Evolution is a hoax

[BADecker]

Whatever caused the universe, caused everything.

This means that everything has a cause.

Random mutations in evolution are mutations without causes. If they had causes, they wouldn't be random.

Because of cause, there is no randomness, even though we often think that there is, because our abilities are too weak to determine the cause.

Evolution doesn't exist.

Any good scientists understands the points of this post, yet many of them still promote evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

And what happens to the cause of the cause of the universe?

IF the cause has a cause or not, questions about it are way beyond the scope of evolution being a hoax or not. Can you show what this has to do with evolution, considering that evolution theory doesn't really go this deep?

Evolution is a hoax.

You are the one who said evolution is not true because everything has a cause, which you cannot prove, so if everything doesn't have a cause, by your own logic you should admit evolution is real, no?

Since you believe everything has at least big bang as its cause, you are at odds with yourself when you attempt to believe evolution is real at the same time. Sounds like religion in the craziest form.

Evolution is a hoax.

The big bang is not a sentient being nor a programmer, so if you agree that the big bang created the universe, then evolution should be perfectly real.

If BB is real, then evolution is not. They don't match each other's dynamics.

[salamyman]

Yes, yes, yes.

Evolution is a goat 

[Vod]

Just start blindly typing "Badecker is a hoax" with each post.

That makes it true, and then he will slowly fade away....

[Astargath]

Whatever caused the universe, caused everything.

This means that everything has a cause.

Random mutations in evolution are mutations without causes. If they had causes, they wouldn't be random.

Because of cause, there is no randomness, even though we often think that there is, because our abilities are too weak to determine the cause.

Evolution doesn't exist.

Any good scientists understands the points of this post, yet many of them still promote evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

And what happens to the cause of the cause of the universe?

IF the cause has a cause or not, questions about it are way beyond the scope of evolution being a hoax or not. Can you show what this has to do with evolution, considering that evolution theory doesn't really go this deep?

Evolution is a hoax.

You are the one who said evolution is not true because everything has a cause, which you cannot prove, so if everything doesn't have a cause, by your own logic you should admit evolution is real, no?

Since you believe everything has at least big bang as its cause, you are at odds with yourself when you attempt to believe evolution is real at the same time. Sounds like religion in the craziest form.

Evolution is a hoax.

The big bang is not a sentient being nor a programmer, so if you agree that the big bang created the universe, then evolution should be perfectly real.

If BB is real, then evolution is not. They don't match each other's dynamics.

There is literally no one that has ever argued that, no one but you. How does bb contradict evolution?

[salamyman]

What? No reply? How can that be? Unbelievable.

[Vod]

What? No reply? How can that be? Unbelievable.

Give him a bit.  He has cult related chores this time of year.

View Badecker as your loyal puppy.  He will blindly chase the ball over and over, thinking one day he eventually gets to keep it. 

[BADecker]

Whatever caused the universe, caused everything.

This means that everything has a cause.

Random mutations in evolution are mutations without causes. If they had causes, they wouldn't be random.

Because of cause, there is no randomness, even though we often think that there is, because our abilities are too weak to determine the cause.

Evolution doesn't exist.

Any good scientists understands the points of this post, yet many of them still promote evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

And what happens to the cause of the cause of the universe?

IF the cause has a cause or not, questions about it are way beyond the scope of evolution being a hoax or not. Can you show what this has to do with evolution, considering that evolution theory doesn't really go this deep?

Evolution is a hoax.

You are the one who said evolution is not true because everything has a cause, which you cannot prove, so if everything doesn't have a cause, by your own logic you should admit evolution is real, no?

Since you believe everything has at least big bang as its cause, you are at odds with yourself when you attempt to believe evolution is real at the same time. Sounds like religion in the craziest form.

Evolution is a hoax.

The big bang is not a sentient being nor a programmer, so if you agree that the big bang created the universe, then evolution should be perfectly real.

If BB is real, then evolution is not. They don't match each other's dynamics.

There is literally no one that has ever argued that, no one but you. How does bb contradict evolution?

What? No reply? How can that be? Unbelievable.

Okay. Okay. Just for you guys.

Let's forget for a moment that there are at least 3 BB theories, none of which works with, or could fit into, a universe caused by any of the others. Let's make believe that BB is true and factual.

In this scenario - BB is real - what is there that is not caused by the BB? The universe encompasses everything that exists, right? So, if BB caused the universe, then BB caused everything that exists, right? This means that everything has at least BB as its cause, if not some other thing that BB caused. BB is silly enough all by itself. It doesn't need somebody entering non-caused effects into it. Doing that would completely blow BB out of the theory waters, and sink it out of sight... bye-bye BB.

So, since BB caused everything (in our imaginary scenario, here), how can there be random mutations? We call evolution mutations random, because the whole idea is that they don't have a cause. But that can't be. It flies in the face of BB having caused everything. If this is our thinking, then one of them is wrong... BB or evolution.

But if we call evolution mutations random, knowing that they are not spontaneous, but rather because we don't understand the cause(s), then the whole of evolution theory has to be tweaked big time to change the wording of the random mutations to something programmed in by BB - or programmed by something that came before BB. This programming is shown by cause and effect acting according to the laws of physics.

So, which of the two do you want?
1. BB and evolution are mutually exclusive, so let's throw both of them out, or;
2. Throw evolution out because in reality, it can't match its theory.

A third possibility is to postulate a new BB theory, where BB has caused the universe to constantly spout spontaneous "stuff" so that something might produce real random mutations... just so that current evolution theory might fit.

Any way we turn with this, the whole thing is so messed up that we might as well throw the whole thing out and start over. All of this shows two major things:
1. We don't really have a handle on what is going on in the universe, including evolution;
2. The idea of God is starting to look more attractive, even without the proof that He exists.

What if nobody said this stuff before? Does it make sense or not? Are you going to hang onto being mixed up because you have religious loyalty? Because science doesn't have it. I just showed why?

This is an evolution topic. If it were a BB and evolution topic, then we could say that both BB and evolution were hoaxes. But since it is only an evolution topic, all we can say is...

Evolution is a hoax.

[Vod]

Evolution is a hoax.

Ok "genius", if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

Mic drop.

[BADecker]

Evolution is a hoax.

Ok "genius", if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

Mic drop.

I'm not a very good typist. I only do about 30 wpm, max. I watch the keyboard. I have it in my "ToDo" list to practice the right way. But I never seem to get around to it. But thanks for the "genius" complement.

[Astargath]

Whatever caused the universe, caused everything.

This means that everything has a cause.

Random mutations in evolution are mutations without causes. If they had causes, they wouldn't be random.

Because of cause, there is no randomness, even though we often think that there is, because our abilities are too weak to determine the cause.

Evolution doesn't exist.

Any good scientists understands the points of this post, yet many of them still promote evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

And what happens to the cause of the cause of the universe?

IF the cause has a cause or not, questions about it are way beyond the scope of evolution being a hoax or not. Can you show what this has to do with evolution, considering that evolution theory doesn't really go this deep?

Evolution is a hoax.

You are the one who said evolution is not true because everything has a cause, which you cannot prove, so if everything doesn't have a cause, by your own logic you should admit evolution is real, no?

Since you believe everything has at least big bang as its cause, you are at odds with yourself when you attempt to believe evolution is real at the same time. Sounds like religion in the craziest form.

Evolution is a hoax.

The big bang is not a sentient being nor a programmer, so if you agree that the big bang created the universe, then evolution should be perfectly real.

If BB is real, then evolution is not. They don't match each other's dynamics.

There is literally no one that has ever argued that, no one but you. How does bb contradict evolution?

What? No reply? How can that be? Unbelievable.

Okay. Okay. Just for you guys.

Let's forget for a moment that there are at least 3 BB theories, none of which works with, or could fit into, a universe caused by any of the others. Let's make believe that BB is true and factual.

In this scenario - BB is real - what is there that is not caused by the BB? The universe encompasses everything that exists, right? So, if BB caused the universe, then BB caused everything that exists, right? This means that everything has at least BB as its cause, if not some other thing that BB caused. BB is silly enough all by itself. It doesn't need somebody entering non-caused effects into it. Doing that would completely blow BB out of the theory waters, and sink it out of sight... bye-bye BB.

So, since BB caused everything (in our imaginary scenario, here), how can there be random mutations? We call evolution mutations random, because the whole idea is that they don't have a cause. But that can't be. It flies in the face of BB having caused everything. If this is our thinking, then one of them is wrong... BB or evolution.

But if we call evolution mutations random, knowing that they are not spontaneous, but rather because we don't understand the cause(s), then the whole of evolution theory has to be tweaked big time to change the wording of the random mutations to something programmed in by BB - or programmed by something that came before BB. This programming is shown by cause and effect acting according to the laws of physics.

So, which of the two do you want?
1. BB and evolution are mutually exclusive, so let's throw both of them out, or;
2. Throw evolution out because in reality, it can't match its theory.

A third possibility is to postulate a new BB theory, where BB has caused the universe to constantly spout spontaneous "stuff" so that something might produce real random mutations... just so that current evolution theory might fit.

Any way we turn with this, the whole thing is so messed up that we might as well throw the whole thing out and start over. All of this shows two major things:
1. We don't really have a handle on what is going on in the universe, including evolution;
2. The idea of God is starting to look more attractive, even without the proof that He exists.

What if nobody said this stuff before? Does it make sense or not? Are you going to hang onto being mixed up because you have religious loyalty? Because science doesn't have it. I just showed why?

This is an evolution topic. If it were a BB and evolution topic, then we could say that both BB and evolution were hoaxes. But since it is only an evolution topic, all we can say is...

Evolution is a hoax.

Let me just start again for our friend badecker and his delusion. First of all there's no such thing as a law of cause and effect. There may indeed always be a cause for anything and everything that has or ever will come into existence, including whatever came into existence at the Big Bang event , but that cause isn't always evident. Some quantum physicists would in fact claim that there are uncaused things like radioactive decay, which I told you 20 times about. Our Universe could be one of many. There could be parallel universes or even a postulated Multiverse or Megaverse.

The cause of the Big Bang event was something prior to the Big Bang event. If the Universe had a cause then that cause was obviously pre-Universe or before the Big Bang event. We can't observe or measure anything prior to the Big Bang event. It could be that our Universe popped into existence from within a larger Cosmos. If you argue that ''god'' created the universe and he doesn't need a cause then you are essentially proving my point, you are proving that there are things without a cause and if god has no cause then it means everything is random.

And what if a large number of uncaused causes caused the universe?

[Vod]

Evolution is a hoax.

Ok "genius", if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

Mic drop.

I'm not a very good typist. I only do about 30 wpm, max. I watch the keyboard. I have it in my "ToDo" list to practice the right way. But I never seem to get around to it. But thanks for the "genius" complement.

"genius" means you are not very bright - as I just showed. 

So, if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

[BADecker]

Evolution is a hoax.

Ok "genius", if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

Mic drop.

I'm not a very good typist. I only do about 30 wpm, max. I watch the keyboard. I have it in my "ToDo" list to practice the right way. But I never seem to get around to it. But thanks for the "genius" complement.

"genius" means you are not very bright - as I just showed. 

So, if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

I already told you about the typing. And thanks a lot, Bud, for trying to tear down my self esteem after building it up.

[Vod]

Evolution is a hoax.

Ok "genius", if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

Mic drop.

I'm not a very good typist. I only do about 30 wpm, max. I watch the keyboard. I have it in my "ToDo" list to practice the right way. But I never seem to get around to it. But thanks for the "genius" complement.

"genius" means you are not very bright - as I just showed. 

So, if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

I already told you about the typing. And thanks a lot, Bud, for trying to tear down my self esteem after building it up.

Let me phrase then for the "genius":  if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how do you exist?

[BADecker]

Whatever caused the universe, caused everything.

This means that everything has a cause.

Random mutations in evolution are mutations without causes. If they had causes, they wouldn't be random.

Because of cause, there is no randomness, even though we often think that there is, because our abilities are too weak to determine the cause.

Evolution doesn't exist.

Any good scientists understands the points of this post, yet many of them still promote evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

And what happens to the cause of the cause of the universe?

IF the cause has a cause or not, questions about it are way beyond the scope of evolution being a hoax or not. Can you show what this has to do with evolution, considering that evolution theory doesn't really go this deep?

Evolution is a hoax.

You are the one who said evolution is not true because everything has a cause, which you cannot prove, so if everything doesn't have a cause, by your own logic you should admit evolution is real, no?

Since you believe everything has at least big bang as its cause, you are at odds with yourself when you attempt to believe evolution is real at the same time. Sounds like religion in the craziest form.

Evolution is a hoax.

The big bang is not a sentient being nor a programmer, so if you agree that the big bang created the universe, then evolution should be perfectly real.

If BB is real, then evolution is not. They don't match each other's dynamics.

There is literally no one that has ever argued that, no one but you. How does bb contradict evolution?

What? No reply? How can that be? Unbelievable.

Okay. Okay. Just for you guys.

Let's forget for a moment that there are at least 3 BB theories, none of which works with, or could fit into, a universe caused by any of the others. Let's make believe that BB is true and factual.

In this scenario - BB is real - what is there that is not caused by the BB? The universe encompasses everything that exists, right? So, if BB caused the universe, then BB caused everything that exists, right? This means that everything has at least BB as its cause, if not some other thing that BB caused. BB is silly enough all by itself. It doesn't need somebody entering non-caused effects into it. Doing that would completely blow BB out of the theory waters, and sink it out of sight... bye-bye BB.

So, since BB caused everything (in our imaginary scenario, here), how can there be random mutations? We call evolution mutations random, because the whole idea is that they don't have a cause. But that can't be. It flies in the face of BB having caused everything. If this is our thinking, then one of them is wrong... BB or evolution.

But if we call evolution mutations random, knowing that they are not spontaneous, but rather because we don't understand the cause(s), then the whole of evolution theory has to be tweaked big time to change the wording of the random mutations to something programmed in by BB - or programmed by something that came before BB. This programming is shown by cause and effect acting according to the laws of physics.

So, which of the two do you want?
1. BB and evolution are mutually exclusive, so let's throw both of them out, or;
2. Throw evolution out because in reality, it can't match its theory.

A third possibility is to postulate a new BB theory, where BB has caused the universe to constantly spout spontaneous "stuff" so that something might produce real random mutations... just so that current evolution theory might fit.

Any way we turn with this, the whole thing is so messed up that we might as well throw the whole thing out and start over. All of this shows two major things:
1. We don't really have a handle on what is going on in the universe, including evolution;
2. The idea of God is starting to look more attractive, even without the proof that He exists.

What if nobody said this stuff before? Does it make sense or not? Are you going to hang onto being mixed up because you have religious loyalty? Because science doesn't have it. I just showed why?

This is an evolution topic. If it were a BB and evolution topic, then we could say that both BB and evolution were hoaxes. But since it is only an evolution topic, all we can say is...

Evolution is a hoax.

Let me just start again for our friend badecker and his delusion. First of all there's no such thing as a law of cause and effect. There may indeed always be a cause for anything and everything that has or ever will come into existence, including whatever came into existence at the Big Bang event , but that cause isn't always evident. Some quantum physicists would in fact claim that there are uncaused things like radioactive decay, which I told you 20 times about. Our Universe could be one of many. There could be parallel universes or even a postulated Multiverse or Megaverse.

The cause of the Big Bang event was something prior to the Big Bang event. If the Universe had a cause then that cause was obviously pre-Universe or before the Big Bang event. We can't observe or measure anything prior to the Big Bang event. It could be that our Universe popped into existence from within a larger Cosmos. If you argue that ''god'' created the universe and he doesn't need a cause then you are essentially proving my point, you are proving that there are things without a cause and if god has no cause then it means everything is random.

And what if a large number of uncaused causes caused the universe?

Let me start that simply because nobody wrote a law, doesn't mean that the law isn't in existence. Newton's 3rd Law upholds cause and effect.

Because you and some quantum physicists make claims, doesn't mean those claims are fact... especially in the light that I have shown you how physicists cause radioactive decay when they create new radioactive isotopes or elements.

Nobody knows for a fact that BB was caused. Since this thread is the evolution thread, rambling on with a bunch of guesses about BB, especially in the light that BB theory doesn't fit reality, doesn't really fit this thread.

Evolution is a hoax, and you are helping to strengthen that understanding. So, thanks.

[Vod]

Evolution is a hoax, and you are helping to strengthen that understanding. So, thanks.

You keep posting that, but you can't offer an alternative to evolution.  :/

[BADecker]

Evolution is a hoax.

Ok "genius", if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

Mic drop.

I'm not a very good typist. I only do about 30 wpm, max. I watch the keyboard. I have it in my "ToDo" list to practice the right way. But I never seem to get around to it. But thanks for the "genius" complement.

"genius" means you are not very bright - as I just showed. 

So, if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how are you typing at the keyboard?

I already told you about the typing. And thanks a lot, Bud, for trying to tear down my self esteem after building it up.

Let me phrase then for the "genius":  if evolution is a hoax and your god is a hoax, how do you exist?

If evolution is a hoax and BB is a hoax, how do you exist? Or can't you even follow how I showed that they are hoaxes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27070518#msg27070518

[Vod]

If evolution is a hoax

Yes.  Let's say you are right and everyone else is wrong.  If evolution is a hoax, and your god is a hoax, how do you exist?

You can't - you evolved.

:/

[BADecker]

If evolution is a hoax

Yes.  Let's say you are right and everyone else is wrong.  If evolution is a hoax, and your god is a hoax, how do you exist?

You can't - you evolved.

:/

But since I have proven that God exists, and that BB and evolution are hoaxes, you are a creature of God's making.

[_Maksanter_1]

Yes, they rigged the evolution to make us think that there is no god, they just hate god and want all of us to go in hell, read the Bible!

[Vod]

But since I have proven that God exists

And we debunked that.  So how did you evolve without evolution?