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If someone is playing at the non-rated books please post your experiences. Thanks
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Please post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.0 if you have any book information that you would like to add to help in determining ratings. If you have any disagreements with the ratings, please post that too. The thread contains information on all books. Posters and books are invited to post. Thanks |
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"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)
"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)
Casinobitcoin B- (2013)
"C" rated books
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
SBObitcoin C+ (2013) *
Betcoinsports C (2013)
DirectBet C (2013)
Jetwin C- (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014) *
"D" rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
BetVIP D+ (2014)
Webetcoins D+ (2014)
Gobetgo D+ (2014)
Bitbm D
Bitcoinlivebets D- (2013)
"F" rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC
NR
Darkbet
Betmoose
Fairlay
Cointeller
Bitbook
xbet.io
Pocketrocketscasino.eu/sports
Predictious
tdsports
* longer accepting cash deposits
Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players
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Casinobitcoin raised from C+ to B-. Casinobitcoin had the top rating for a book in business less than 1 year. Casinobitcoin has now met the criteria for an upgrade. Here's some old news on Casinobitcoin that occurred after their C+ rating. CASINOBITCO.IN (CBTC) ACQUIRES BIT777, PEERBET
CasinoBitco.in (Havelock Investments ticker symbol: CBTC) today announces the acquisition of popular Bitcoin Gaming properties Bit777.com, Peerbet.org, and Peerdice.org from Ultraplay, Ltd. Terms of the deal have not been disclosed.
CasinoBitco.in (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013, they offer HTML5 Blackjack, Roulette, Baccarat, Video Poker and Hi-Lo in their Casino.
Bit777 is a Bitcoin-only Casino, designed by Ultraplay Ltd, offering over 50+ flash-based games and have taken in over 1 million bets!
Peerbet.org is a popular community-based Bitcoin Gambling site offering chat, raffles, a proprietary Wheel game, dice, and more.
Peerdice.org, an offshoot of Peerbet.org, is a unique new community versus style dice game with only a 0.3% house edge. Players select their rolls and bet against each other on the site. Since launching February 1st, the site has already supported over 250,000 P2P games.
CasinoBitco. in first announced their goal of growth via an acquisition on Havelock Investments in December 2013. Since then, CasinoBitco.in has been in negotiations with Ultraplay and other Bitcoin Gaming operators looking for a deal favorable to all parties involved. Ultimately, the acquisition of Bit777/Peerbet was a the best fit for CasinoBitco.in not only due to the strong financials Bit777/Peerbet bring to the table, but also the opportunity to bring awareness of CasinoBitco.in to over 15,000 registered users on Bit777/Peerbet.
CasinoBitco.in is extremely excited to add Bit777/Peerbet to their current assets and eagerly looking forward to integrate all sites under the CasinoBitco.in brand
Ultraplay will continue some involvement in operations of the acquired properties for the foreseeable future, and there is no immediate impact to players on Bit777/Peerbet. CasinoBitco.in ultimately intends to merge many of the feature and functionalities between the various sites over the next 6 months to build the largest and best Bitcoin Gaming network around. |
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Cloudbet has a banner at Peepsplace.com. I bashed them here at bitcointalk because their World Cup contest is impossible to win. Books or players - Feel free to post about any World Cup contests. I'm going to try to go through them all later. Cloudbet is putting up 100 BTC but it's nearly impossible to win "A" rated booksAnonibet A (2011) "B"rated booksNitrogenSports B+ (2012) Casinobitcoin B- (2013) "C" rated booksCloudbet C+ (2013) SBObitcoin C+ (2013) * Betcoinsports C (2013) DirectBet C (2013) Jetwin C- (2013) BetOWI C- (2014) * "D" rated books Coindraft D+ (2014) Roadbet D+ (2012) BetVIP D+ (2014) Webetcoins D+ (2014) Gobetgo D+ (2014) Bitbm D Bitcoinlivebets D- (2013) "F" rated booksBetCas F Bitcoinsport F Coinbet F Sportbet.im F StakeBTC NRDarkbet Betmoose Fairlay Cointeller Bitbook xbet.io Pocketrocketscasino.eu/sports Predictious tdsports * longer accepting cash deposits Maximum grade based upon time in business: A - 2 years B - 1 year C - 3 months D - 1 month F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players |
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Now suddenly why these problems around Directbet first one guy was crying about his bet and now this Peeps Place is also asking for some verification is any thing wrong or just some business jealousy working here  Just a hobby for me as I like to post at gambling forums with other gamblers. I'm just counter-punching DirectBet's poll. I like his poll and would even vote conflict of interest especially since he is wrong on how he posted the question. 1. Ratings went up. 2. The top books at the time were asked to advertise at Peepsplace for promotion on cash forums. 3. Posters wanted the ratings to be more stringent so caps were place upon time in business. Most book ratings were lowered. 4. Some of the "D" and now "F" books asked to advertise and we said, "no". |
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Books have to pay "street tax" or else. You have to shake down these books.
On a serious note you can look at other ratings guides here at BCT or elsewhere, DirectBet is not listed very high. They were thought to be a good book at one time. It seems that the influx of new books and consistent improvements of other books have taken a toll on DirectBet.
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It's been reported that Coindrafts is having problems slow paying players. Is anyone currently playing at Coindrafts?
I have played at Coindrafts pretty much from the beginning, I have spent most my time on the DFS side but I have placed many bets as well, one time I had to wait to get my withdrawl but the admin were in contact with me on the chat and I received it hassle free. thanks |
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DirectBet is not presenting facts. Casinobitcoin will be the third rated book here at bitcointalk. That was posted and reasons will be given after the World Cup. Casinobitcoin does not have a banner up at peepsplace and they don't pay anyone at peepsplace.
Anonibet and Nitrogen are the top 2 books and they are on the top of everyone's ratings guide.
Ok thanks for the info, however it still doesn't change the conflict of interest between you as a rating service and those bookies which pay you. As I already stated your top 2 rated bookies don't have as much sports covered and require registration. If I want to be restricted I will join the standard cash bookies. No one pays for what is posted at Bitcointalk. DirectBet is even wrong about peepsplace.com. He isn't privy to the conversations pertaining to other books and is just guessing on the business relationship. If you look at the ratings at other sites, Anonibet and Nitrogen are always near the top. The ratings here are a general guide. Each player should play at books that tailor their own needs. |
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DirectBet is not presenting facts. He's even wrong about the books being paid since he is not privy to those conversations. Casinobitcoin will be the third rated book here at bitcointalk. That was posted and reasons will be given tomorrow. Casinobitcoin does not have a banner up at peepsplace and they don't pay anyone at peepsplace.
Anonibet and Nitrogen are the top 2 books and they are on the top of everyone's ratings guide.
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Now that DirectBet has stolen over 200 BTC from players, would you still play there?
Where do you get these made up numbers from? They are fictitious and used as an analogy to what DirectBet is doing with his poll. But they are using facts in their question, you do get paid by those bookies doesn't matter what reason and when you rate them you use "poster's feedback" which is hard to quantify and very subjective. Ratings are supposed to be objective and look at figures not opinions. Your question is trying to manipulate us into believing they did something fictitious while their question is presenting facts and ask us if we think its right for that to happen. Reagan pays all the bills at peepsplace. He puts up the banners. Ask around if you have questions about his credibility. I've turned down a lot of money from both cash books and bitcoin books. When I was at peepsplace running a subforum, I was personally paid by two books for banners. When I heard that they books were having problems, I voluntarily asked for the banners to be brought down and forfeited the money. The books were having problems on the credit side. Many times this is a sign that trouble with soon begin on the post up side and it was a preemptive strike. |
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It's been reported that Coindrafts is having problems slow paying players. Is anyone currently playing at Coindrafts?
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Now that DirectBet has stolen over 200 BTC from players, would you still play there?
Where do you get these made up numbers from? They are fictitious and used as an analogy to what DirectBet is doing with his poll. DirectBet seems to be desperate and will do anything to try and save the ship. |
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Now that DirectBet has stolen over 200 BTC from players, would you still play there?
The above is an example of how DirectBet uses polls.
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DirectBet is very untruthful. In the email I sent I told him that we plug at other forums. We plug at cash forums with promotional sections. My email says that I will show him links. The links are from other forums such as the RX.
DirectBet is trying to make it look like plugs at BCT. This is untrue. If that were the case, then I wouldn't have to send links. We send out articles and do interviews to help advertising books at peepsplace. The BCT forum is for players already using bitcoins. peepsplace.com targets cash players.
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He needs to be untruthful to justify his rating. His poll and posts should pertain to DirectBet and not Peepsplace. At peepsplace we help new players that are just starting out with bitcoins to get into the bitcoin books. The ratings here have nothing to do with banners over at Peepsplace. When DirectBet takes down the poll it would help them to stay on topic here. Something should be done about their theoretical hold. It's the highest, worst for the player, in the business for live betting. I'm not a particularly avid gambler (at least anymore) but I cannot help but notice a conflict of interest here. I'm not sure about you, but personally I feel that the position your claiming at the moment about the ratings having no bearing upon the paid advertisers you have is untenable. Assuming you try to be fair (and let's say a book is pretty shitty with a dodgy interface and high vig) and this book in question pays you for advertising, do you honestly think that the book will still advertise with you if you give it a poor but honest assessment? This is a conflict of interest; where money and honesty are involved my bet would be on the money. While I accept everyone wants to make a buck you cannot claim that your views are not biased at least to some small degree. Many books have asked to pay for advertising at peepsplace. We turn most of the down. Peepsplace opened in 2003 and putting up banners for bad books ruins our reputation. Peepsplace and bitcointalk are totally separate. I'm just a poster like everyone else here at bitcointalk. The ratings are determined by posters. Over at peepsplace, we help convert cash players to bitcoin players. We then help players join the books with banners. |
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Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players
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For example your A and B rated bookies are missing important sports and horse racing books. Are you rating solely on website design and functionality ? If so they both look great but I wouldn't use them because
1. they require registration so the problem I ran from the standard bookies of restricting accounts could happen again so whats the point
2. I bet mostly on horse racing and they don't provide any bets for that
Without the reasoning behind a bookie rating it really looks like you're rating them higher as more money they give you, This tactic seemed to be the cause of issues with Directbet which refused to pay you so you downgraded them, however they should be at least been given a mention that 1. they don't provide registration so they can't restrict you which is a huge plus, and 2. they accept the widest variety of bets from the entire crypto bookies. That would be fair and if you find problems with their site also mention those so that newcomers can make educated decisions, you instead provide 5-10 bookies with A, B and C+ ratings and ask them for 1-2 btcs privately.
The poster's feedback is the engine for the ratings. There are always reasons given for upgrades and downgrades. Below is criteria that is used. The posters wanted a change where the ratings were more stringent and books had to earn their rating so a cap was placed on a book rating based upon time in business. 1. A heavy emphasis will be placed on speed of payments. Several books immediately pay out after the game has been graded. Those are the books with the least risk involved. Sweat the game, not the payout is not just a slogan. It should be a way of life for these bitcoin books. Bitcoin books have a much higher standard involved than post-up books because there are no fees involved and no need for a third party processor. 2. Grading time. Most postup books have automated grading; the winners and losers are determined minutes after the game is over. Bitcoin books that do this show that they have invested in their software. Books that rely on an individual to grade all games tend to have a high degree of risk. 3. Books not requiring personal information including an email address will be graded higher. Anonymity is a plus. 4. Date opened if less than 2 years. Bitcoin has just taken off in the past year, so it's unfair for one to compare a top bitcoin book with a post-up book like Pinnacle. But it is still important that a book shows itself to not be a flash in the pan. The longer a period of time a book has been open, the better its track record. 5. Limits. In general, the higher the limits, the deeper the bankroll of the sportsbook. If a bitcoin book takes high limits and pays out quickly, it shows its strength. 6. Sports and options offered. Uniqueness of lines and betting options is a positive. 7. Mobile betting. The ability to bet on the go can be important to some. 8. Live betting. The more, the better. Offering live betting isn't easy; the ones that do offer live betting lines tend to be stronger in general. 9. Customer service. The better the customer service, the more professional the book. 10. Interface. Ease of use is important. 11. Whether or not the book requires a deposit account. Depositing into a bitcoin book is a much bigger risk to the bettor, especially since these books have not built up a strong history that shows their staying ability. |
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BitBM lowered to D. There is an affiliation with cash post up book BetCascade.
"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)
"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)
"C" rated books
Casinobitcoin C+ (2013)
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
SBObitcoin C+ (2013) *
Betcoinsports C (2013)
DirectBet C (2013)
Jetwin C- (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014) *
"D" rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
BetVIP D+ (2014)
Webetcoins D+ (2014)
Gobetgo D+ (2014)
Bitbm D
Bitcoinlivebets D- (2013)
"F" rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC
NR
Darkbet
Betmoose
Fairlay
Cointeller
Bitbook
xbet.io
Pocketrocketscasino.eu/sports
Predictious
tdsports
* longer accepting cash deposits
Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players
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