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3261  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 30, 2013, 10:26:24 PM
Looks like Jeff received his package...
Should I hold my breath waiting for those crying scam to apologise? Wink
They don't need to apologize.

I never cried "scam" and I always maintained that Avalon, at least, actually did ship. Even so, I side with the sceptical here. They did nothing wrong. They pointed out, however shallow the logic, that there was a chance that Avalon was a scam. This is more information to everyone. This helps avoid groupthink.

The doubters need not apologize. In fact, I would like to thank them. It helps prove to the real scammers how difficult it would be to scam the community, such that even legitimate products are labelled scams. It ensures a better, safer community in Bitcoin's future.

No. Most critics did not say there is a "chance". They said with absolute certainty "it is a scam". Cedivad included: check his thread title.

These uninformed and misguided critics have been the root cause of most of the trolling and fights on this forum.

Look at my first point. For the info we had 2 hours ago, it was a certain scam. Now everything changed.
3262  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 30, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
Looks like Jeff received his package...
Should I hold my breath waiting for those crying scam to apologise? Wink
I apologize.

However my dubs where more than founded. I'm happy that this is an event that was described in my first post, Jeff receiving the unit at least 6 hours before the preorder starts.

I'm really happy of it.
3263  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships on: January 30, 2013, 08:25:46 PM
his wife is trollin
This is better than a comedy.
3264  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships on: January 30, 2013, 07:42:35 PM
I love you guys.
3265  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 30, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
And now the next question will be, why in earth they plan to convert to usd if they want to run with the money? The answer is that they will not IMO run with the money, they simply had production problem they hope to fix with this money.
3266  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Tornati sopra i 15$ on: January 30, 2013, 06:33:12 PM
Resistenza dei 20 + rottura triangolo rialzista.

Vedrai, sarà già domani!

L'unica cosa che poterebbe rompere le uova nel paniere è Avalon, vedremo.
3267  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 30, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
It should be clear to everyone by now that producing an ASIC miner is significantly more difficult than producing FPGAs. Therefore evidence of successful FPGA products is not firm evidence that vendor xyz is capable of producing an ASIC mining device.

Yes, it was the way i was gonna reply.

I also have no idea ho how they plan to convert 50kBTC to $ in a few hours without touching the market.

But hell, tomorrow is gonna be a hell of a day for the market.
3268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 30, 2013, 06:14:26 PM
30$ within 2 weeks.

Than crash.
3269  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Tornati sopra i 15$ on: January 30, 2013, 06:11:34 PM


Seriamente, questo non è un mercato, questo è un modo facile per fare soldi, nient'altro. Non può succedere altro che una gigantesca candela verde.

Siete pronti ragazzi? Non ho sentito bene! Oooooooooo
3270  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 30, 2013, 05:34:44 PM
I may be jaded, but I'm pretty sure sockpuppets exist. I saw one riding a unicorn just a bit ago. Tongue
+1

They are also too easy by far to detect. The result is confirming that I don't want to have nothing to so with avalon anymore.
3271  Economy / Gambling / Re: This is the magnificent bitcoin gem on: January 30, 2013, 05:26:58 PM
It's a gem, it cannot disappear with a 7% chance every time.
What's the difference between this and satoshidice?

However thank you for what you did.
3272  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 30, 2013, 12:42:48 PM


Best triangle ever.

With this post I want to add this thread to my list of "wathched" I have decided that the ASIC mining business is uber cool as well as it is uber fake. I will speculate.

So, my view:

What I hope: bitcoin down to 10$ so that I can buy a lot
What I preview: bitcoin to 25$ in a month

One thing that I understood is that you always have to distinguish between what you want and what you see.
Isn't it now the time to break that triangle?
Be warned for false breaks. It happens everytime.
3273  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has Avalon promised not mining themselves after the Batch#2 ? on: January 30, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
I will simply not buy from the second batch and let the free maket do its job.

BFL is exiting gloriously from this mess.
3274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 30, 2013, 10:01:44 AM


Best triangle ever.

With this post I want to add this thread to my list of "wathched" I have decided that the ASIC mining business is uber cool as well as it is uber fake. I will speculate.

So, my view:

What I hope: bitcoin down to 10$ so that I can buy a lot
What I preview: bitcoin to 25$ in a month

One thing that I understood is that you always have to distinguish between what you want and what you see.
3275  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships on: January 30, 2013, 08:53:53 AM


almost 70GH/s
Well again, as I said before, Xiangfu wrote the driver for cgminer.
When he was asking me about it, 2.10.4 was already available.

That output looks legit.

Weird that the date is indeed 24-Jan i.e. more than 6 days ago.

1359050115 = 24-Jan-2012 17:55:15 UTC

China timezone would be 2am or 3am (not 100% sure which - anyone can look it up)

Yes runtime is 503 seconds.

Hardware Errors = 7 means it's not perfect or it's got some form of overclocking that is already pushing the limit of the device ... or a minor bug somewhere in the driver/cgminer combo Smiley

They ran the test with GetWork and 1 difficulty shares - bad idea with ASIC Tongue Use Stratum and something like 8+ difficulty ...
(I use 8 difficulty on my 2.4GH/s Tongue)

29 Rejects means there must have been a block change (LP) ... and Network Blocks = 2 says yes there was 1 block change.

So 29 Rejects on a single LP sounds reasonable for ~60GH/s on GetWork

The numbers Elapsed, Total MH, MHS av, Difficulty Accepted, Accepted, Utility, Work Utility all calculate out to the right arena.

And lastly - yes that output matches: "java API summary"

2012 ? We are in 2013.


TIME STAMP: 1359050115

DATE (M/D/Y @ h:m:s): 01 / 24 / 13 @ 11:55:15am EST
3276  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has Avalon promised not mining themselves after the Batch#2 ? on: January 30, 2013, 08:17:40 AM
We all know that USD 1 million can make lots lots lots of hashing power far more than 600 units if they don't have to tape out this time.

A short question, and expecting short answering. Thanks.
I don't rember them promising this specifically.
3277  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Avalon ASIC] Batch #2 pre-Sale Thread on: January 29, 2013, 09:23:56 PM
3278  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 29, 2013, 09:18:03 PM
In china they don't sue you.
They simply send someone to visit you. They are more practical.
3279  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. on: January 29, 2013, 05:16:59 PM
Why can't we wait a week to see if anyone receives an ASIC before making these types of threads?
Because on thursday they will get 700 * 1500$ worth of preorders.
3280  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Avalon ASIC] Batch #2 pre-Sale Thread on: January 29, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
Excuse me for posting Chinese here, but I think it is really important to record it here ASAP and then later translate it by me or other volunteers. This post was posted by an ID of ngzhang0 on the bbs.btcman.com, a Chinese bitcoin forum.

Basically, this post are offering for 100 unit pre-ordering through bank wiring in China before Jan 31, 2 days before the foreign customers. Each order should be at least 5 units but no more than 30 units.

The so called ngzhang0 said:

1) the 60Ghash/s and 6.6-6.7w/GHs spes have been tested.
2) this batch will be shipped during from 20130306 to 20130405
3) the terms:
    No refund(the argument for this clause is not plausible absolutely, so I don't waste my time translate it)
    No guarantee, accept the risks, such as no 3rd party test, it could be a scam, cannot ship on time and bitcoin die.
    No customer service.
    The address cannot be changed after you submit the order.

It is late night in China, so happy discussion everyone. I am going to bed.


[Avalon官方公告] Avalon ASIC 第二批中国区预售提前开始 [复制链接]
ngzhang0

恩,各位好

目前我们遇到了一个问题,我们需要资金来购买下一批Avalon所需的零部件。如果不在年前将所需的零部件定下的话,我们可能会无法达成3月初即开始发货第二批的任务。因此在1.31日EST时间9:00,官方网站会开始预订第二批矿机以筹集资金。

第二批的机器与第一批的性能指标一样,经过实际测试,Avalon已经完全达到了设计的性能指标,如下:

bitcoin mining速度: 大于60Ghash/s
芯片功耗:6.6~6.7W 每GH/s

本批共600台,预计发货日期为3月6日开始,至4月5日结束,发货顺序基于付款顺序。每台售价为1500美元,包括运费,多买也没有折扣。

对于中国区而言,短时间内筹集大量的BTC有一定困难,所以经过团队内部讨论,在国内提前2天进行预售。此次预售共100台左右(也计入600台内),每个订单最低为5台,最多为30台。价格为每台9300人民币,包括运费,多买也没有折扣。付款方式为银行转帐。

在预订之前,请务必阅读并认可以下条款:

1,在任何情况下均不退款。这是因为,我们会用预付款去购买零部件,因此无法退款。
2,没有保障。这包括但不限于:现在没有第三方评测所带来的风险,我们是骗子的风险,由于客观和主管原因无法按时发货的风险,bitcoin本身出现严重问题无法继续存在等。
3,没有销售客服。由于人力有限,如果您不能理解本公告的全部内容,即请不要购买。同时,QQ和旺旺等均不作预订咨询,所有询问都不会得到回复。
4,收货地址一经确定即不能更改。

请您在仔细阅读本篇公告后,仔细考虑,再做出决定。

预订流程:
请将您的订单,按照以下格式填写后,发至官方邮箱: ngzhang@avalon-asic.com  
注意:任何格式不符的邮件,均会被直接丢弃不会处理。除预订外的其他邮件也不会得到回复。

----------------------------------------------分隔线-----------------------------------------------------

预订人姓名:
预订人联系电话:
预订数量:
收货地址:
收货联系人:
收货人联系电话:

----------------------------------------------分隔线-----------------------------------------------------

符合要求的订货邮件会在12小时内得到回复,您会得到预订单号,所需付款金额和一个银行帐号。
您需要在1.31日24点之前将所需款项足额汇至指定账号中,否则订单就被取消。
如果已经达到所需的预订数量,也有可能提前终止预订。

对于之后的订单:
对于30台以内的订单,请在全球预订开启后,直接在官方网站预订,只接受比特币,每人最多购买5台。
对于30台以上的订单,依然接受银行转帐。具体预订方法另行通知。

以上。

Did they told you (chinese customers) the reason of the delay in shipping? It cannot be customs there.
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