[Avalon ASIC] Batch #2 pre-Sale Thread

[tigereye]

• Bitcoin Only
  
  • No Refunds
    
    • No Proof
      

Wow... No Way ..

It is completely reasonable.

Bitcoin Only - It is easier to accept BTC, and they need to move money fast to pay suppliers

No Refunds - This protects Avalon against people freerolling them as a hedge against BFL.  If Avalon allowed refunds, and BFL shipped both on-time and within-spec, then nearly every rational buyer would ask for a refund, due to the 65nm vs 110nm efficiency gap.

No Proof - They are just being honest here.  No amount of pictures / video will satisfy the doubters (but seriously Avalon, how about a video of a unit hashing...) and they are trying hard to expedite the delivery of the first unit to Jeff.

Oh, of course. And these suppliers take Bitcoin, eh? Think about that for a minute.

I thought about this some more and it does sound odd.  Perhaps selling BTC in china is faster than receiving international wires?  Regardless of speed, Bitcoin is certainly easier to set up automated orders for.

So...
Bitcoin, our favourite fledgeling currency that we all wish to be accepted by everyone, is the medium of exchange demanded by this merchant.

They say they need Bitcoin in order to move funds around quickly to their vendors, implying there are companies or people who are willing to accept Bitcoin in exchange for goods and services.

Why is that a bad thing? Isn't that precisely what we have all wanted?

I'm still willing to give Avalon the benefit of the doubt. When my 1st-batch Avalons arrive I'll happily share photos and details with everyone, although I imagine by that time we'll all know the details thanks to Jeff and/or the Foundation.[/list][/list]

[creativex]

When my 1st-batch Avalons arrive I'll happily share photos and details with everyone, although I imagine by that time we'll all know the details thanks to Jeff and/or the Foundation.[/list][/list]

You got any tracking information for that? Can anybody prove that Avalon has shipped anything at all?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

So, we have a problem. Avalon need the money before this weekend starts to place orders for the parts. For those unbelievers, let's hope Jeff receives his unit before batch #2 starts selling on EST 9:00 AM, January 31st, 2013.

The spec is 6.6 ~ 6.7w per Gh/s. Speed is greater than 60Gh/s, batch size is 600, each unit is $1,500, payment gateway is provided by WalletBit, units will ship starting March 6th to April 5th, 2013.

Keep an eye on http://launch.avalon-asics.com as new information will be released on it every day until review happens.

The following is the no bullshit, no fine print terms of sales for Avalon batch #2.

Bitcoin Only - Batch #2 of Avalon will only accept bitcoins. Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to.

I'm sorry! I quit reading prior to the yellow text and was ready to comment. Then stopped myself, thinking it best to read further. I seriously quit reading at the point quoted above.

I'm speechless. Utterly, speechless!

I'm going to take a piss, then get a fresh cup of coffee. Then I'm going to finish reading the rest of this thread before commenting further. Hopefully, I'll be able to contain myself.

Madness!

[PuertoLibre]

Well, by their previous statements, they expect the first couple of customers to receive their units this week, so it's going to be a couple of exiting days.

I bet everyone is going to flood the site and occupy phantom Batch 2 orders.

Thus waiting for the reviews to come out.

[wndrbr3d]

WOW!

You've gotta hand it to them, they've got some big balls that's for sure.

[HorseRider]

Excuse me for posting Chinese here, but I think it is really important to record it here ASAP and then later translate it by me or other volunteers. This post was posted by an ID of ngzhang0 on the bbs.btcman.com, a Chinese bitcoin forum.

Basically, this post are offering for 100 unit pre-ordering through bank wiring in China before Jan 31, 2 days before the foreign customers. Each order should be at least 5 units but no more than 30 units.

The so called ngzhang0 said:

1) the 60Ghash/s and 6.6-6.7w/GHs spes have been tested.
2) this batch will be shipped during from 20130306 to 20130405
3) the terms:
    No refund(the argument for this clause is not plausible absolutely, so I don't waste my time translate it)
    No guarantee, accept the risks, such as no 3rd party test, it could be a scam, cannot ship on time and bitcoin die.
    No customer service.
    The address cannot be changed after you submit the order.

It is late night in China, so happy discussion everyone. I am going to bed. All of this is so exciting that I cannot sleep

[Avalon官方公告] Avalon ASIC 第二批中国区预售提前开始 [复制链接]
ngzhang0

恩，各位好

目前我们遇到了一个问题，我们需要资金来购买下一批Avalon所需的零部件。如果不在年前将所需的零部件定下的话，我们可能会无法达成3月初即开始发货第二批的任务。因此在1.31日EST时间9：00，官方网站会开始预订第二批矿机以筹集资金。

第二批的机器与第一批的性能指标一样，经过实际测试，Avalon已经完全达到了设计的性能指标，如下：

bitcoin mining速度： 大于60Ghash/s
芯片功耗：6.6~6.7W 每GH/s

本批共600台，预计发货日期为3月6日开始，至4月5日结束，发货顺序基于付款顺序。每台售价为1500美元，包括运费，多买也没有折扣。

对于中国区而言，短时间内筹集大量的BTC有一定困难，所以经过团队内部讨论，在国内提前2天进行预售。此次预售共100台左右（也计入600台内），每个订单最低为5台，最多为30台。价格为每台9300人民币，包括运费，多买也没有折扣。付款方式为银行转帐。

在预订之前，请务必阅读并认可以下条款：

1，在任何情况下均不退款。这是因为，我们会用预付款去购买零部件，因此无法退款。
2，没有保障。这包括但不限于：现在没有第三方评测所带来的风险，我们是骗子的风险，由于客观和主管原因无法按时发货的风险，bitcoin本身出现严重问题无法继续存在等。
3，没有销售客服。由于人力有限，如果您不能理解本公告的全部内容，即请不要购买。同时，QQ和旺旺等均不作预订咨询，所有询问都不会得到回复。
4，收货地址一经确定即不能更改。

请您在仔细阅读本篇公告后，仔细考虑，再做出决定。

预订流程：
请将您的订单，按照以下格式填写后，发至官方邮箱： ngzhang@avalon-asic.com  
注意：任何格式不符的邮件，均会被直接丢弃不会处理。除预订外的其他邮件也不会得到回复。

----------------------------------------------分隔线-----------------------------------------------------

预订人姓名：
预订人联系电话：
预订数量：
收货地址：
收货联系人：
收货人联系电话：

----------------------------------------------分隔线-----------------------------------------------------

符合要求的订货邮件会在12小时内得到回复，您会得到预订单号，所需付款金额和一个银行帐号。
您需要在1.31日24点之前将所需款项足额汇至指定账号中，否则订单就被取消。
如果已经达到所需的预订数量，也有可能提前终止预订。

对于之后的订单：
对于30台以内的订单，请在全球预订开启后，直接在官方网站预订，只接受比特币，每人最多购买5台。
对于30台以上的订单，依然接受银行转帐。具体预订方法另行通知。

以上。

[mezzomix]

• Bitcoin Only
• No Refunds
• No Proof

OK, give me your address and I send you 150.000 USD in non-reversable bitcoin to pay for 100 Avalon units. 
...
Are you joking? No review by Jeff - no money!

[jamesg]

...and this is the respectable ASIC vendor. Holy crap.

Order NOW! Don't wait for the proof we promised! HURRY HURRY HURRY! WE NEED MONEY! RUN don't walk!

Where are all of the profits from batch #1?

* gigavps pulls out his calculator

1,299 * 300 == $389,700

Surely if you don't have any profits left over you'd keep your word and do some demos before asking for another $900k right?

[PuertoLibre]

...and this is the respectable ASIC vendor. Holy crap.

Order NOW! Don't wait for the proof we promised! HURRY HURRY HURRY! WE NEED MONEY! RUN don't walk!

And the funny thing is, people will probably do it.

I doubt they set the date of open batch orders on the 31st with blind luck on their side.

They probably know when it will get there and when the review should be done. $400 is either express or critical express (same day). The only hold up is probably customs.

I doubt they will allow us to choose the shipping speed now that they are sending them out without notice.

[SgtSpike]

The plot sickens...

[RoboCoder]

Wow.  Couldn't ask for a better soap opera on TV. 

For giggles, i pasted the chinese into google translate and while i know it is not an exact translation - the wording on number 2 really caught my eyes:

2, there is no guarantee. These include but are not limited to: the risks of third-party evaluation, we are liars risk, due to the risk of objective and competent reason can not be shipped on time, bitcoin itself a serious problem and can not continue to exist.

-- I have to say: if that is even somewhat accurate - i can't believe anyone would order from them in the second batch.  I mean really, they are asking you to accept the term:  we might be liars???


Wow. squared.

[Beepbop]

Well, they're honest about it at least. (No, that doesn't mean they're free to scam people, but I think the over/under on them is still that they're probably legit.)

[creativex]

Just when you thought BFL was the least professional company on Earth...suddenly a new contender for the crown emerges.

This is too much, they can keep their batches. Fear >>> Greed^5 after this nonsense.

[cedivad]

Excuse me for posting Chinese here, but I think it is really important to record it here ASAP and then later translate it by me or other volunteers. This post was posted by an ID of ngzhang0 on the bbs.btcman.com, a Chinese bitcoin forum.

Basically, this post are offering for 100 unit pre-ordering through bank wiring in China before Jan 31, 2 days before the foreign customers. Each order should be at least 5 units but no more than 30 units.

The so called ngzhang0 said:

1) the 60Ghash/s and 6.6-6.7w/GHs spes have been tested.
2) this batch will be shipped during from 20130306 to 20130405
3) the terms:
    No refund(the argument for this clause is not plausible absolutely, so I don't waste my time translate it)
    No guarantee, accept the risks, such as no 3rd party test, it could be a scam, cannot ship on time and bitcoin die.
    No customer service.
    The address cannot be changed after you submit the order.

It is late night in China, so happy discussion everyone. I am going to bed.

[Avalon官方公告] Avalon ASIC 第二批中国区预售提前开始 [复制链接]
ngzhang0

恩，各位好

目前我们遇到了一个问题，我们需要资金来购买下一批Avalon所需的零部件。如果不在年前将所需的零部件定下的话，我们可能会无法达成3月初即开始发货第二批的任务。因此在1.31日EST时间9：00，官方网站会开始预订第二批矿机以筹集资金。

第二批的机器与第一批的性能指标一样，经过实际测试，Avalon已经完全达到了设计的性能指标，如下：

bitcoin mining速度： 大于60Ghash/s
芯片功耗：6.6~6.7W 每GH/s

本批共600台，预计发货日期为3月6日开始，至4月5日结束，发货顺序基于付款顺序。每台售价为1500美元，包括运费，多买也没有折扣。

对于中国区而言，短时间内筹集大量的BTC有一定困难，所以经过团队内部讨论，在国内提前2天进行预售。此次预售共100台左右（也计入600台内），每个订单最低为5台，最多为30台。价格为每台9300人民币，包括运费，多买也没有折扣。付款方式为银行转帐。

在预订之前，请务必阅读并认可以下条款：

1，在任何情况下均不退款。这是因为，我们会用预付款去购买零部件，因此无法退款。
2，没有保障。这包括但不限于：现在没有第三方评测所带来的风险，我们是骗子的风险，由于客观和主管原因无法按时发货的风险，bitcoin本身出现严重问题无法继续存在等。
3，没有销售客服。由于人力有限，如果您不能理解本公告的全部内容，即请不要购买。同时，QQ和旺旺等均不作预订咨询，所有询问都不会得到回复。
4，收货地址一经确定即不能更改。

请您在仔细阅读本篇公告后，仔细考虑，再做出决定。

预订流程：
请将您的订单，按照以下格式填写后，发至官方邮箱： ngzhang@avalon-asic.com  
注意：任何格式不符的邮件，均会被直接丢弃不会处理。除预订外的其他邮件也不会得到回复。

----------------------------------------------分隔线-----------------------------------------------------

预订人姓名：
预订人联系电话：
预订数量：
收货地址：
收货联系人：
收货人联系电话：

----------------------------------------------分隔线-----------------------------------------------------

符合要求的订货邮件会在12小时内得到回复，您会得到预订单号，所需付款金额和一个银行帐号。
您需要在1.31日24点之前将所需款项足额汇至指定账号中，否则订单就被取消。
如果已经达到所需的预订数量，也有可能提前终止预订。

对于之后的订单：
对于30台以内的订单，请在全球预订开启后，直接在官方网站预订，只接受比特币，每人最多购买5台。
对于30台以上的订单，依然接受银行转帐。具体预订方法另行通知。

以上。

Did they told you (chinese customers) the reason of the delay in shipping? It cannot be customs there.

[michaelmclees]

I think I called this one pretty close on the 25th...

...

Avalon has shipped boxes with bricks in them.  They are tracking the packages and are waiting until they are near their destination.  Despite what they've said about Batch #2 being open only after the first reviews, they make an announcement that in the interest of time, they are opening up Batch #2 orders, which quickly sells out, even though they've increased the number available to 2,000.  The first packages arrive, are found to be bricks and we never hear from Avalon again.

What did I get wrong?  It would appear that rather than shipping bricks, they've failed to ship anything at all, so there is no need to track it.  Now they're announcing Batch #2 and increasing it not to 2,000, but a more modest bump from 500 to 600.  This will quickly sell out and we'll never hear from Avalon again.

That is my prediction.  Prove me wrong Avalon.

[mtminer]

Just when you thought BFL was the least professional company on Earth...suddenly a new contender for the crown emerges.

This is too much, they can keep their batches. Fear >>> Greed^5 after this nonsense.

Pretty hard to do but they have pulled it off.

[HorseRider]

Did they told you (chinese customers) the reason of the delay in shipping? It cannot be customs there.

No, I personally have heard no Chinese customers receiving their products. And I believe if there is any news in any form of publicity it will be explosive in the Chinese bitcoin social network. There was no explanation in this post.

[Fuzzy]

Prove me wrong Avalon.

Oh, they don't have time for that 

[jwzguy]

My bet would be on a fast sell-out of batch 2, regardless.

[michaelmclees]

My bet would be on a fast sell-out of batch 2, regardless.

I agree.  That's why I'm a little surprised they didn't stop the orders at a higher number.... hey, wait a second.

Maybe there is no upper limit.  So customers think there is a cap at 600, but in reality, because there is no product, it is limitless.