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3261  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Zhou Tong, You better pay me now... on: July 28, 2012, 07:45:47 PM
See, that's what I was talking about.

Someone steals thousands of Bitcoins, you guys open a thread to discuss about the issue and you guys just talk about Maria, about boobs and irrelevant stuff.

I mean it's okay to make fun but not when there's a debt and a theft that should be cleared.

There are multiple threads in which the Bitcoinica theft is being discussed seriously.  Maria doesn't have 17,000 BTC tied up in Bitcoinica.  She refused to make a claim for a refund.  She's the one who opened this thread to sprout off with her attention-whoring, scamming bullshit.  She absolutely deserves to be mocked for that.
3262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 28, 2012, 12:28:09 PM
Does death punishment apply to minors in China?

Why on earth would China have jurisdiction?

Zhou Tong is currently in Australia so the first port of call would be the Australian federal police if anything.

It would be Victoria Police.  The AFP only handles specific, designated Commonwealth crimes.  Victoria Police would investigate as far as they were able and then investigations would be handed off to international law enforcement agencies either through the memorandums of understanding we have with some nations or through Interpol in Canberra.

Although the AuxumXchange transactions were money laundering, if they didn't touch the Australian financial system in some way then it's unlikely that AUSTRAC's financial intelligence unit would be involved in any investigation.
3263  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bit-Coincidences: A Fiasco Playset on: July 28, 2012, 12:14:55 PM
We need to add a mysterious Chinese relic collector to the character set.
3264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 28, 2012, 12:03:38 PM
Does death punishment apply to minors in China?

Why on earth would China have jurisdiction?
3265  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: getting money back from tradehill on: July 28, 2012, 08:14:24 AM
If you guys didn't get your shit out when they where going under you are just a little late to the boat.

The last time I heard they where taking all unredeamed equities and putting them twords some merchant solution project they where working on.

well, I know you owe me hundreds of dollars
but you didn't ask for them back for like
the last 2 months so they're mine

^
|
this is your logic

Last 2 months?

Do you realize how long it's been since Tradehill shut down operations?

Do you think that just because (irresponsible) people were using them as a bank and not checking on their accounts for a year at a time, that they're required to provide banking services (which were never part of their business plan) until the end of time?

Seriously?
a year at a time? it shut down this year

I do agree that given the short lifespan of so many Bitcoin enterprises people need to actively monitor the state of the services with which they place funds.  There's a non-trivial risk that if you don't keep your finger on the pulse of the Bitcoin world for a few months, you'll miss out on important information concerning the services with which you do business.
3266  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Zhou Tong, You better pay me now... on: July 28, 2012, 08:07:05 AM
So Maria, you gonna waste another 200k trying to get your 200k paid back from Zhou?

I love your plan!

 Cheesy

But she's a millionaire, doncha know.  She doesn't care about the money, it's all about the principle.   Roll Eyes
3267  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 28, 2012, 07:37:13 AM
The alleged promise of mysterious relic collector to return funds is meaningless as long as Zhou maintains that there is no way for them to be accepted.  All that is required is for them so be sent to an an accountant or lawyer's trust fund - and Chris Heaslip is an accountant as well as a nominal director of Bitcoinica.  That puts Zhou at arm's length from receiving them and puts them in safe-keeping until such time as what the fuck is happening with the return of user funds is sorted out.

At this point I honestly expect to hear that mysterious relic collector has changed his mind about returning the funds, leaving Bitcoinica and its users in limbo once again.
3268  Other / Off-topic / Re: How should we deal with this Zhoutong/Bitcoinica situation? on: July 28, 2012, 06:01:39 AM
Funny, a few months ago everyone on this forum was sucking Zhoutong’s ass like it was made of ice cream and now he’s the Antichrist.

This happens with pretty much every new service.  It's hailed as the best thing since sliced bread and within months the discontent sets in and it's being labelled a scam.  Same thing happens with new payment methods.  This community has little capacity to learn from past experience, it seems.

Amen Brother! Sister!


 Grin
3269  Other / Off-topic / Re: How should we deal with this Zhoutong/Bitcoinica situation? on: July 28, 2012, 04:56:16 AM
Funny, a few months ago everyone on this forum was sucking Zhoutong’s ass like it was made of ice cream and now he’s the Antichrist.

This happens with pretty much every new service.  It's hailed as the best thing since sliced bread and within months the discontent sets in and it's being labelled a scam.  Same thing happens with new payment methods.  This community has little capacity to learn from past experience, it seems.
3270  Other / Off-topic / Re: How should we deal with this Zhoutong/Bitcoinica situation? on: July 28, 2012, 03:45:06 AM

If I were running bitcoinica, I'd blame some kid too. I was rather taken aback at their deliberate attempt to make people believe that they know the one person who did it, rather than simply stating the evidence and demanding an explanation. Or better yet, to talk to the kid in private first and then go public with the findings. It's not just highly unprofessional to do it the way they did...it casts strong doubts on their motives. I don't think many people are paying attention to the deliberate attempt to sway opinion without argument.

It wasn't Bitcoinica who released the information related to the alleged transactions by Zhou.  Mark said he tried to contact them regarding the information and they didn't respond.  Tihan says that when the information was brought to his attention, he told AurumXchange and MtGox to ask Zhou about the matter privately and that he doesn't believe Zhou is responsible.  Amir has asked people not to jump to conclusions based on the AurumXchange statement. There are a shit ton of reasons to criticise Bitcoinica, but they aren't the ones who came out accusing Zhou of the MtGox breach.
3271  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 28, 2012, 03:11:17 AM


It's highly common for eastern Eurpoean organized crime to employ, or use the pictures of, models to perpetrate scams against single men.

Why would anyone think that a scam run to bilk traders out of their money would operate much differently.

Please understand, I haven't said that ZT isn't real - just that I'm starting to have serious doubts that he can be.

But - wait.....we have pics!!! And no one has ever used a pic to suggest something be true when in fact it is not. Never. And no one ever got a fake credit or debit card.

It truly shocks me how people can simply accept whatever bullshit they read on the internet as truth. You'd think they'd learn.

Zhou had an internet presence prior to Bitcoinica.  According to Zhou, the hand-off of Bitcoinica to Tihan took place in person.  As Tihan would obviously have noticed if the person who turned up to hand Bitcoinica off didn't look like "Zhou", I'm willing to presume that they did.  So "Zhou" exists.  The question you're really raising is whether he's actually the person who created Bitcoinica or he was just a frontman.  I guess that's a question you could put to those who've Skyped with him - it's harder to maintain a bluff in real time than it is when you can carefully prepare written responses.

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Before reading any further, I believe I may have to back-pedal and retract my statement thanks to being enlightened by both of you.

It's cool.  It's sometimes easy to forget that things which seem suspicious or unlikely to us can be normal and commonplace in other cultures.  Every now and then I read about something happening in the US and I'm convinced that I'm being fed bullshit when I'm not.
3272  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Liberty Reserve Trading with Maria [NO TROLLS ALLOWED] on: July 28, 2012, 02:29:38 AM
Send me a join.me link so I can check if the set up is all right. The wrong set up will bring your balance to 0.00 in just a few minutes.


Bwahahahahaha.
Join.me now supports single-window sharing in a sandbox, and you can disable remote control instantly with a keystroke. Why worry? Grin

I guess that if you've already installed a file from Maria, you might as well go the whole hog and give her remote access.
3273  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: getting money back from tradehill on: July 28, 2012, 02:20:41 AM
Coinabul posted this on reddit earlier today.

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I just talked to Jered, CEO of Tradehill. He's been taking a break from cashouts, he's been flooded with fraudulent claims. Send me a message with your friend's personal info and I'll forward it on.

Perhaps contacting Coinabul would be the best way of getting in touch with Jered.
3274  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Liberty Reserve Trading with Maria [NO TROLLS ALLOWED] on: July 28, 2012, 02:09:14 AM
Send me a join.me link so I can check if the set up is all right. The wrong set up will bring your balance to 0.00 in just a few minutes.


Bwahahahahaha.
3275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 27, 2012, 11:34:47 PM

I thought 200k was chump change to you and you were going to chalk it up to Karma. Something about your "husband" losing $300k on the Manny fight and how your twat shoots hundreds so you're above petty squabbling for money.

What changed?

She skipped her meds again.
3276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 27, 2012, 09:54:49 PM

I'm simply amazed on how a 17-year-old is able to globe-trot and jet-setting to: China; Singapore; Australia; (?).


It's honestly not all that unusual to find young Asian people from middle class families pursuing education or other opportunities outside their home country.  I wouldn't call pursuing those opportunities within the Asia-Pacific region "globe-trotting", any more than I'd regard someone from the UK or Germany who pursued their education in a number of European countries as "globe-trotting".

Hell, my daughter in law comes from a typical upper middle class Aussie family and she and her siblings each spent a year studying overseas as teenagers (she spent a year studying in Germany).
3277  Other / Off-topic / Re: How should we deal with this Zhoutong/Bitcoinica situation? on: July 27, 2012, 09:15:43 PM
So we just let a 17 year old kid steal $500,000 from us and do nothing

Kids don't bear responsibility for their deeds.

That's not true under most Western legal systems.  Possible punishments would vary dramatically by jurisdiction, though.
3278  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Zhou Tong, You better pay me now... on: July 27, 2012, 10:22:02 AM
I really am astonished how you guys can post memes and jokes in the same threads about people that have robbed thousands of bitcoins.

If you guys really want to solve the problems, at least do it formally and seriously.

Maria's a delusional troll.  This should have been moved to Off-topic, where her rants usually end up.  You might want to check her post history before taking anything she posts at face value.
3279  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 27, 2012, 02:20:31 AM
not at all like the Illuminati

More like the Chinese version of the stutnext virus.  Send by a nation state to secretly destroy this powerful new monetary invention bitcoin

I wish I could buy shares in tinfoil hats and pitchforks.
3280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 27, 2012, 01:56:33 AM
Maybe the Chinese government is behind all this.

+++++1  Zhou is the code name of an agent acting on behalf of the Chinese government.  Phinn could you do some research on that.

It's the Illuminati.  It's always the Illuminati. 
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