@generalisethis - parasite is accurate. The mathematics of the financial system is very similar to the parasite-host, and that of the predator-prey systems. There are some important additional factors: whether the parasite adds any survival advantage to the system; and whether the system we have converges to a bad equilibrium. The present financial system resembles "Monopoly" too closely. Society relies too much on the ability and sophistication of the political system as arbiters of coercion. When the political system is pwned by the monetary system the parasite becomes the host. We rely on the kindness of sociopaths, of the kakistocracy, as promoted by this system, for our survival. So, do not rush to judge Greece, or Germany. Had the Greek parliament decided that chaos was better than the prospects of a "bailout" we might have gained some insights and answers while watching from what we hope is a safe distance. As for the eternal question Qui Bono? see also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xu5sTyAXyAo#t=526It is interesting that Ireland will pay billions for decades in a modern form of Danegeld and only a select few insiders aware of the flow. Expect the flow to increase until it can no longer be hid. In Delueze's model, the fringes (the schizo-borders no "normal" man would or could cross) reteritorialize the blocks of the imploding towers, the golden cities, the to-big-to-fail megaplexes built on the last breathes of capitalism--these fringes consolidate resources and build the new state(s) while the old guard marches round the dying tower's doors making sure nothing gets in or out, never realizing that the transference is happening below and all their effort is wasted and most likely accelerates the demise of the dying tower. Assume this is correct--i do.  The question becomes, "Where are the fringes? Where is the new growth happening from below? How can I gauge these reteritorializations? And why don't I add reteritorialization to my spell check and save myself some time?  I would say that governments that keep going to corporations to solve problems: prisons, hospitals, education, ect, are sidestepping and allowing the more efficient link from corporation to consumer (how parasitic is this link would need some benchmark analysis to answer less philosophically, more analytically). How long does this transference last? Can the state survive? Was the idea of a physical border (the physical state) keeping us safe(r) demolished on 9/11? |
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Seriously wtf is this forum becoming, its 4chan full of trolls and spammer. Stop this shit spam. There are already ongoing monero Threads, GO POST IT THERE NO NEED FOR A NEW THREAD FOR EVERY NEW COMMENT!
If this is your marketing strategy then you better stop it cus it aint working.
What's a monero? A digital unit of privacy equal to cash. |
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They keep telling you to go short Monero on Polo, isn't interest is what destroying many lives Worldwide? how many ppl lost their homes because they can not afford to pay their loans back to banks and they become homeless or lower their living standards, lost their business to banks or items like cars? isn't this why many people are staying away from PoS coins? what if my belief forbids me for using any types of interest? Look at who is supporting Monero Truecryptonaire someone who was saying sell few weeks ago and how bad Monero as an investment is, and when he bought back now he's pushing everyone towards Monero so probably he can one day surprise everyone again I sold and this is why u should too! iCEBREAKER he's name is Eduardo deCastro a known scammer https://hashfastscam.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/scam-starts-at-the-top-with-ceo-of-hashfast/ also trying so hard to push every one else buttons so he can make even more money. Smooth A no good developer cries about other real developers and how they need to go to jail while he is a copy cat who does not know anything about crytpo except to Cry*p*to about it in forums on how useless of a wanna be developer he is. I'll gladly keep company with any of these guys especially considering who is hanging around dash--take your concern troll routine back to the dash thread and clean your own house. |
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Peter Todd is right. DASH is a joke. No serious cryptography expert endorses it over Monero and cryptonote
And? No serious cryptography expert would endorse Monero and cryptonote over the plethora of over options. This just boils down to the old "my shit is better than their shit" argument. Wow. You're seriously uninformed. Nope, just saying that both DRK/DASH and XMR are two equally shitty coins in a boxing match over who is supposedly the least shitty. Stupidity is Willful ignorance. Reread the post. Peter Todd calls Monero, "genuine crypto" in the initial post and "good crypto" in a later post. Nowhere does he call it shitty, bad, or any other negative word. So unless you are saying you know more than Peter about what makes a cryptocurrency good, you should sit down. Did I say Peter Todd called Monero shitty? I don't think I did. Just because Peter Todd says Monero is good, doesn't make it good. It's more likely that XMR will have a good run, hell it will certainly have a better run than the majority of coins produced. But does this mean XMR isn't a shitcoin? No, in fact it'll be reduced to the same level as DRK/DASH and all of the other "anonymous" coins as soon as something better comes out. The bolded part implies that Peter's comments were only representative of his opinion of dash vs. monero and not the coins overall. If this isn't what you meant, you need to write more clearly. If it does, you are incorrect as i pointed out. Your backtracking to all anon coins will be replaced therefore all anon coins are shitty is absurd--it is the equivalent of saying all sports cars are shitty because they will be replaced by newer sports cars one day. If i want the best anonymity/privacy today, your generalized judgement would have me waiting for eternity as something better will always come along. Thankfully I'm smart enough to get the best anonymity today and will get the best anonymity a year from now--if it changes--when it is available a year from now. |
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Peter Todd is right. DASH is a joke. No serious cryptography expert endorses it over Monero and cryptonote
And? No serious cryptography expert would endorse Monero and cryptonote over the plethora of over options. This just boils down to the old "my shit is better than their shit" argument. Wow. You're seriously uninformed. Nope, just saying that both DRK/DASH and XMR are two equally shitty coins in a boxing match over who is supposedly the least shitty. Reread the post. Peter Todd calls Monero, "genuine crypto" in the initial post and "good crypto" in a later post. Nowhere does he call it shitty, bad, or any other negative word. So unless you are saying you know more than Peter about what makes a cryptocurrency good, you should sit down. |
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As someone who dislike both Dash and XMR, I find it hilarious that most people can only promote their supported coin by attacking the other.
Yes, it's called "marketing". Everyone wants to ride the coat tails of the market leader. LOL. Dash isn't anonymous, that was Peter's point. You're holding that anonymity spot for us. Keep it warm. |
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LOL, Let dash get the same morons from china they have from everywhere else. Those that do their homework will be rewarded by being here. No need to convince me why Monero is better than DASH. My point is that first mover advantage means something and we should fight for that advantage. If Monero can get listed on as many exchanges as DASH fairly soon and we position ourselves correctly the world will notice our superior tech and we can quickly gain market dominance. Remember VHS vs Beta? It is possible for superior tech to lose of the inferior tech (even if it is based on a mining scam like DASH) depending on the degree of market penetration the inferior tech can achieve early VHS and Beta both played movies. Monero provides anonymity, dash doesn't. |
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Here's a spin: a dasher planted that story so the faithful could be beguiled into believing that dash is anonymous. The logic-for-dummies being, "If pedo's use it, it must be anonymous!" Distraction is a tool of marketers and this one can be refuted later when the Todd comments blow over. |
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wow the trolls are back in full force, or is this just the beginning?
so many monero threads, please do not open any more..
Yeah seems trolls are having a field day... and it's not like Monero is rallying hard or whatever, weird. They have epic butthurt over Peter Todd's recent anti-Dash/pro-Monero tweets. iCEBREAKER constantly trolls the DASH/Darkcoin thread so if you are looking for someone to blame about being overrun by trolls he's the guy you need to thank. thanks for giving the monero community a bad name mr. iCEBREAKER. I'd post there less frequently if Monero wasn't "constantly" being brought up and lied about ("zomg did you know petertodd might be a moranero consultant that's hella lame bc they dont even hav a gui and its a total copy of bytecoin which does hav a gui, amirite?") "Constantly?" I don't think that word means what you think it means.  Would you like me to start constantly trolling the Dash thread, in order to demonstrate what that would actually look like? My belief is that they are trying to hide this and the pedo story by attacking Monero with reverse troll accounts. If we give them what they don't want, that would be best. They should have chosen another coin to use as a distraction. I would suggest a concentrated attack on the weakest position--Peter Todd's comment can't be refuted later and I'm sure he'll defend his comment if pressed. I think the pump (probably whales defending) is a nice touch to show the faithful how secure they are(n't). www.neurosciencemarketing.com/blog/articles/six-selling-secrets-from-magicians.htm |
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He forgot the part where Monero is a fork of Cryptonote and Risto instamined most of the coin. Looks like Operation Bribe was a complete success!
There are cryptonote forks which have more innovative than Monero.
Attacking Monero doesn't prove Dash any less snake oil, but thanks for providing proof of your real intent in regard to creating Monero spam threads. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126649.0 |
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I realize this is nothing new, but I feel it is relevant to the discussion, I have noticed a sharp rise in degenerate behaviour over the past 3 months which is adding fuel to big bang
Democracy has been described as four wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Unmoderated majority rule means that the mistakes, the ignorance and the prejudices of the majority will become law. Minorities will be devoured, and the resulting society will be one of enforced and fearful homogeneity.
Nietzsche’s philosophy contemplates the meaning of values and their significance to human existence. Given that no absolute values exist, in Nietzsche’s worldview, the evolution of values on earth must be measured by some other means. How then shall they be understood? The existence of a value presupposes a value-positing perspective, and values are created by human beings (and perhaps other value-positing agents) as aids for survival and growth. Because values are important for the well being of the human animal, because belief in them is essential to our existence, we oftentimes prefer to forget that values are our own creations and to live through them as if they were absolute. For these reasons, social institutions enforcing adherence to inherited values are permitted to create self-serving economies of power, so long as individuals living through them are thereby made more secure and their possibilities for life enhanced. Nevertheless, from time to time the values we inherit are deemed no longer suitable and the continued enforcement of them no longer stands in the service of life. To maintain allegiance to such values, even when they no longer seem practicable, turns what once served the advantage to individuals to a disadvantage, and what was once the prudent deployment of values into a life denying abuse of power. When this happens the human being must reactivate its creative, value-positing capacities and construct new values.
[Epicurus] regarded the unacknowledged fear of death and punishment as the primary cause of anxiety among human beings, and anxiety in turn as the source of extreme and irrational desires.
As capitalism marches off the plank of zero marginal costs, what happens to physical value? Are we simply going to replace physical trading of assets for stuff with trading non-physical assets for non-physical values such as someone plunking down $200 dollars for a Spartan race or a tuff mudder(literally signing a death waiver and risking being burned, electrocuted, and even making good on that death waiver) just so they can put up pics online and share their accomplishment with their friends? Rats in a maze paying tolls... Capitalism is dead and we're all scared shitless so we keep running around the track playing the "remember when?" game. What replaces this system? We don't have a choice, but identifying it early and understanding its workings offers more insight and advantage than talking politely at the wake or discussing who was mentioned in the will. I'll say territorial governments will be cannibalized by kinder-gentler (more efficient) corporations who will in turn be swallowed by more cost-efficient (zero-to negative* cost) DAC's. *negative costs (at least earthly ones) could be achieved by mining resources off-world--Blade runner had this world around 2019, maybe push it back 10-15 years and add DAC's instead of the pharaoh "overlord of AI." If you've read Nick Land's Meltdown and combine it with Blade Runner, I think you'd have my vision of what the future will look like--we lose to AI, but win, because we lose our humanity 'organic parts" in a slow-burn entry into godless eternity, heaven, hell--less borg, more darth vader with R2D2's knack for going full matrix. After awhile it becomes clear, "If you don't need an organic arm or a leg or face or liver or brain....." Boom, welcome to eternal-spirit-states live on a universally expanding network of ohms. Who says those God myths weren't good for anything? They've been building our subconscious towards this goal all along. |
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Hi everyone. Thanks for your responses thus far, especially the excellent answers from GingerAle and BinaryFate.
What are the variances in attitudes to the darkweb? To what extent is Monero exposed to criticism from the mainstream in regards to nefarious intent (tax evasion, money laundering, drugs, terrorism etc) in a way that Bitcoin is not? Is the libertarian argument enough to combat this? And if not, what are the implications of living under a Bitcoin dominated environment if pseudonymity is the only protection?
Also, please can I politely ask that we keep things on topic. This is a discussion about Bitcoin compared with Monero only - discussions about other coins should take place elsewhere if possible. Apologies if that wasn't clear - I've now changed the title of the thread accordingly.
I don't know about darkweb - don't really deal with it. Monero and mainstream aren't a thing yet. The "nefarious intent" component has not been explored by the mainstream. For whatever reasons, DASH (aka darkcoin) has more mainstream (well, at least cryptocurrency mainstream) exposure, so there might be some insights into "nefarious intent" with a cryptocurrency with privacy features. > the implications of living under a Bitcoin dominated environment if pseudonymity is the only protection? that was detailed in some of fluffypony's talk. But the implications are obvious and many - people tracking your money. Its big brothers / big marketing dream. I mean, its already done in our existing world, bitcoin just makes it unavoidable. Your company pays you in bitcoin and then they follow the money... the car dealer runs a "credit check" and can get a really really really really good estimate of how much money you actually have available. Its impossible to be pseudonymous in real life. You walk into a store and pay for something in bitcoin, owner now knows your address and face, etc. The view key answers this by letting you have the option of working with law enforcement and tax agencies. Most people don't want to break the law, and many who will use Monero will be more interested in having private and secure transactions for their business or personal affairs than buying drugs on the dark market. Monero is like cash and cash is both bad and good money--you need a currency to be able to both to be considered fungible. |
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There are few rich families in Finland. Lots of middle-class, but not so many rich families, not like in the US, UK, Switzerland, and the wee little places like Monoco.
Finland is like a more miserable version of Brave New World.
BUT ... mental illness is not something to be used as an advantage, especially the bold, red headline approach.
If we dismissed people out-of-hand because of their bouts with depression, mania, schizophrenia, then the world would lose a great collection of artist, mathematicians, philosophers, poets, musicians and trailblazers extraordinaire. Pushing your mind to dangerous and new places has never been for the feint of heart or for those who continually bend over backwards to stay within the unridiculed confines of the average, so appreciate the gifts of madness and the fruits of that dangerous labor. “Courage consists, however, in agreeing to flee rather than live tranquilly and hypocritically in false refuges. Values, morals, homelands, religions, and these private certitudes that our vanity and our complacency bestow generously on us, have many deceptive sojourns as the world arranges for those who think they are standing straight and at ease, among stable things” ― Gilles Deleuze, Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia |
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Or maybe they can try to bury the news by launching a reverse troll spam attack on Monero... The timing of these new accounts overposting Monero threads is conspicuous, as it is happening at the same time as this story and Peter Todd calling dash "snake oil." I guess you can pick your poison snake oil. |
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Maybe some newbie accounts or some reverse monero supporter shills should stop acting like the XMR Community opened these threads.... look at the XMR Ann thread and at the Monero Speculation Thread for those that are supporters ... i guarentee that you will not find anybody besides TC, icebreaker and maybe generalizethis...
This thread with another Newbie Account is just another sign some one has an agenda... wish there were IP Bans to stop most of Sock-Puppets at once...
Most likely this thread is started by blackcoin or darkcoin or whatever who are simply jelous over the superiority of Monero and they do not get the gospel it is preached here. Noodledoodle's commit psyched-up the faithful and psyched-out the heathens. I jk, though the commit is pretty fucking epic. First comes the datebase then comes the interface then comes Monerians flying into space |
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looks like Fluffy and Smooth didn't know what to do after copy pasting Byte lol because they still don't know how to create a GUI wallet
The Official GUI wallet exists in skeleton form. Progress will increase after DB is done. Sorry but to me it is absolutely embarrassing that Monero devs can't roll out a GUI wallet. It's bad enough most crypto wallets look like a visual basic app from the Windows 95 days, but one of the "leading" coins can't even roll that out in over a years time? I would think it would be a 2-day job at most based on what many other shitcoin developers manage to churn out every week. If they think it is some kind of "statement" to be concentrating on the backend first it's a really lame one. Well at least you know if it were a scam, the Devs would have rolled out some simple GUI to gather the most sheep in the shortest amount of time. Instead they are creating an enterprise level (scalable) GUI, so sorry if it takes more time to create than a Fast and Furious sequel. Of course all this already known to anyone willing to do their homework: https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials/190/editorial-why-is-the-official-gui-wallet-not-released-yet |
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the monero propaganda works only for total noobs and some desperate soul of this boards, we all know it
serious and smart users / investors know how the situation really is and the actual value of the coin
So you are saying that Risto isn't a serious and smart user/investor? Or maybe Gmaxwell is a moron for having a Monero address on his profile page? Or maybe you are saying the most vocal of all bitcoiners, American Pegasus, doesn't have a clue about backing new tech? |
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I think it would be better if monero folks stop spamming Bitcoin forum !
Some of them aren't monero folks. Reverse troll engineering. |
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