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3301  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | The Most Popular Bitcoin Game | 1% Edge | Active Chat | Free BTC on: December 04, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
.... you feel i cheated you or what? i dont understand how primedice can be provably fair and pvp not, it is clear that they use the same system.

This confuses me too?!

"To create roll numbers for PVP, the same process described above is used with a minor change. The server seed is your seed and the opponents seed is the client seed."

This means that if the last person is the house, they could cheat. Because they know already the opponent's seed and could generate an own seed that have a favorable outcome. My guess is that you couldn't be cheated if you are last to act and already see the HASH of the opponent's seed (is that possible? or you never see any hash?)

Either way, I personally do not think PD cheats. But it is right to say PVP is not really provably fair. I personally don't know a real solution to it.

i am reasonably confident that both of us were challenging and accepting during our betting sessions, so I was not consistently last to act. I did not consider this possibility. How would an oponent be able to see what seed i have set? even in theory?


paste the bet id on chat and you can see what seed he is using. or you can look it up on https://pd3.co/ if you have any of his previous bet id (can be seen on all bets)

do pvp bets have IDs?

no but if he had made any normal bets and you happen to catch the bet on 'all bets' , you can see his seed.
but then , theres - ### behind the seed. so i guess it's not easy to know what is someones current seed

PvP seed is different than ur seed on other bets. So u can't know ur opponents seed unless he tells u .


Thanks for the clarification Micro
3302  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | The Most Popular Bitcoin Game | 1% Edge | Active Chat | Free BTC on: December 04, 2014, 11:32:11 AM
.... you feel i cheated you or what? i dont understand how primedice can be provably fair and pvp not, it is clear that they use the same system.

This confuses me too?!

"To create roll numbers for PVP, the same process described above is used with a minor change. The server seed is your seed and the opponents seed is the client seed."

This means that if the last person is the house, they could cheat. Because they know already the opponent's seed and could generate an own seed that have a favorable outcome. My guess is that you couldn't be cheated if you are last to act and already see the HASH of the opponent's seed (is that possible? or you never see any hash?)

Either way, I personally do not think PD cheats. But it is right to say PVP is not really provably fair. I personally don't know a real solution to it.

i am reasonably confident that both of us were challenging and accepting during our betting sessions, so I was not consistently last to act. I did not consider this possibility. How would an oponent be able to see what seed i have set? even in theory?


paste the bet id on chat and you can see what seed he is using. or you can look it up on https://pd3.co/ if you have any of his previous bet id (can be seen on all bets)

do pvp bets have IDs?

no but if he had made any normal bets and you happen to catch the bet on 'all bets' , you can see his seed.
but then , theres - ### behind the seed. so i guess it's not easy to know what is someones current seed
3303  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | The Most Popular Bitcoin Game | 1% Edge | Active Chat | Free BTC on: December 04, 2014, 11:29:30 AM
Like how 'Robbinhood' knew the outcome of the next roll, its not hard for the house to know yours too. cheers.
Robinhood is hacker when PD is ddos. I think he give shell to PD to exploit PD seed.. and generate... Very intelligent.. But very black hat  @@

That's what we are assuming but we have to wait for Stunna's official remark to know what really happened
3304  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | The Most Popular Bitcoin Game | 1% Edge | Active Chat | Free BTC on: December 04, 2014, 11:25:01 AM
.... you feel i cheated you or what? i dont understand how primedice can be provably fair and pvp not, it is clear that they use the same system.

This confuses me too?!

"To create roll numbers for PVP, the same process described above is used with a minor change. The server seed is your seed and the opponents seed is the client seed."

This means that if the last person is the house, they could cheat. Because they know already the opponent's seed and could generate an own seed that have a favorable outcome. My guess is that you couldn't be cheated if you are last to act and already see the HASH of the opponent's seed (is that possible? or you never see any hash?)

Either way, I personally do not think PD cheats. But it is right to say PVP is not really provably fair. I personally don't know a real solution to it.

i am reasonably confident that both of us were challenging and accepting during our betting sessions, so I was not consistently last to act. I did not consider this possibility. How would an oponent be able to see what seed i have set? even in theory?


paste the bet id on chat and you can see what seed he is using. or you can look it up on https://pd3.co/ if you have any of his previous bet id (can be seen on all bets)
3305  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you trust DuckDuckGo? on: December 04, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
duckduckgo was created by the NSA.. duh ...
3306  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: December 04, 2014, 11:08:21 AM
Ho Mai Gawd .... i know where im retiring now..
3307  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin Cake in Pakistan on: December 04, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
i love cakes... i love it more since its bitcoin related ... kudos
3308  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | The Most Popular Bitcoin Game | 1% Edge | Active Chat | Free BTC on: December 04, 2014, 10:58:42 AM
Like how 'Robbinhood' knew the outcome of the next roll, its not hard for the house to know yours too. cheers.
3309  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | The Most Popular Bitcoin Game | 1% Edge | Active Chat | Free BTC on: December 04, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
Nicely done  Grin     -beta1
3310  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] STEAM GAMES (Valve Complete Pack 15$) - Exploration Sale FOR BTC/WMZ on: December 04, 2014, 07:38:07 AM
His online status on Steam client is inconsistent.
But besides that, he always delivers.

So OP, would appreciate it if you could stay online when there's an ongoing deal. TQ
I think he actually does everything on his phone an not on a computer so that's probably why he goes offline.

yup exactly.. have had many deals with him.. no problem so far .
3311  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Martingale Experiment - 0.5BTC into 1BTC on: December 04, 2014, 05:32:19 AM
Would love to see it done on Primedice ! Cheers . Good write up

Thanks Smiley I will look into that next

Can't wait. Will wait for updates
3312  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] STEAM GAMES (Valve Complete Pack 15$) - Exploration Sale FOR BTC/WMZ on: December 04, 2014, 02:26:12 AM
His online status on Steam client is inconsistent.
But besides that, he always delivers.

So OP, would appreciate it if you could stay online when there's an ongoing deal. TQ
3313  Economy / Gambling / Re: [dicenow.com] btc/ltc casino - 10,000 rolls/click - play/invest - 20btc+ maxbet on: December 04, 2014, 02:08:49 AM
scammers.

Would you care to elaborate?

Just some degen and poor guy who lost the bits that he earn so hard by begging around from forum giveaways.

anyway to work around the lag mate ?
3314  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Martingale Experiment - 0.5BTC into 1BTC on: December 04, 2014, 01:56:16 AM
I wrote a follow up blog here: http://www.coingamblingreviews.com/bitcoin-martingale-experiment/

Maybe I could do the Bitcoin Martingale test on all Bitcoin gambling sites?! Could be fun!  Grin

Would love to see it done on Primedice ! Cheers . Good write up
3315  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Martingale Experiment - 0.5BTC into 1BTC on: December 03, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
There isn't any . It's all luck
3316  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Martingale Experiment - 0.5BTC into 1BTC on: December 03, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
Good going there mate :  )
3317  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Martingale Experiment - 0.5BTC into 1BTC on: December 03, 2014, 07:24:44 AM
Best of luck to you ... martingale is a really bad idea.  Grin
3318  Economy / Collectibles / Re: "Mazuma" 8 inch Physical Bitcoin on: December 03, 2014, 04:28:28 AM
Oh my god such beautiful piece of creation  Shocked
3319  Economy / Gambling / Re: Would you play this game? on: December 03, 2014, 03:56:47 AM
definitely not ...  Sad
3320  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] STEAM GAMES (Valve Complete Pack 15$) - Exploration Sale FOR BTC/WMZ on: December 02, 2014, 07:31:00 AM

payment sent

e6f3694556df3aa91a6581d31126fe06ef642c6566e0f9a420b50e9fe71a86e5
Done.

Took awhile, but glad it went through. tq
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