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3301  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER: board seat (equivalent of 5000 shares) for sale on: February 22, 2013, 05:38:02 AM

this might be the largest OTC trade with escrow ever. Glad to see it!

Thanks, kind of intimidating.  I doubt it is the largest in bitcoin numbers, but perhaps it is the largest in cash value given the recent rise?  I hope I made a good choice! Tongue

Really comes down to butterfly labs shipping and avalon's shipping rates. Tongue

I remember that last time nanotube held escrow for Vandroiy and Pirate's bet for 10,000BTC, so there's larger OTC trades AFAIK. I've transacted more in Bitcoin numbers back in the good old days, but this is the largest transaction in fiat for me so far too. I have the addresses backed up with a lawyer and a couple of safes, like my personal holdings are.

This whole ASICMiner escrow business is getting expensive for me - I'm seriously considering to charge a fixed fee to cover the risks and time spent for future larger and longer transactions now  Tongue
My signature address would do nicely, and thanks!
3302  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER: board seat (equivalent of 5000 shares) for sale on: February 22, 2013, 05:31:07 AM

this might be the largest OTC trade with escrow ever. Glad to see it!

Thanks, kind of intimidating.  I doubt it is the largest in bitcoin numbers, but perhaps it is the largest in cash value given the recent rise?  I hope I made a good choice! Tongue

Really comes down to butterfly labs shipping and avalon's shipping rates. Tongue

I remember that last time nanotube held escrow for Vandroiy and Pirate's bet for 10,000BTC, so there's larger OTC trades AFAIK. I've transacted more in Bitcoin numbers back in the good old days, but this is the largest transaction in fiat for me so far too. I have the addresses backed up with a lawyer and a couple of safes, like my personal holdings are.

This whole ASICMiner escrow business is getting expensive for me - I'm seriously considering to charge a fixed fee to cover the risks and time spent for future larger and longer transactions now  Tongue
3303  Economy / Auctions / Re: 850 (or more) ASICMiner shares for sale. 1 day auction! on: February 22, 2013, 03:45:09 AM
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

The escrow addresses for Chaang Noi (Goat)'s second ASICMINER auction would be the following:

1. 1aUquqn9Ljq8284EGc1Lnb18xXEwtsFNz
2. 19TSGhqGcDdSeZrrVEY7uo1E41HE7EU8jx
3. 1epRAEMygxV4Kf8nz5bSj9qKzTax6JmCG
4. 14gnjyTXGvS4ZYTigUkVCtfVQ931jNQh8q
5. 1PM3pSDq9SQQXSFZ2EDi2HqGsX7Lu2WLaZ
6. 1Eomj5F4MYxbmJV4dydgSppNwtj7ajMWDU
7. 16W6ohp4oa2zbTtUsbPc8o5NwoKjQT8qBG
8. 1mYwme4Fe9du6rry97vg5hyNHcsw5iFTa
9. 1FXes9f7gEJE7LuYgWdwWnokevSicwFhKH
10. 1LBoZscqFA7LoxkH5MGh5FjEQCTemtKuZ2

Please ensure that Chaang Noi has sent you a correct address in the list should you choose to use escrow by me. Thank you.

John
Feb 22 2013
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3304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Giveaway! on: February 21, 2013, 05:13:21 PM
rHgqZRqHb74Eso6KxngAZMsQjrTVdfCVqy
3305  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Still a newbie? on: February 21, 2013, 04:52:23 PM
Me too^_^
Whitelisted too.
3306  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Still a newbie? on: February 21, 2013, 04:31:20 PM
Something might be wrong with the cron job.

Manually whitelisted you guys:

Code:
codegnome: OK
plummonkey: OK
Benja: OK

3307  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SilkroadTor.com on: February 21, 2013, 04:18:29 PM
Report them to the moderator and post warning posts if you see them back again just in case we are offline.
Something like:

THIS IS A CONFIRMED SCAM.
Update, latest incarnation:
  silkroadtor.com

The e-mail address for that PayPal account: bitcoinecheck@live.com

Previous scams (in chronological order) likely by the same scammer:

 - EasZPay.com   [Fixed, thanks Gladamas]
 - MtGax.com
 - MtGix.com
 - i4Dollars.com
 - BTKoin.com
 - BitcoinTalks.com
 - VirWex.com
 - bitcoin.appee.com

Please report this scammer as badware:

 - http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/?url=http://silkroadtor.com



Code:
[size=20pt][color=red]THIS IS A CONFIRMED SCAM.[/color][/size]
[quote author=Stephen Gornick link=topic=98251.msg1541215#msg1541215 date=1361319654]
Update, latest incarnation:
  silkroadtor.com

The e-mail address for that PayPal account: bitcoinecheck@live.com

Previous scams (in chronological order) likely by the same scammer:

 - EasZPay.com   [Fixed, thanks Gladamas]
 - MtGax.com
 - MtGix.com
 - i4Dollars.com
 - BTKoin.com
 - BitcoinTalks.com
 - VirWex.com
 - bitcoin.appee.com

Please report this scammer as badware:

 - http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/?url=http://silkroadtor.com

[/quote]
3308  Other / Meta / Re: Local -> Other not protected with Newbie restrictions? on: February 21, 2013, 03:47:57 PM
There appears to be the ability for "Brand New" forum members to be able to post in the Local -> Other board, without any of the Newbie restrictions like the other boards have.  Is this intentional?

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=11.0
It was like this as far as I could tell. It's probably intentional for international users who do not wish to post in the English speaking Newbie subforum AFAIK.
3309  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 21, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
Can we have a confirmation for the location of the IPO? I am not personally invested in ASICMiner, but I am holding escrow for a sizeable chunk of shares.
3310  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER: board seat (equivalent of 5000 shares) for sale on: February 21, 2013, 03:37:56 PM
I signed the contract a couple of posts ago, but I'll re-sign it with the newest address.

Code:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

1) Purpose
This contract regulates the finalization of the ASICMINER auction in
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142038.0

2) Buyers
 PM.6        100 @ 0.45
 ghostshirt  200 @ 0.45
 Vezunchik   100 @ 0.45
 LainZ       100 @ 0.45
 asnonmous  5000 @ 0.44 (including 500 from board chair option)

3) Seller
Shares are sold by user zefir. They are currently held directly by
friedcat as a PGP-signed lock-in contract.

4) Escrow
Graet and John (johnthedong) will escrow the transactions. Buyers
decided whom to choose, resulting in the following transaction plan:
 PM.6        45 BTC to 1EEFt1JqyTuTEsGHERJj58QcYb72BaPeTj (Graet)
 ghostshirt  90 BTC to 15A8ztRxjnHud6unJi3dLpB9bLGdXVxAyg (Graet)
 Vezunchik   45 BTC to 1hnvX9pA6eSZPfGEaLHR1RHM6RE82yUox  (Graet)
 LainZ       45 BTC to 18AfJDFimnxRCbK4JbzqdHm1SigCySYT3p (Graet)
 asnonmous 2200 BTC to 1CuNd5n42cfqDz8SPVLSRsGHk2tLcHVMGh (John)

Payment shall be made from an address that the buyer fully controls,
i.e. is in possession of the private key, so the escrow in case of
disputes and cancellation can return the funds to sender.

5) Activation
This contract will be posted in the auction thread and changes its
status to active when both escrows and the seller digitally sign it,
either by PGP or Bitcoin address signature.

6) Acceptance
After activation (i.e. the time when all three signatures from point
5. were posted), the buyers accept this contract by sending their
respective payments to the escrow addresses given in 4. They are
given three days (72h + 12h time zone margin) to finalize the trans-
action in full. Failing so, their deal status changes to canceled.

7) Share Transfer
ASICMINER is going to have its private exchange that is scheduled to
go online before the first dividend payment is processed. As soon as
it launches, buyers need to open an account and provide all required
data to seller to initiate a transfer of shares. Since the details
of the new exchange are not yet known, no defined deadlines for the
transfer can be provided at this time. Seller is limited to do this
with best effort and will keep buyers and escrows informed about the
status.

On top of the transfer handled over the new exchange, seller will
attempt to reach agreement with friedcat to split his position
according to the sale and move them to bilateral contracts between
buyers and friedcat directly and get their shares assigned to them
before the exchange launches. Success solely depends on friedcat
and can not be guaranteed.

8) Dividends
Buyers are entitled for all ASICMINER dividends. Share transfer is
scheduled to finalize before the first dividend is paid. Any dividends
paid for any reason to seller shall be forwarded in full to the buyers
at their following addresses:
 PM.6        1AXKZp4KU4tA4yPoFtHQPHoUi2DmWgHdEd
 ghostshirt  1ZKrazKLvfxNCYqk4BbboxiPonB9U3Pwh
 Vezunchik   1AkZFPx76RWEEpojMj5RvGDDesZxPazVdF
 LainZ       1Bgu2w4vBTXDDkpWkjAeomVnRRYASnCaJV
 asnonmous   12mwAvJywtQF5rJXHzdBQd4yq8EVD7NZqX

9) Clearance
Escrowed funds will be released to seller after buyers approval of
* transfer of shares to their account
* receipt of their dividends (if any happened before transfer)

Seller's address for this deal is 16CV4ktaWSp9TjEt2Wf4MMDhYbYi4TKXGc
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3311  Economy / Goods / Re: BTC awareness on: February 21, 2013, 11:24:48 AM
what does CHASING PAPER mean?
+1  Huh
3312  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: $29 HIGH! on: February 20, 2013, 02:27:24 PM
Read this subforum please. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0)
3313  Economy / Lending / Re: Need 5 btc loan request - will repay 8 btc in 4 days. on: February 20, 2013, 01:47:41 PM
well this isnt a scam attempt. I did say i will give all my personal informationa nd confirm it first.
This might not be a scam attempt, but the risks involved like your actual inability to repay or another case of stolen identity deters would be loaners.

it costs 4.something for a sellers account, the rest was for free postage.

If your not going to help dont post.

If YOU aren't going to do your leg work, don't post. I refuse to help lazy people that won't make an effort. I nor anyone here owes you squat.
lazy? how?

There shouldnt even be a lending section on this forum anyway... all the threads get thrashed all the time.

If you read around, threads that get thrashed get the thrashing for a good reason. Find me where a reputable person looking for a loan is 'thrashed'. There is always people with spare BTC to invest, but most do it discreetly and wisely. A week-old member getting a loan is passe and belongs to when the community were a couple of years old. I'm glad to see that everyone has wisened up now.
3314  Economy / Lending / Re: i need a loan on: February 20, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
I locked the thread.
3315  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER AUCTION 2000 sahres. on: February 20, 2013, 06:01:39 AM
Okay, I'm willing to forward my confirmation e-mail (Oct 24th) to John now as long has be will agree to a short NDA and basically can only say that YES or NO the shares were confirmed.

I will PM a request for his e-email.


I have obtained the forwarded mail from Chaang Noi, and yes, the shares are confirmed on the email.
3316  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER: board seat (equivalent of 5000 shares) for sale on: February 20, 2013, 01:49:31 AM
-----BEGIN-SIGNATURE-BLOCK-------------------------------------
Address:    1CuNd5n42cfqDz8SPVLSRsGHk2tLcHVMGh
Message:    "I control this address -John 2013-Feb-20 09:42am"
PublicKey:  04ef22b5c4cd9b58f39c8d1216bbb09a44ae5bf8448bc46432
            bd883d4120ade60939318db80d6018b02f33407ff4b8091e89
            ad0d569747570964848f98448c9ce5
-----END-SIGNATURE-BLOCK---------------------------------------

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

For the safety of the users involved, I am changing my wallet address to a paper wallet which is backed up physically at 3 different locations.

The new address: 1CuNd5n42cfqDz8SPVLSRsGHk2tLcHVMGh

There should be no alterations to the addresses in the near future.

Thank you.

John

20 Feb 2013
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PS: I still control the past address. My utmost apologies for the hassle caused.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

1) Purpose
This contract regulates the finalization of the ASICMINER auction in
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142038.0

2) Buyers
 PM.6        100 @ 0.45
 ghostshirt  200 @ 0.45
 Vezunchik   100 @ 0.45
 LainZ       100 @ 0.45
 asnonmous  5000 @ 0.44 (including 500 from board chair option)

3) Seller
Shares are sold by user zefir. They are currently held directly by
friedcat as a PGP-signed lock-in contract.

4) Escrow
Graet and John (johnthedong) will escrow the transactions. Buyers
decided whom to choose, resulting in the following transaction plan:
 PM.6        45 BTC to 1EEFt1JqyTuTEsGHERJj58QcYb72BaPeTj (Graet)
 ghostshirt  90 BTC to 15A8ztRxjnHud6unJi3dLpB9bLGdXVxAyg (Graet)
 Vezunchik   45 BTC to 1hnvX9pA6eSZPfGEaLHR1RHM6RE82yUox  (Graet)
 LainZ       45 BTC to 18AfJDFimnxRCbK4JbzqdHm1SigCySYT3p (Graet)
 asnonmous 2200 BTC to 1BCC3BogQ2LmWJ4PWgLw8B9qAbWRmSZyD7 (John)

Payment shall be made from an address that the buyer fully controls,
i.e. is in possession of the private key, so the escrow in case of
disputes and cancellation can return the funds to sender.

5) Activation
This contract will be posted in the auction thread and changes its
status to active when both escrows and the seller digitally sign it,
either by PGP or Bitcoin address signature.

6) Acceptance
After activation (i.e. the time when all three signatures from point
5. were posted), the buyers accept this contract by sending their
respective payments to the escrow addresses given in 4. They are
given three days (72h + 12h time zone margin) to finalize the trans-
action in full. Failing so, their deal status changes to canceled.

7) Share Transfer
ASICMINER is going to have its private exchange that is scheduled to
go online before the first dividend payment is processed. As soon as
it launches, buyers need to open an account and provide all required
data to seller to initiate a transfer of shares. Since the details
of the new exchange are not yet known, no defined deadlines for the
transfer can be provided at this time. Seller is limited to do this
with best effort and will keep buyers and escrows informed about the
status.

On top of the transfer handled over the new exchange, seller will
attempt to reach agreement with friedcat to split his position
according to the sale and move them to bilateral contracts between
buyers and friedcat directly and get their shares assigned to them
before the exchange launches. Success solely depends on friedcat
and can not be guaranteed.

Cool Dividends
Buyers are entitled for all ASICMINER dividends. Share transfer is
scheduled to finalize before the first dividend is paid. Any dividends
paid for any reason to seller shall be forwarded in full to the buyers
at their following addresses:
 PM.6        1AXKZp4KU4tA4yPoFtHQPHoUi2DmWgHdEd
 ghostshirt  1ZKrazKLvfxNCYqk4BbboxiPonB9U3Pwh
 Vezunchik   1AkZFPx76RWEEpojMj5RvGDDesZxPazVdF
 LainZ       TBD as part of a side agreement
 asnonmous   1CuNd5n42cfqDz8SPVLSRsGHk2tLcHVMGh

9) Clearance
Escrowed funds will be released to seller after buyers approval of
* transfer of shares to their account
* receipt of their dividends (if any happened before transfer)

Seller's address for this deal is 16CV4ktaWSp9TjEt2Wf4MMDhYbYi4TKXGc
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32)

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+qBGCIOelnV9AeJh0WCZ
=OPQ7
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The contract is agreed except asnonmous's escrow address, where I altered it to the newest revision.
3317  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BITINSTANT IS SCAMMING!!!!!! THEY ARE KEEPING PEOPLES MONEY AND COVERING IT UP on: February 19, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145122.0

I'd hardly call this civil.
3318  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER AUCTION 2000 sahres. on: February 19, 2013, 04:53:40 PM

The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
Quote
or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
Quote
Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed.
If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.

I have the confirmation in e-mail. I guess the question is do you trust me enough and how long do you think it will take Friedcat.   Honestly I would rather not sell the shares than to risk it sitting in escrow forever. You do not have to buy. You can walk away and no one will judge you.

Honestly I do not mind keeping the shares and if I wanted to sell them to someone else I'm sure I can find a buyer.

However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

Thanks.



That should be pretty conclusive as the email headers and the content would be a quite good proof.
3319  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER AUCTION 2000 sahres. on: February 19, 2013, 04:43:21 PM

The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed.
If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.
Hmm.. that's a good point. Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.
3320  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Deposit to SR. How long to register? on: February 19, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
Pop the address to blockchain.info and check the amount of confirmations. From a reply above, I assume that it'll need 6 confirmations to have it show up.
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