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3261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
I love the smell of failed whale schemes in the morning.
3262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2013, 08:35:12 PM
The highly secure blockchain is the right medium for small transfers. You will have to have the possibility to buy every day stuff with your smartphone with bitcoin, or it will die. Period. Off-the-chain is the most stupid shit I heard the last weeks.
Everybody is talking about regulations, senate hearings, peeing their pants whether the Chinese will accept bitcoins or whatever. But the real thread are the users/speculators who think you have to have the whole blockchain in your pocket.
Bitcoin has the ultimate chance to replace visa etc..
7 Billion people with 1-5 transactions a day, that should be the goal of bitcoin.
If this is not going to be implemented the next months I will sell out and watch one of the greatest projects in our time die.

Guys, you heard it from [Date Registered: November 15, 2013, 01:22:48 PM], show's over. See you at the next Ponzi.
3263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2013, 08:16:50 PM
Currency of the future. My payment of xx:18 still has 0 confirmations at xx:51. Sorry I could not dump you sooner, my coins
This is why bitcoin might die soon. Because there are to many people who don't understand, that the value of bitcoin is based on the promise of fast and cheap transactions. They dream of some kind of electric gold and this will make bitcoin drop to zero.
If you can't pay your 3$ coffee without an 3$ fee, bitcoin is worth shit.

every damn time. what happened to good old "lurk moar"? here's your answer: the (highly secure) blockchain is most likely not the ideal medium for micro transfers, and probably not even for small-ish transactions like paying for your coffee. That doesn't mean Bitcoin will fail, it only means there will be ways to perform smaller transaction off the chain.
3264  Economy / Speculation / Re: BitcoinCrystalballTrader - Bitcoin Trading Predictive Analytics on: November 20, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
I like their colorful pictures Cheesy There's one with rabbits on the site itself.
3265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2013, 07:59:58 PM
Currency of the future. My payment of xx:18 still has 0 confirmations at xx:51. Sorry I could not dump you sooner, my coins

lulz i've been paying zero tx fees.. and getting my coins 6/6 in about an hr..from when I send them, I dunno why it got defaulted.. to 0.0 but it did and I've corrected this.

Doesn't it depend on how many BTC you're transferring? I find that large transactions go through straight away with no fee, but smaller transactions require fees (and higher fees depending on how small).

Don't feed the trolls.

Of course his tx would have gone through faster had he put in a fee higher than zero :D
3266  Economy / Speculation / Re: BitcoinCrystalballTrader - Bitcoin Trading Predictive Analytics on: November 20, 2013, 07:35:35 PM
/subscribe
3267  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2013, 06:31:55 PM
Interested to know what you guys think (preferably I would like to hear the opinion of those favoring a scenario of an immediate s-curve, economic singularity or whatever you would like to call it) Bitcoin's market cap will likely be in 2016. At MtGox prices, we peaked out at about 10.8 billion so far.

Say it goes up 1000% a year which I believe is viewed as conservative, that would be 100-fold increase and we would have a trillion dollar market cap.

Perhaps a poll?

I personally think there's a critical jump from ~10B to ~100B. The former is something that the regular investment types still sneer at (just read an article by some Stanford kid a few days ago, "explaining" why Bitcoin isn't really interesting for the field of economics yet), 100B is respectable, getting close to the market cap of a global company (like, say, Apple).

What to take from that I don't know exactly: it both means (in my opinion) it will be harder to cross the next order of magnitude, and it might actually require an additional step up in btc infrastructure, merchant adoption, mainstream acceptance (something that wasn't that vital up to now, IMO), but it also means that once we cross that level of 100B, a whole new array of people and institutions will take note of this little gamble we have going here.
3268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mtgox, Bitstamp "Let's calm down": 700, 550$. China "I don't give a fuck": 900$. on: November 20, 2013, 06:21:48 PM
LOL at the Japanese girlfriend idea.  Cheesy

Working on it?

Japanese girls are cute, but the teeth... or my good, the teeth. Makes the Brits look like dental care fanatics in comparison.
3269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2013, 06:19:17 PM
I remember the same YoYa (in both previous bubbles), all of those media indicators are lagging behind the price. To be honest, I'm not sure why i even bother looking at Google Trends anymore on occasion myself.

You know, I personally think you're one of the less uninformed bears :D
3270  Economy / Exchanges / Re: www.BITSTAMP.net Bitcoin exchange site for USD/BTC on: November 20, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
@hazek are you going to give us an explanation of

1. What happened.
2. Why there was zero communication to users via Twitter/forum/email - Twitter takes 5 seconds to tweet a message.
3. What you have done or will do in order for 1 or 2 not to occur again.

In short we accept there will be technical issues, but your zero communication (MtGox) style of customer relations is not going to do you any favors...

Huge +1 from me.

This is not about the technical problem itself. I understand that DDoS and the banking software problem can take a while, and I also understand that you now have a backlog that hopefully gets worked through within a few days.

But, really, Hazek: next time there's a meltdown like yesterday, please give us AT LEAST ONE UPDATE PER DAY.

There is ALWAYS enought time for that. A quick note so we know you're working on it, and didn't run away with our coins/money. That's all I ask for, and I really think you should keep it in mind.

One. Short. Update. Twitter, or email, or news item on the webpage. Your choice.

But one update per 24h.

That's all.
3271  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: November 20, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
I asked for a 'Bitstamp fiat ticker' more than a month ago. Got a friendly & positive response from Raphael, but obviously it wasn't implemented in time. In a situation like that of the past week(s), that made trading via bitfinex a risky proposition.

Add to that the useless comment I got from Giancarlo a few pages ago when I said that trading on bitfinex own exchange invokes too much slippage and is therefore no alternative to execution on bitstamp ("just use limit orders", was the imbecile's answer), and I decided a week ago to give bitfinex a rest for now.

Transfered my funds to bitstamp, which is far from perfect as well of course, but at least one problem is taken out of the equation: if you have fiat on bitstamp, you actually have fiat on bitstamp.

Somewhat sad to go, bitfinex is great in many respects. But neither Raphael nor Giancarlo really seem to understand how frustrating the Bitstamp fiat problem really is for traders, otherwise they would have done *something* different about it, and if it only would have been implementing the "fiat ticker" mentioned above.
3272  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mtgox, Bitstamp "Let's calm down": 700, 550$. China "I don't give a fuck": 900$. on: November 20, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
LOL at the Japanese girlfriend idea.  Cheesy

But.... As I am typing this the spread between Bitstamp and MtGox is only ... $5   ?!?!

WTF! What's going on?



If I had to guess: bitfinex funds arrived on stamp?
3273  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 20, 2013, 05:52:40 PM
I get same picture everywhere. However Gox shows more clear EW picture. And bitstamp breaks its feed second time in a week.

Bitstamp is really starting to disappoint, in my opinion. Bitfinex not much better either IMO. Mtgox not worth mentioning. Where to go, where to go...
3274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 20, 2013, 05:38:05 PM
Since your analysis is usually based on mtgox data (correct me if I'm wrong), I'd like to add one thing: the markets are reactive to each other, and right now, everyone else is almost certainly looking at where China is going. But there is also the notable fact that Bitstamp resisted the craze of the past days much more than gox and btcchina, for example the gox ATH log line applied to bitstamp's reduced price proved to be a point of resistance.

My point is, stamp was reluctant to join the run-up, corrected back earlier, and now, interestingly, is back up on its feet earlier than the others (green daily candle today, while gox and china still had some correcting to do I guess Cheesy). I take that as a pretty bullish sign, if the "bear" exchange is going up again.
3275  Economy / Speculation / Re: 21M BTC might be enough for everyone on: November 20, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
I don't know if this was discussed but I am not joking. With the current 10 minutes or so waiting time, blockchain size increasing, there's no way bitcoin will be use for microtransactions (although the crowd decided how much money sends and for what purpose).

What if bitcoin will be a niche, serving cryptogeeks, nerds, libertarians and maybe some "speculators". We could see a critical mass achieved soon, maybe even this year with all the media hype, US senate debate etc. Once critical mass is there, price will flat-line. Won't matter who gets in and out, it will be some kind of equilibrium. Not all people would want bitcoin or know what to do with it.


Were you ever daft enough to think otherwise? Seriously, what exactly is the Bitcoin proposition to the wider public?

'Please use this currency which we created a few years ago and exchange goods and services with us based on the valuation our small community of libertarian zealots have attributed to it.'

Did you buy back yet? Please do so, quickly, because your constant bitching about the impeding failure of all things bitcoin is getting grating, you know.
3276  Economy / Speculation / Re: The bottom is 175$ on: November 20, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
I doubt it will go below the previous April ATH ($250)

The April bubble never crashed below the previous 2011 bubble ATH ($32).  It's a big barrier


But still not big crash this month (over 66% loss in one day). Under $200 is still very likely

I don't see sub-300 in the current atmosphere. China is about twice as high as that, and their volume currently dictates the overall impression of buying pressure.

Not saying it can't happen in the future, but some fundamental sentiment change in China would have to occur first.
3277  Economy / Exchanges / Re: www.BITSTAMP.net Bitcoin exchange site for USD/BTC on: November 19, 2013, 10:18:30 PM
Just pathetic. What's even more pathetic than the lag in transfers and today's total clusterfuck is the fact that the co-founder is a moderator on these boards but not even able to give at least some sort of brief life sign explaining what the heck is going on (despite being active and constantly logging in here today, last one 8 p.m.).

I can't facepalm my face enough for such an unprofessional conduct of business.

God, I'm longing for the day some real players step up with a reliable, professional exchange and stomp these amateur exchanges to the ground. You'd think with a market cap of 8 billion the time for serious business has come. But nah, let's just run our exchanges like drunken apes. So frustrating.

I'm also not happy with the communication of Bitstamp. A short note on twitter is the least they could do, even if they can't fix the problem immediately.

That said, you're maybe not entirely fair about the "all exchanges are run by drunken apes". A major reason for exchange downtimes appear to be DDoS attacks. The sites don't handle them well, true, but then again, which (non bitcoin) sites do you know that *do* handle DDoS without downtime? The effect is just more spectacular in our case because traders tends to get twitchy when they can't log in and trade.
3278  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mtgox, Bitstamp "Let's calm down": 700, 550$. China "I don't give a fuck": 900$. on: November 19, 2013, 05:18:48 PM
Aahh, the efficiency of a "billion dollar market". Cheesy

Wait, is it 9 billion or 6 billion?

That one cuts both ways, no?

"Aah, the inefficiency of the legacy banking system, and political limitations of transfer of wealth that allow such a disconnect to persist." Cheesy
3279  Economy / Speculation / Mtgox, Bitstamp "Let's calm down": 700, 550$. China "I don't give a fuck": 900$. on: November 19, 2013, 05:12:18 PM
The disconnect is staggering, no? I mean, I got used to mtgox prices being 10% higher than bitstamp, but right now it's more than 20%, and China's price is just plain unreal considering how much lower Bitstamp is.

What do you expect to happen? China pulling the rest up again, or the Bitstamp pulling everyone down? Or will it stay the way it is? After all, arbitrage between exchanges seems to be slow and not very effective in the past.
3280  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears Bunker - Official thread on: November 18, 2013, 11:47:22 PM

How odd. I'm getting a very different result.

First, we're looking at $ volume, right? Otherwise we would have to pretend that trading 1 btc for 200$ is equivalent to trading 1 btc for 500, 600$.


You you be doing it all wrong, in conventional technical analysis you look at ordinary volume, not dollar volume. with dollar volume you mix up two different data sets, i.e. price and volume. open any technical analysis textbook and you will find price and ORDINARY volume charts. dollar volume is usually only mentioned briefly if at all. believes me i read too many of those books over past 20 years.

Ah, I see. I forgot the ingenious "I read it in a book", no wait: "I read it in *many* books" defence.

You expressed concerns that this rally is running on low volume, a sign of divergence. That argument however assumes that you are concerned that not enough money is entering the market to sustain the rally. Hence, USD volume is the important factor here.

I'm not saying btc volume is never a useful metric, I'm not saying this rally will "go to the moon", but I *am* saying that if you seriously believe that after a 50-fold price increase since January we must have the same btc volume to sustain a rally, or at the very least: sustain the gains we made, you'd probably  be wrong
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