You are arguing that mutations can't be random because everything has a cause but you yourself said that god doesn't have a cause therefore mutations are random because everything was created by something without a cause,
You take it out of context, because you know that the things that I post are accurate.  out of context??? How was that out of context LOL. You are arguing that everything has a cause, aren't you? You said that because everything has a cause, mutations are not random but then you said that god (the first cause) has no cause so wouldn't that make mutations actually random? Since there is something without a cause? You seem to have forgotten the part about God not being a thing, or something. Since He is not part of this universe - He would be if He was something or a thing - laws of cause and effect don't necessarily apply to Him, or in the same way as they do things within the universe. Get the evolution jokers to change their theory. After all, with all the talk that they do, they should be able to find an evolution theory that has programming in it rather than random mutations. Poor, baby. You might make it to Heaven after all. Why? Because you are going down kicking and screaming. Jesus said that if we don't become like little children, we'll never make it into the Kingdom of Heaven.  What? As far as I understand it your argument is that because everything has a cause, nothing can't be random, isn't that your whole argument? If god is a random being then when he created everything he did so randomly since he has no cause and his actions are random, therefore evolution is not a hoax. Notice how you say, if something is this or that, then evolution is not a hoax. That's the whole point of evolution being a hoax. All evolution theory and ideas are based on "if." "If" doesn't make something true or factual. It never has and never will. "If" might suggest stuff to examine, but "if" doesn't make it true or factual. Evolution is a hoax. Astargath is a hoax. What? Your whole argument against evolution is that nothing can be random because everything has a cause. Isn't it? But when something doesn't have a cause (your god, as you said) then things are random since god himself is random because he has no cause. Your whole argument contradicts itself. All the points against evolution revolve around: - nothing in evolution has been proven; - everything that is evidence for evolution fits something else better; - there are things in existence that show that evolution is impossible; - if there is evidence that the impossibilities of evolution might be false, the suposed falseness shown is not nearly as strong as the fact that there is no proof or strong evidence for evolution. Evolution is a big fat hoax. There magnitudes of less evidence for evolution than there is for flat earth. The only realness that evolution has going for it is that people talk a lot like it is real. That's it. So now you are not claiming that everything has a cause anymore? Interesting. - nothing in evolution has been proven: Then it wouldn't be a scientific theory if nothing has been proven LOL. We have even observed evolution. - everything that is evidence for evolution fits something else better: Yeahh, No. You are talking about creation but I already showed you all the scientific errors in the bible. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors- there are things in existence that show that evolution is impossible: All of them debunked, like probability maths or irreducible complexity. - if there is evidence that the impossibilities of evolution might be false, the suposed falseness shown is not nearly as strong as the fact that there is no proof or strong evidence for evolution: I don't know what you mean to be honest. The evidence for evolution is huge even your fellow believers believe in evolution. If you didn't place your own meanings on the things that I said, you wouldn't be in this thread. Evolution is a hoax, and you know it. I see you are starting to give up by the lack of arguments. For further idiotic creationism questions: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html |
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^^^ continues to claim the P900 is lying. You once said there was a camera model that no one could fake photos from it. I showed you photos of the earth with that model and then you said: Oh well maybe I was wrong hehe, it doesn't prove the earth is round. That's all you do, you keep making stuff up so your delusion can still exist. Pretty sad actually, seek help. A camera is not a suitable device for what you are trying to do. All you are seeing there is unfocused stars with the warbling effect probably caused by atmospheric distortion (the same thing that makes stars twinkle to the naked eye). If you view a star through a properly focused telescope it will still appear as a point of light, just a bit brighter. Of course if people want to believe that stars are "not what we've been told" then I'm sure they'll use this video to bolster their delusions. Also in reality, travel is not banned to Antarctica and there are commercial cruise ships that travel there, and people travel by land across Antarctica surprisingly frequently. Then there is gravity which would make your flat earth collapse. 1. I already explained that I was unaware that the digital encryption signatures had been hacked on every camera on the market so fuck off. Also the pic you provided from NASA didn't contain a digital signature... 2. Atmospheric distortion, OK but it doesn't explain 100% what the image show i.e. they're inconsistent with images the chosen ones provide. 3. You're not allowed to wander around Antarctica by yourself, you need a chosen one to hold your hand if you go. 4. Gravity is a theory, a shitty one that's wrong. 1. You changed what you said in order to not look stupid 2. CGI 3. Yes you are 4. A scientific theory is not just a theory, it seems to me that all nutjobs use the ''it's only a theory'' argument as if it were a good one. Pd: It's not. 4. All scientific theories are only theories, because anybody could make multiple scientific theories to contradict any scientific theory. Facts don't contradict facts. This means that scientific theories are not facts, no matter how many facts are stated to support the scientific theory. Only connivers try to convince people that scientific theories are facts. |
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Should I do that for you, now? Will you be able to take it? Scientific topic, so, scientific proof, stated in the topic title. Machines that have makers - millions. Machines that don't have makers - unknown. Millions:0 Scientifically proven. Religion proven? - who knows? Layman proven? - who knows? Scientifically proven? - yes. '' Machines that have makers - millions. '' No, machines that have human makers - millions Machines that don't have human makers and have others - unknown "Machines that don't have human makers and have others - unknown" No. Machines that don't have human makers and have others - God or the angels How do you know? |
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You are arguing that mutations can't be random because everything has a cause but you yourself said that god doesn't have a cause therefore mutations are random because everything was created by something without a cause,
You take it out of context, because you know that the things that I post are accurate. out of context??? How was that out of context LOL. You are arguing that everything has a cause, aren't you? You said that because everything has a cause, mutations are not random but then you said that god (the first cause) has no cause so wouldn't that make mutations actually random? Since there is something without a cause? You seem to have forgotten the part about God not being a thing, or something. Since He is not part of this universe - He would be if He was something or a thing - laws of cause and effect don't necessarily apply to Him, or in the same way as they do things within the universe. Get the evolution jokers to change their theory. After all, with all the talk that they do, they should be able to find an evolution theory that has programming in it rather than random mutations. Poor, baby. You might make it to Heaven after all. Why? Because you are going down kicking and screaming. Jesus said that if we don't become like little children, we'll never make it into the Kingdom of Heaven. What? As far as I understand it your argument is that because everything has a cause, nothing can't be random, isn't that your whole argument? If god is a random being then when he created everything he did so randomly since he has no cause and his actions are random, therefore evolution is not a hoax. Notice how you say, if something is this or that, then evolution is not a hoax. That's the whole point of evolution being a hoax. All evolution theory and ideas are based on "if." "If" doesn't make something true or factual. It never has and never will. "If" might suggest stuff to examine, but "if" doesn't make it true or factual. Evolution is a hoax. Astargath is a hoax. What? Your whole argument against evolution is that nothing can be random because everything has a cause. Isn't it? But when something doesn't have a cause (your god, as you said) then things are random since god himself is random because he has no cause. Your whole argument contradicts itself. All the points against evolution revolve around: - nothing in evolution has been proven; - everything that is evidence for evolution fits something else better; - there are things in existence that show that evolution is impossible; - if there is evidence that the impossibilities of evolution might be false, the suposed falseness shown is not nearly as strong as the fact that there is no proof or strong evidence for evolution. Evolution is a big fat hoax. There magnitudes of less evidence for evolution than there is for flat earth. The only realness that evolution has going for it is that people talk a lot like it is real. That's it. So now you are not claiming that everything has a cause anymore? Interesting. - nothing in evolution has been proven: Then it wouldn't be a scientific theory if nothing has been proven LOL. We have even observed evolution. - everything that is evidence for evolution fits something else better: Yeahh, No. You are talking about creation but I already showed you all the scientific errors in the bible. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors- there are things in existence that show that evolution is impossible: All of them debunked, like probability maths or irreducible complexity. - if there is evidence that the impossibilities of evolution might be false, the suposed falseness shown is not nearly as strong as the fact that there is no proof or strong evidence for evolution: I don't know what you mean to be honest. The evidence for evolution is huge even your fellow believers believe in evolution. |
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^^^ continues to claim the P900 is lying. You once said there was a camera model that no one could fake photos from it. I showed you photos of the earth with that model and then you said: Oh well maybe I was wrong hehe, it doesn't prove the earth is round. That's all you do, you keep making stuff up so your delusion can still exist. Pretty sad actually, seek help. A camera is not a suitable device for what you are trying to do. All you are seeing there is unfocused stars with the warbling effect probably caused by atmospheric distortion (the same thing that makes stars twinkle to the naked eye). If you view a star through a properly focused telescope it will still appear as a point of light, just a bit brighter. Of course if people want to believe that stars are "not what we've been told" then I'm sure they'll use this video to bolster their delusions. Also in reality, travel is not banned to Antarctica and there are commercial cruise ships that travel there, and people travel by land across Antarctica surprisingly frequently. Then there is gravity which would make your flat earth collapse. 1. I already explained that I was unaware that the digital encryption signatures had been hacked on every camera on the market so fuck off. Also the pic you provided from NASA didn't contain a digital signature... 2. Atmospheric distortion, OK but it doesn't explain 100% what the image show i.e. they're inconsistent with images the chosen ones provide. 3. You're not allowed to wander around Antarctica by yourself, you need a chosen one to hold your hand if you go. 4. Gravity is a theory, a shitty one that's wrong. 1. You changed what you said in order to not look stupid 2. CGI 3. Yes you are 4. A scientific theory is not just a theory, it seems to me that all nutjobs use the ''it's only a theory'' argument as if it were a good one. Pd: It's not. |
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Should I do that for you, now? Will you be able to take it? Scientific topic, so, scientific proof, stated in the topic title. Machines that have makers - millions. Machines that don't have makers - unknown. Millions:0 Scientifically proven. Religion proven? - who knows? Layman proven? - who knows? Scientifically proven? - yes. '' Machines that have makers - millions. '' No, machines that have human makers - millions Machines that don't have human makers and have others - unknown |
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You are arguing that mutations can't be random because everything has a cause but you yourself said that god doesn't have a cause therefore mutations are random because everything was created by something without a cause,
You take it out of context, because you know that the things that I post are accurate. out of context??? How was that out of context LOL. You are arguing that everything has a cause, aren't you? You said that because everything has a cause, mutations are not random but then you said that god (the first cause) has no cause so wouldn't that make mutations actually random? Since there is something without a cause? You seem to have forgotten the part about God not being a thing, or something. Since He is not part of this universe - He would be if He was something or a thing - laws of cause and effect don't necessarily apply to Him, or in the same way as they do things within the universe. Get the evolution jokers to change their theory. After all, with all the talk that they do, they should be able to find an evolution theory that has programming in it rather than random mutations. Poor, baby. You might make it to Heaven after all. Why? Because you are going down kicking and screaming. Jesus said that if we don't become like little children, we'll never make it into the Kingdom of Heaven. What? As far as I understand it your argument is that because everything has a cause, nothing can't be random, isn't that your whole argument? If god is a random being then when he created everything he did so randomly since he has no cause and his actions are random, therefore evolution is not a hoax. Notice how you say, if something is this or that, then evolution is not a hoax. That's the whole point of evolution being a hoax. All evolution theory and ideas are based on "if." "If" doesn't make something true or factual. It never has and never will. "If" might suggest stuff to examine, but "if" doesn't make it true or factual. Evolution is a hoax. Astargath is a hoax. What? Your whole argument against evolution is that nothing can be random because everything has a cause. Isn't it? But when something doesn't have a cause (your god, as you said) then things are random since god himself is random because he has no cause. Your whole argument contradicts itself. |
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If all photos of earth are fake, what would constitute a genuine one?
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^^^ continues to claim the P900 is lying. You once said there was a camera model that no one could fake photos from it. I showed you photos of the earth with that model and then you said: Oh well maybe I was wrong hehe, it doesn't prove the earth is round. That's all you do, you keep making stuff up so your delusion can still exist. Pretty sad actually, seek help. A camera is not a suitable device for what you are trying to do. All you are seeing there is unfocused stars with the warbling effect probably caused by atmospheric distortion (the same thing that makes stars twinkle to the naked eye). If you view a star through a properly focused telescope it will still appear as a point of light, just a bit brighter. Of course if people want to believe that stars are "not what we've been told" then I'm sure they'll use this video to bolster their delusions. Also in reality, travel is not banned to Antarctica and there are commercial cruise ships that travel there, and people travel by land across Antarctica surprisingly frequently. Then there is gravity which would make your flat earth collapse. |
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^^^ The Nikon Coolpix P900 is a liar REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! What do you gain from trolling like this? How is posting real images of stars (planets are wandering stars) trolling?  Do you want me to buy you a telescope so you can look at the planets by yourself? |
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^^^ The Nikon Coolpix P900 is a liar REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! What do you gain from trolling like this? |
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You could go to the south pole and see for yourself that flat earth is a lie, because there is actually a continent down there.
Also, you could observe the other planets with a telescope, over time you would see that they are spheres. Why would our planet be the only flat one?
The globe is the lie, the Earth is a flat and motionless plane. Antarctica is a ring that surrounds the continents and keeps the ocean at bay. The Moon does not have an optical hotspot, if it were a sphere reflecting sunlight this would be visible. Since the Moon is provably not a sphere reflecting light I'm going to assume that its companion the Sun is also not a sphere. The images of stars and planets presented by the chosen are CGI images and have no relationship to actual stars and planets.  You can look at stars and planets through a telescope, how many brain cells do you have left? Jesus christ... |
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You are arguing that mutations can't be random because everything has a cause but you yourself said that god doesn't have a cause therefore mutations are random because everything was created by something without a cause,
You take it out of context, because you know that the things that I post are accurate. out of context??? How was that out of context LOL. You are arguing that everything has a cause, aren't you? You said that because everything has a cause, mutations are not random but then you said that god (the first cause) has no cause so wouldn't that make mutations actually random? Since there is something without a cause? You seem to have forgotten the part about God not being a thing, or something. Since He is not part of this universe - He would be if He was something or a thing - laws of cause and effect don't necessarily apply to Him, or in the same way as they do things within the universe. Get the evolution jokers to change their theory. After all, with all the talk that they do, they should be able to find an evolution theory that has programming in it rather than random mutations. Poor, baby. You might make it to Heaven after all. Why? Because you are going down kicking and screaming. Jesus said that if we don't become like little children, we'll never make it into the Kingdom of Heaven. What? As far as I understand it your argument is that because everything has a cause, nothing can't be random, isn't that your whole argument? If god is a random being then when he created everything he did so randomly since he has no cause and his actions are random, therefore evolution is not a hoax. |
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Do we have to mantain the signature till the end of the ICO or can someone participate for example, for 2 weeks and then leave, will he get paid?
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You are arguing that mutations can't be random because everything has a cause but you yourself said that god doesn't have a cause therefore mutations are random because everything was created by something without a cause,
You take it out of context, because you know that the things that I post are accurate. out of context??? How was that out of context LOL. You are arguing that everything has a cause, aren't you? You said that because everything has a cause, mutations are not random but then you said that god (the first cause) has no cause so wouldn't that make mutations actually random? Since there is something without a cause? |
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Anyone else find it odd that BADecker isn't falling for Batman's lies? After all, BADecker is very gullible. :/
It seems like a very weird phenomena because in the bible is stated that the earth is flat or at least implies it yet badecker doesn't believe it. If you live in the city, and you go outside, it's hard to find anything that looks flat with all those houses and buildings around. But if you go out to a non-mountainous countryside, the earth looks flat. In fact, it looks just like the FE descriptions in the Bible. The Bible is written for people. It often describes what they see. Some other descriptions of the earth in the Bible, suggest it is a globe. The Bible isn't there for determining the shape of the earth. It's there for more basic truths, like the existence of God. So you are saying the bible contradicts itself? |
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Anyone else find it odd that BADecker isn't falling for Batman's lies? After all, BADecker is very gullible. :/
It seems like a very weird phenomena because in the bible is stated that the earth is flat or at least implies it yet badecker doesn't believe it. |
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1) Everything has a cause. = Truth.
2) The Universe began to exist. = Truth.
3) Therefore, the Universe has a cause. = Truth. (except, maybe, the "therefore" part)
4) Conclusion: Therefore the cause behind the existence of the Universe was God = Truth. (except, maybe, the "therefore" part)
Can god create something from nothing? |
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Whatever caused the universe, caused everything. This means that everything has a cause. Random mutations in evolution are mutations without causes. If they had causes, they wouldn't be random. Because of cause, there is no randomness, even though we often think that there is, because our abilities are too weak to determine the cause. Evolution doesn't exist. Any good scientists understands the points of this post, yet many of them still promote evolution. Evolution is a hoax. And what happens to the cause of the cause of the universe? the cause has a cause or not, questions about it are way beyond the scope of evolution being a hoax or not. Can you show what this has to do with evolution, considering that evolution theory doesn't really go this deep? Evolution is a hoax. You are the one who said evolution is not true because everything has a cause, which you cannot prove, so if everything doesn't have a cause, by your own logic you should admit evolution is real, no? Since you believe everything has at least big bang as its cause, you are at odds with yourself when you attempt to believe evolution is real at the same time. Sounds like religion in the craziest form. Evolution is a hoax. The big bang is not a sentient being nor a programmer, so if you agree that the big bang created the universe, then evolution should be perfectly real. If BB is real, then evolution is not. They don't match each other's dynamics. There is literally no one that has ever argued that, no one but you. How does bb contradict evolution? What? No reply? How can that be? Unbelievable.
Okay. Okay. Just for you guys. Let's forget for a moment that there are at least 3 BB theories, none of which works with, or could fit into, a universe caused by any of the others. Let's make believe that BB is true and factual. In this scenario - BB is real - what is there that is not caused by the BB? The universe encompasses everything that exists, right? So, if BB caused the universe, then BB caused everything that exists, right? This means that everything has at least BB as its cause, if not some other thing that BB caused. BB is silly enough all by itself. It doesn't need somebody entering non-caused effects into it. Doing that would completely blow BB out of the theory waters, and sink it out of sight... bye-bye BB. So, since BB caused everything (in our imaginary scenario, here), how can there be random mutations? We call evolution mutations random, because the whole idea is that they don't have a cause. But that can't be. It flies in the face of BB having caused everything. If this is our thinking, then one of them is wrong... BB or evolution. But if we call evolution mutations random, knowing that they are not spontaneous, but rather because we don't understand the cause(s), then the whole of evolution theory has to be tweaked big time to change the wording of the random mutations to something programmed in by BB - or programmed by something that came before BB. This programming is shown by cause and effect acting according to the laws of physics. So, which of the two do you want? 1. BB and evolution are mutually exclusive, so let's throw both of them out, or; 2. Throw evolution out because in reality, it can't match its theory. A third possibility is to postulate a new BB theory, where BB has caused the universe to constantly spout spontaneous "stuff" so that something might produce real random mutations... just so that current evolution theory might fit. Any way we turn with this, the whole thing is so messed up that we might as well throw the whole thing out and start over. All of this shows two major things: 1. We don't really have a handle on what is going on in the universe, including evolution; 2. The idea of God is starting to look more attractive, even without the proof that He exists. What if nobody said this stuff before? Does it make sense or not? Are you going to hang onto being mixed up because you have religious loyalty? Because science doesn't have it. I just showed why? This is an evolution topic. If it were a BB and evolution topic, then we could say that both BB and evolution were hoaxes. But since it is only an evolution topic, all we can say is... Evolution is a hoax. Let me just start again for our friend badecker and his delusion. First of all there's no such thing as a law of cause and effect. There may indeed always be a cause for anything and everything that has or ever will come into existence, including whatever came into existence at the Big Bang event , but that cause isn't always evident. Some quantum physicists would in fact claim that there are uncaused things like radioactive decay, which I told you 20 times about. Our Universe could be one of many. There could be parallel universes or even a postulated Multiverse or Megaverse. The cause of the Big Bang event was something prior to the Big Bang event. If the Universe had a cause then that cause was obviously pre-Universe or before the Big Bang event. We can't observe or measure anything prior to the Big Bang event. It could be that our Universe popped into existence from within a larger Cosmos. If you argue that ''god'' created the universe and he doesn't need a cause then you are essentially proving my point, you are proving that there are things without a cause and if god has no cause then it means everything is random. And what if a large number of uncaused causes caused the universe? Let me start that simply because nobody wrote a law, doesn't mean that the law isn't in existence. Newton's 3rd Law upholds cause and effect. Because you and some quantum physicists make claims, doesn't mean those claims are fact... especially in the light that I have shown you how physicists cause radioactive decay when they create new radioactive isotopes or elements. Nobody knows for a fact that BB was caused. Since this thread is the evolution thread, rambling on with a bunch of guesses about BB, especially in the light that BB theory doesn't fit reality, doesn't really fit this thread. Evolution is a hoax, and you are helping to strengthen that understanding. So, thanks. You are arguing that mutations can't be random because everything has a cause but you yourself said that god doesn't have a cause therefore mutations are random because everything was created by something without a cause, |
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