

In contrast to individuals's knowledge, getting bitcoin is easy, there are a variety of methods to earn bitcoin online- some extra popular than the others

here are several of the most famous ways to earn money with bitcoin Smiley

https://youtu.be/yyYTaZUoMUI
You know what I was watching this video while my neighbour stepped in. we watched the video together he said this video has changed his life and it has touched his heart. We then decided to rent a projector and show it to all the people in my village. My village people are so grateful for this. They say this has changed their lives. Now everyone can make money with Bitcoin.  Grin

I mean c'mon mate there were just 3 legit reasons including mining, trading and affiliate to some extent. No one has made a fortune in faucet. And even these aren't anything new limited only to 2020 everyone has been doing it since 2012. Gambling not to mention is never a way to make money.
3243  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not a bubble! on: October 04, 2019, 03:20:32 PM
People really need to start looking at charts using the logarthmic scale instead of the linear scale. For something that has periods of exponential growth, like crypto, a linear chart hides much of the history. Ups and downs prior to an exponential growth phase just get reduced to flat lines, and so the linear chart doesn't tell the story of what actually happened. All you see is what has happened in the latest cycle.

For anyone who thinks bitcoin is a bubble: go to CMC, look at the charts over all time, and then crucially switch it from linear to log view. Voila. The growth pattern is as plain as day.


Actually this is untrue. Linear charts are equally helpful especially when you want to trade upon Cryptocurrencies. Generally is shorter time frames you won't see much deviation between a linear chart and a logarithmic chart but on longer time frames you will see that logarithmic chart gives an idea of overall trend but linear chart is helpful to tell the important support and resistance levels of markets along with some important breakouts too. Both have their own importance and one cannot undermine the importance of the other.
3244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency user friendly? on: October 04, 2019, 11:03:17 AM
I'm curious to know what the community thinks in terms of how user friendly entering this market is? I know we've come a long way from the days when UX/UI was extremely poor for most companies but are there other areas that require improvement?
Bitcoin is really problematic in many things let it be long transaction times or low speed or maybe high use of electricity for mining but one thing in which it is great is being user friendly. Bitcoin core has a great interface which makes transactions too easy. Pickup any private key wallet just a scan of qr code would do the work for you. I don't think there is any problem in a user friendly interface when it comes to bitcoin.
For ordinary users of cryptocurrencies, especially non-English speakers, using bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as a means of payment is still a significant challenge. The question is not only just to make a transaction. You also need to protect your cryptocurrency from possible attacks by cybercriminals and this also enters into the ability to use cryptocurrency. There are certain difficulties with the transfer of funds from one cryptocurrency to another. Sometimes for this you need to go to the exchange, register, undergo a KYC check. For young people who spend considerable time on the Internet, this can be simple. However, not everyone spends their free time on the Internet and not everyone has the opportunity to keep up with technological progress. For a significant part of the world's population, the use of cryptocurrency is still very difficult and if it is not simplified and, most importantly, safe, they will not use it.
I think for Non-english speakers whole internet is a challenge. Not to be biased but basically everything on web is in English so language barriers just can never end. With help of google translate you may use translation on exchanges to help you out.
3245  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not a bubble! on: October 04, 2019, 10:12:59 AM
I think both the currencies are made of thin air.
Wrong,bitcoin is not made out of thin air,it were mined by the miners ad got the instrinsic value as well.Proof of work is the electricity we are using to mine the bitcoins.

We can't compare this with printing money because cost for printing $100 is not anywhere near its value and could be same as printing $1.
Hahah funny you don't realise that even cost of mining one bitcoin is also never $8000 or did you say you burned $8000 for mining a bitcoin? Let's face even if mining bitcoin takes a bit more effort still it is created out of thin code to be more specific. I know most people won't digest this fact but this is truth. Only security which i know takes a lot hell time to build and can't be created out of thin air is gold but it can't be used as a currency. My point was not to undermine the importance of bitcoin but to make clear that the time taken for creation doesn't determine status of money. Nevertheless i am pretty sure btc in its current form is impossible to be used as a replacement of fiat.
If you consider you were burning your money for mining bitcoin the same applies to gold mining as well.So you can create your own bitcoin! but it will not be same as original since when codes altered then its hardfork not the real one.

Gold was used as curreny too but the convenience and physical mass of gold moved the civilization to choose a paper as money. Cheesy
The point isn't that. Point is that money which i am using for mining is not being burned it is being exchanged as someone is selling it. Moreover Bitcoin mining can help me create my own bitcoin is itself a significant fact that it is made out of thin air which is what i am trying to say. Moreover hardfork is something different altogether. Gold wasn't refuted as currency due to its mass but because it can't be created unlimited like fiat which made it a deflationary currency just like bitcoin which is why we are trying to say that bitcoin might not be able to be as successful as a daily currency as we are expecting.
3246  Economy / Economics / Re: Build a Bank Of Bitcoin on: October 04, 2019, 09:07:27 AM
if i build a bank of bitcoin that operating like a traditional fiat money bank when people can save the money and get interest for their saving and also people can get a loan from my bank but the fiat money is change for bitcoin, the question is would you guys trust me to save your bitcoin on my bitcoin bank that i want to build ?
Question is how do you intend to give interest to anyone when the currency itself would deflate over time. We have the concept of interest rates in fiat currency because it is an inflationary currency and we keep the rate of interest above the rate of inflation but in case of a deflationary currency things will get much more complicated. people would return their loans earliest because what they borrowed yesterday is much more valuable today and will become too expensive tomorrow. Please make me understand that how would you give interest rate when you yourself won't be able to earn anything. Let's take you accept deposit of 5BTC and intend to give interest rate @ rate of 5% per annum and you give loan to people at rate of 10% per annum. Now people would start repaying their loans ASAP as both the BTC price will increase and the amount of loan to be repaid would increase. Moreover people investing in your bank would be much higher than those taking loan and itself would implode. 
3247  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: October 04, 2019, 08:05:52 AM
South Africa won the first session without a doubt. Elgar and Faf both looking strong against spin, it was interesting to watch Faf's sweep shots against the Ashwin-Jadeja, it tells you how confident he is against the spin on another hand Elgar adjusted to the conditions beautifully but he needs to avoid aerial shots if he wants big 100, he was lucky few times.

For India its waiting game, Pitch still good to bat on, with an uneven bounce here and there, it can bring them wickets, and they need to capitalize those moments.
Yes I am astonished by the performance of Elgar against Indian spinners. South Africa's start looked really grim but now they are back into the game. I think Indian team won't be much surprised as they still have an upper hand but I think the dreams of India to enforce South Africa into a follow on could just shatter. Although that being said Faf has lost his wicket but De Kock too is batting very nicely so I think maybe they can together make the total reach upto 300 from where they can look forward to draw this match because after that great first innings South Africa's chances to win this match are certainly over.
3248  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: We are finally going to $22k on: October 04, 2019, 07:57:23 AM
This TA also says it is possible to go back to $6k which is also the case with Master Luc's ongoing TA.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/JSP3KDmy-New-long-term-prediction-as-I-see-it-now/

You should also change your title. We are not going to $22k. We are going to the moon. ($80-100k) You don't think when we get to that point we'll be staying at the bottom of the chart do you? There will be so much hype by the time we pass the last ATH and then moonshots!
I am not actually making any baseless assumptions like 80-100K I think we are at 8k currently and 22k looks like a realistic assumption and this is the reason why I kept my analysis only upto that. Moreover this TA I think is a bit biased towards bullishness. This old school upward trend is not at all realistic in high leverage market today which even allows you to short the market. Yet I think we can go somewhere around $25k.

I've been looking at the same thing with halvings, and yes, but i think that next 20k will be just a confirmation that we will hit insane bull run after that.

But it has been so obvious TA that it makes me rethink that i must be wrong with this one.
My mind keeps telling be that this can't be so easy, that bitcoin always screws me somehow.
But then again when it was only $300, in a million years i wouldn't have thought that we would go near even to 10k, that it would be too easy.
Now it makes me think that every chart i draw is too conservative when it says the next ath is under 500k. Smiley So, 20k? sure, it will be a start.
Haha It screws everyone I think it's not bitcoin that screws everyone instead it is the Whale manipulation that screws us all. But To be very frank I think half a million is too high value for a mere digital currency no matter what it can be used for. If it does reaches 500k then era of fiat is definitely ending.
3249  Economy / Economics / Re: Differences between an investor and common man! on: October 04, 2019, 07:42:25 AM
What are the things differ from mindset of common man with investor,please share your thoughts.

IMO,investors never want to take loans for their consumption like home loan,car loan,etc then just save money and will buy the things for their needs but common man like you and me will buy the things immediately when we get the desire of it using loans but we are paying 20% of interest to those kind of loans.
Investors actually have a very different mentality than that of a common man. They always think about building assets which could give them future cash flows instead of some useless assets which would depriciate over time. However everyone's system of planning is absolutely different as they set their own rules before buying anything. For Example, Some of them set a rule that a car must atleast be equal to 2 Months of their passive income and only this would mean that they can afford it. So, Investor is actually not an adjective it's a way of living your life.
3250  Economy / Economics / Re: China launching its own crypto currency ? on: October 04, 2019, 05:05:55 AM
China is all set to launch its own crypto currency for more than 1 billion of its population how will it effect the crypto market ?
First of all such a Cryptocurrency wont be cryptic at all because china would definitely have control excess over all the transactions and KYC would be mandatory so instead of saying it Cryptocurrency it's better to say it a digital currency. Moreover china is popularly known for creating it's very own version of everything instead of using something created overseas. It might be the part of the make in China initiative or whatever. They have their own google, youtube, facebook and now Bitcoin. World won't be benefited much from it. All it would do is act as a gateway between fiat world and Cryptocurrencies for the chinese people as they would first have to buy these crypto in order to buy bitcoin which they currently can't.
3251  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not a bubble! on: October 04, 2019, 04:25:56 AM
I think both the currencies are made of thin air.
Wrong,bitcoin is not made out of thin air,it were mined by the miners ad got the instrinsic value as well.Proof of work is the electricity we are using to mine the bitcoins.

We can't compare this with printing money because cost for printing $100 is not anywhere near its value and could be same as printing $1.
Hahah funny you don't realise that even cost of mining one bitcoin is also never $8000 or did you say you burned $8000 for mining a bitcoin? Let's face even if mining bitcoin takes a bit more effort still it is created out of thin code to be more specific. I know most people won't digest this fact but this is truth. Only security which i know takes a lot hell time to build and can't be created out of thin air is gold but it can't be used as a currency. My point was not to undermine the importance of bitcoin but to make clear that the time taken for creation doesn't determine status of money. Nevertheless i am pretty sure btc in its current form is impossible to be used as a replacement of fiat.
3252  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not a bubble! on: October 03, 2019, 06:28:11 PM
People who cannot understand the idea of introduction of decentralized payment system still saying it as bubble but the fact is bitcoin keeps raising after a fall that we could imagined that it will bump again so bitcoin got its own way of adopting to the economic system for that people will take time to understand.

Rightly said, people don't realize the intrinsic value of BTC due to which it was at a sudden surge. I agree that $19K was an overbloated price for any digital currency at time. But with advent of time bitcoin has shown that it is still useful which means it can be used as a mainstream method of settlement after some improvements.
People even say bitcoin doesn't got any intrinsic value which clearly shows that they didn't understand how bitcoin was made.

Even some economists saying that bitcoin can be made out of thin air so people who want to invest on bitcoin will face losses.After seeing those article I can't be able to control my laugh.
Actually the thing is thin air air is pretty controversial topic. The economists are of an opinion that fiat is not made of thin air because the government has backed all it's nation's asset and GDP before it's creation. While bitcoin is created with nothing but a mere code. I don't completely agree or disagree with them. I think both the currencies are made of thin air. But the thing is that there is no qualification over a currency that only something which takes years of time and resources can be termed as a currency. Currency can be anything that can be used as a medium of exchange and it's value is determined by it's widespread adoption. If we say that currencies around the world are backed by governments then we are wrong. They are actually backed by the people who use them for their business and have constructed their GDP on basis of that currency. Otherwise even Zimbawean Dollar was backed by their government we all know how it ended.
3253  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 03, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
I have been posting the 4h chart for a day or two. So here is my daily chart analysis regarding the direction.


Tonight's close is really crucial if you see the RSI. we sort of just edged out of the oversold zone but couldn't hold it and went right down into it again. If until the close of the candle we can get back into 20-80 RSI range then definitely there is a change in trend. Also you can see the MACD histogram going down which means MACD crossover can take place in a day or two but for that RSI needs to close above the 20 mark. We currently aren't exactly bearish but not even bullish. If the close is below 20 & we break the 8000 support then get ready for a shakedown until the edge of this parallel downward channel. which may be somewhere around 6k. All on All currently you can stay out of the market even the 4h chart is somewhat not giving anything the double bottom miserably failed as we break below the neckline. Here is that analysis:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188889.msg52607399#msg52607399
3254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why haven't governments illegalized bitcoin transactions? on: October 03, 2019, 05:57:51 PM
I have heard some stories about making bitcoin transactions illegal. It's all been a humor and I don't think any government have officially made bitcoin transactions illegal. Why is that?
Many governments are trying to regulate bitcoin, control exchanges and force people to be authorized. But I am sure government wish bitcoin was not created and there was no trouble of regulating bitcoin. They  prefer their fiat to any other currency.
Why no government have made bitcoin transactions illegal?
I think they want to avoid creating an underground market.They don't want bitcoin to be traded like Alcohol and drugs. They have to accept bitcoin as they cannot stop a decentralized network and now they can only try to regulate it. Do you agree with me? Is there any other things have caused governments to not make bitcoin illegal?
There are two reasons behind why governments have not made Bitcoin transactions illegal until yet:

1. It isn't that easy to Completely stop transactions:We all know weed is illegal but how far has government been able to stop it's circulation in even the top tier cities of States. Bitcoin is pretty similar too. Declaring bitcoin transaction illegal would actually have no impact because it is already impossible to trace them as of now. Recently there might have been a bit uprise in such tracing due to KYC of exchanges but still core transactions of btc over a private key wallet are absolutely untraceable.

2. Political Reasons: Let's face it biggest money launders in our world are the political leaders and political parties who regularly receive millions in form of undisclosed donation and bribery. This money is definitely fed into the crypto system and comes out clean after the process. This is another reason why government is a bit lethargic at banning crypto as their own business could stop.
3255  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: October 03, 2019, 05:05:55 PM
Those who bet on Srilanka for today's match maybe very happy until the first half as they have thought Pakistan will never be able to chase 298. But now they would be worried.
Betting for Sri Lanka to win the match would be suicide as they are not having a good team in this series, Pakistan playing in their home ground have all the confidence in the world and if Sri Lanka is able to score that much in the first innings, Pakistan has more talents to chase any score and that too with their weak bowling line up and they have won the match with a couple of overs left. Glad to see that weather is clear now to have some matches and the Pakistan crowd to enjoy cricket after a long long time.
Actually he is saying this because maybe Sri Lanka was never thought off as a competitive team for this series. Infact after the 2nd match they proved themselves why they couldn't be trusted. Even today odds were so low for sri lanka so that I think was the reason why people bidding for Sri Lanka would have been happy after watching them scoring 298. Even after that I think Sri Lanka gave a better fight today and atleast played like an international team unlike the last match where they were saved by just their two lower order batsmen.
Not actually. Both team ended up making same number of fours even including the fours from by runs. This was the 2nd time I have seen a tie score in number of fours out of 3 times I placed bet LOL. What do you call it? Co-incident when I bet? or unlucky LOL

However Pakistan to win was a winning bet and with the I have one single and one double gone waste.
Why bet on boundaries? Everyone knows that it is a 50-50 bet and you cannot realistically earn from this particular prop bet in the long term unless you are really good at predicting boundaries though equal number of boundaries is quite rare.

~snip~
I have seen a lot of people making a fortune on spot betting because they know how to read the nerves of the game. Not exactly in 50 over matches but in T20 some people can predict wickets and boundaries pretty well than others maybe from the stance of the batsmen or their body language or maybe how they had played the last two balls.
3256  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Daily trade Vs long trade on: October 03, 2019, 04:50:04 PM
I am a newbie of trading so i don't have proper knowledge about trading. But honestly i want to be a trader. But first time which trading is best for me daily or long term?
Thanks in advance.     
Daily trading is a very tough game not because market is unpredictable. But because we are humans we need some time to take our decisions and trading is a very hectic job. People often end up in a hell lot of depression while staying for 7 hours in market. So for any newbie i would suggest first to go long term. Because even if you make a wrong decision with your trade you have a lot of time to rectify the mistake but this won't be possible in case of day trading where matter of minutes can be a deciding factor in profits & loss. Moreover risk management technique required in Intra day needs to be more robust and effective than that in long term trading which is pretty difficult for any layman to create.
3257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statistics: Geez, I thought there were more females in bitcoin community on: October 03, 2019, 04:13:34 PM
I am not surprised with the fact that there so less females as you can even see yourself on the forum that there are pretty less females around. The two things about which I am surprised after seeing these charts is that:

1. Proportion of persons 18-24 being so less: We all know that young people who are studying or just in job have more interest in technology and are more aware about recent changes over the web. But i think the non seriousness of such 90skids is the reason of this stats. The 25-34 age group seems so obvious. I thought 18-24 would be on number two.

2. Engagement stat of the age group of 45-54 is soo damn high. I thought people over 45 have a rigid mentality that nothing in this world can do anything to beat traditional governments and I don't blame them for this they have lived most of their life over this idea. So I always thought they might have just comprised of 3-4% of the whole community.
3258  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not a bubble! on: October 03, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
Even though we aren't looking at the charts and the physical aspects only you will see that Bitcoin is no bubble. The fact the companies and (most) governments from each countries are preparing for mass adoption alone is a clear statement that the demand for cryptocurrency is only just starting and this is not a kind of hype just because we are only seeing price punps and dips this big. Aside from mass adoption you will see that the crypto industry itself is getting bigger and bigger not only through new projects launching ICOs but other businesses or establishments entering the market to have their own crypto related businesses.
I don't know which world do you live in because I know only a handful(5-6) of small governments who have actually legalized Cryptocurrencies and are doing something for its adoption. Unlike your "most government" theory i think most government are planning to ban or put restrictions over the use of bitcoin. Moreover coming to companies, everyday you see a new company accepting bitcoin as a means of payment the next day you hear another company dropping it as a means of payment. So I don't think that is any good currently.
We are talking once again for this topic which had been beaten to death for how many times already. Bitcoin is a bubble, Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme etc.

These critics would exist no matter what but for us (Bitcoin believers) would definitely oppose these kind of criticism yet weve been here on this market for how many
years and btc had proven out that it isn't the same for those stocks and other futures that slumped down to the death or almost on the ground.
Critiques actually had all the reasons to doubt btc looking at it's comparison chart with almost all bubble charts until last year so I don't blame them however this representation of bitcoin as of now should change most of the people's idea of bitcoin as a bubble.
3259  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: We are finally going to $22k on: October 03, 2019, 03:35:18 PM
It will not be a surprise if Bitcoin moves to $22K next year. We all have seen its movement in 2017. I agree to the point that most of the investors have lost their faith in ICOs and IEOs due to rising scams. Although IEOs have given a little push to crypto market but it still needs low of money inflow. Once investor's confidence on crypto projects is rebuilt, I do not think Bitcoin will take much time to reach $22K.
IEOs are equally a scam like the Icos except for the fact the these are a listed scams. I call icos scam bot because they run away with money but because they stay boldly without doing anything even after raising money. 99% of the Icos launched an year of couple of years ago have not achieved anything as per their road map.
Looking at the chart as a whole we aren't after all experiencing bear market but just dipping just for 2-3 years and will probably go on rising again.  I don't just dream of 22K though, I'm hoping for more. probably double it to 40K until the message to all the people in the world will be seen that we're in the age of digital currencies.
I strongly believe that it  is also the desire of each and every one of us to see that bitcoin price grows above $30k because this is the value that is enough to actually make many people happy about their investment in the coin, most especially many of the people that bought out of FOMO when the value of bitcoin reached the last ath of $19800.

Price at $22k is still not that bad anyway, but I think that bitcoin can actually do more in this next bull run, considering the fact that we have added  more in terms of adoption more than the previous adoption rate we had even in 2017 when the bull run sets it, it means when bull run starts now, there is going to be more buyer of bitcoin, therefore to achieve the predicted value may actually be a very simple target.
It's still not as simple as it seems. As i said main thing before last bull run was that a lot of people heard other's making money. This time it has to be something bigger and people need to realize the utility of blockchain for bull run to be triggered the event can be anything.
In any case, for all time, Bitcoin shows excellent dynamics. It is likely that after the halving, the price will begin to rise, however, given the manipulative state of the market, it is very interesting how the whales that own most of the bitcoins in the market will play cards. Mass cryptocurrency FOMO in the past. The big question is what will provoke people to buy bitcoin again, perhaps the rapid and continued growth will again create a wild excitement in which people want to give preference to bitcoin rather than altcoins.
The manipulation work on the both sides for whale. They are great at creating FUD and equally good at creating FOMO we just saw in last few months  that btc went to 10k from 3k so whales can take the price to 20k equally easily
3260  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not a bubble! on: October 03, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
People don't look at charts and just believe famous people about what bitcoin is and what are its current circumstances and that is why they are led astray by it. Bitcoin ain't a bubble, or at least it has passed that phase and is steadily accumulating more and more reputation as a proper and trustworthy coin to invest in. People rarely realize that bitcoin has held its own after the said bubble period and has started to once again rise above its mean. Trust Bitcoin.
Actually people don't look at chart before making any comment but the famous experts you are talking about do look them before making such comments and at one time it did followed the trend of any normal bubble but not anymore. Moreover if somehow btc gets a bull run people will definitely trust it because it has grown up once again from rock bottom.
We all trust bitcoin and blockchain but I still believe we still away from bitcoin not being a bubble as its still act like one. I love your graphs because you did some deep research on some but the volatility of bitcoin tell us we might be at the end of the bubble or this starts the end of the bubble which will ocurre after the next bull run ?
Nasdaq is not even closer to what bitcoin potential can be so that chart has good info when it comes to price direction and evolution but Bitcoin is way above Nasdaq or any other bubble that happen before. Also if bitcoin will be a bubble until the end then all our dreams will be in vain and a lot of people will go bankrupt and I highly doubt this will be the case.
Actually the thing is there are two types of bubbles one is a bubble which is completely empty without anything good out of it and once it bursts we hit the level zero like the tulip bubble but in case of housing bubble when it burst prices didn't went to zero they actually went to the mean level. So i think btc is somewhat of this type even if the bubble bursts we are just going to the mean price and definitely not to zero because blockchain does have a lot of utility. I agree Bitcoin is way above nasdaq or anything but gravity has a potential to pull everything down Cheesy
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