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3361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MASSIVE, ILLICIT BUST OF EDWARD SNOWDEN STUCK TO A WAR MONUMENT IN BROOKLYN on: April 08, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
If not for your post, I would have completely missed this occurrence. Thanks for posting. The guys that pulled this off are awesome.
3362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: cop shoots man in the back on: April 08, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
cop's saying the guy took his taser and shot him with it, evidence still looks pretty daming either way


I'm sure the cop would say anything to cover his ass, shooting that guy running away in the back is one of the most cowardly things I've ever seen. There's no way the cop could have felt threatened it that situation, at very most he could have fired just a warning shot.

The worst part is if the bystander didn't come forward with the video, this cop would have gotten away with murder. He was only charged because video showed his version of the events to be fabricated.

Body cams. Every cop, no exceptions.
3363  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Bible... on: April 08, 2015, 06:40:00 PM

Thats why some people got crazy by reading the bible there are so flaws in it. You would read other passages that contradicts the other.

There are no flaws in the Bible. The flaws are in the people... especially the people who look for flaws in the Bible.

Smiley

I can agree with this.
Bible is really very special and unique book, written through very long period of time- over 1000 years, with over 40 writers etc.
Still, it seems this book is is very consistent and logically arranged, Some believe by certain mathematical principles and rules.
This is already miracle by itself.


My high school algebra book was also very consistent and logically arranged by certain mathematical principles and rules.

It must be holy too!
3364  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Government Surveillance and Edward Snowden on: April 08, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
Video isn't available in my country bullshit. How long is the interview with Snowden? I might just download the episode if it worthwhile seeing.

Will Snowden really come back to US? Isn't he afraid?
I doubt he will ever come back which is pretty sad. He was labeled a traitor by the government so coming back would not be in his best interest.

Being labeled a traitor is the least of his worries. It's being tried as one that he probably has no interest as he's almost certainly going to get found guilty and locked away for a very long time.

There is zero chance he gets a fair trial, and let's consider for a moment how fast democrats and republicans alike lined up to crucify him in the immediate aftermath. Snowden leaked documents for the overall good of the nation, to force the government to have the debate over this power it granted itself in the public sphere - which it most certainly was not going to do voluntarily, as it demonstrated itself by keeping it secret.

Compare the rhetoric against Snowden with the treatment of Petraeus, who got a sweetheart plea deal for leaking classified information - not for the good of the nation, but to impress his mistress and for his own glorification (she was writing his biography) - and realize that Snowden is an outsider and that's why the government will try to hang him, while Petraeus - an insider - gets off with a laughable slap on the wrist.

Disgusting.

Petraeus Plea Deal: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/03/david-petraeus-paula-broadwell/24312109/
3365  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Libertarianism growing? on: April 07, 2015, 07:16:04 PM
[snip bullshit comment]



80% "libertarian" vote went to Romney. Lol.
3366  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 147 killed in attack on Kenyan university dormitories by al-Shabab on: April 07, 2015, 04:09:35 PM
What a tragedy... these people only are in school trying to learn and better their world.

Well you can also argue that all the Christians they have been killing have been doing no harm to other religions and are only following their own religion. But even then a lot of Christians have been murdered irrespective of them being a child or an adult.

Why is there any need to make an argument??
If Christians did the same thing in the past, does that mean this is justified?

Why is it that whenever there are attacks by Islamic groups, there are people defending their deeds by saying Christians did this this in the past? Why is this the only counter argument? Why can't they just say that this is wrong?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not a justification or a defense when people point that out, but a reminder that all religions are the same, in case one religious group is trying to claim moral superiority to pass judgement on other religious groups.
3367  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 05, 2015, 06:10:44 PM
^ lol and how many centuries later was that? xD
Israel still has a lot of time then if that is your view.

I think it's impossible for there to be peace. Both sides claim the land, both sides are willing to kill to have it, and both sides claim their right to the land is from their god. The problem is, there were people living there before Judaism and Islam became prominent, so I don't recognize either of them as having a more legitimate claim to the land over the other, and even less so when their justification is "because my god said so."

I don't think the problem is they claim the right to the land comes from somewhere else.
The problem is people already live in the land of the occupied territories and Israel keeps building more settlements there and expelling the Palestinians.
And I think the official position of the Palestinians is they accept the two state solution, but Israel doesn't and doesn't give any alternative. They just say they are negotiating, and keep on building more settlements and making the situation worse. : /

Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding was that Israel was "the promised land" that their god promised his "chosen people." That is how they justify the expelling of the Palestinians in 1947. Correct me if I do not have this correct.

Maybe that is the way they justified it at the time, but the truth is they also need a land to live in, and they have other concerns too like security.
I don't think it means there can't be peace and that someone must be expelled, but I think other problems are the source and not religion.

They were all living some place before they came back and carved Israel out of Palestine. It doesn't have to be where it is now, but it is because they believe their god promised this land to them. Religion is the root cause. They don't want to live anywhere, they want to live on the magic land.

But they can live (the two population) in one land, the problem is they want to "find" common rules for live together in that land (call you as you like, palestine or israel). All we are world citizen, or am I wrong?

Ah, but you see? You and I might agree we are all world citizens, but we have a different viewpoint. We may identify as humans first, the same as all others. Tribal identity clouds this. People who identify with a tribe create barriers to differentiate themselves with other people. "American" "British" "Russian" "Israeli" "Palestinian" "Arab" "Jew" "Christian" "Muslim"... all of these are classifications someone might identify with first, to differentiate themselves from anyone who is not part of their tribe. Tribal identity allows people to commit terrible acts, because you're not harming people like YOU, they're different or inferior, or any other mental gymnastics you have to do to justify terrible treatment to fellow human beings.

And speaking as an outsider, I can't understand the animosity and centuries worth of tensions that run between these two groups. It's different for me to look at this conflict and say "it looks stupid and why don't they all just stop killing." That's my stance, but it comes from being on the outside.
3368  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Alabama man off death row after 28 years to jailers: "you will answer to God" on: April 05, 2015, 05:59:22 PM
"When you think you are high and mighty and you are above the law, you don't have to answer to nobody. But I got news for them, everybody who played a part in sending me to death row, you will answer to God", Hinton said.


Too bad for him god doesn't exist so there's no justice there, but I don't understand how the US can still have a death penalty after all these mistakes (though morally it's not right any way). I often wonder how many innocent people have been murdered by the state. Does anyone know if people falsely imprisoned get any compensation at all? If so, how much do they get?

I'm sure there will be a settlement, there usually is in such instances, and it varies based on the details of every situation. Not that money can make up for losing 28 years of your life.
3369  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 04, 2015, 09:54:18 PM
^ lol and how many centuries later was that? xD
Israel still has a lot of time then if that is your view.

I think it's impossible for there to be peace. Both sides claim the land, both sides are willing to kill to have it, and both sides claim their right to the land is from their god. The problem is, there were people living there before Judaism and Islam became prominent, so I don't recognize either of them as having a more legitimate claim to the land over the other, and even less so when their justification is "because my god said so."

I don't think the problem is they claim the right to the land comes from somewhere else.
The problem is people already live in the land of the occupied territories and Israel keeps building more settlements there and expelling the Palestinians.
And I think the official position of the Palestinians is they accept the two state solution, but Israel doesn't and doesn't give any alternative. They just say they are negotiating, and keep on building more settlements and making the situation worse. : /

Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding was that Israel was "the promised land" that their god promised his "chosen people." That is how they justify the expelling of the Palestinians in 1947. Correct me if I do not have this correct.

Maybe that is the way they justified it at the time, but the truth is they also need a land to live in, and they have other concerns too like security.
I don't think it means there can't be peace and that someone must be expelled, but I think other problems are the source and not religion.

They were all living some place before they came back and carved Israel out of Palestine. It doesn't have to be where it is now, but it is because they believe their god promised this land to them. Religion is the root cause. They don't want to live anywhere, they want to live on the magic land.
3370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 04, 2015, 06:14:29 PM
I think it's impossible for there to be peace. Both sides claim the land, both sides are willing to kill to have it, and both sides claim their right to the land is from their god. The problem is, there were people living there before Judaism and Islam became prominent, so I don't recognize either of them as having a more legitimate claim to the land over the other, and even less so when their justification is "because my god said so."

I don't think the problem is they claim the right to the land comes from somewhere else.
The problem is people already live in the land of the occupied territories and Israel keeps building more settlements there and expelling the Palestinians.
And I think the official position of the Palestinians is they accept the two state solution, but Israel doesn't and doesn't give any alternative. They just say they are negotiating, and keep on building more settlements and making the situation worse. : /

Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding was that Israel was "the promised land" that their god promised his "chosen people." That is how they justify the expelling of the Palestinians in 1947. Correct me if I do not have this correct.
3371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World powers, Iran reach framework for nuke deal by June 30 on: April 04, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
I have nothing against them and their research program. They said it's only for the purpose of research and building power plants, so what is the problem? So many countries have nuclear weapons and are not willing to give them up, but trying to block others from making their own. We already had a war started because one country thought the other has nuclear missiles and it turned out they were wrong.


I have heard that also israel owns nuclear weapons, but I can't find the article where I have read that thing. Why the "World" isn't worried about israel but it is worried about iran? It doesn't make any sense... Correct me if I am wrong.

Because Iran's official policy is that Israel should not exist and has pledged repeatedly to wipe them off the map. That is why people who don't want them to have nuclear weapons don't want them to have them. Again, their official policy is the promised destruction of Israel. Governments that promise to destroy other countries if given the capabilities (e.g. North Korea, Iran) are countries you don't want to actually give the capability to do that.

Not defending, just explaining.

That's completely normal, given that Israel is constantly killing people in Gaza, and those people are Muslims, just like Iranians and Syrians.
I'm sure you've seen this picture. http://socialtextjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/palestine_category.jpeg

Until this expansion stops there will be more and more people dedicated to fighting Israel and sooner or later these people will get nuclear weapons. It's just a matter of time. Trying to stop the Iranians from building nuclear power plants is completely pointless. What if someone didn't allow you to have a metal workshop at home, because you might start making rifles?

This is an interesting point, jaysabi can I ask you from which country are you from ?



Because if your country would be invaded like Palestin I don't think you would be happy or am I wrong? However I have opened a thread :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0

you can discuss of what do you think about Palestine & israel. Now please stop here (use the other thread) thanks.

I'm playing devil's advocate, and I'm from the US. Just for the record, I'm more sympathetic to the Palestinians than the Israelis, however both sides shoulder so much blame in this conflict it's almost pointless trying to parse it out, but the Israeli's as the dominant military force and who unquestionably keep the Palestinians impoverished, definitely shoulder more of the blame for the current situation. I'll switch to the other thread.
3372  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World powers, Iran reach framework for nuke deal by June 30 on: April 04, 2015, 05:57:26 PM
I have nothing against them and their research program. They said it's only for the purpose of research and building power plants, so what is the problem? So many countries have nuclear weapons and are not willing to give them up, but trying to block others from making their own. We already had a war started because one country thought the other has nuclear missiles and it turned out they were wrong.


I have heard that also israel owns nuclear weapons, but I can't find the article where I have read that thing. Why the "World" isn't worried about israel but it is worried about iran? It doesn't make any sense... Correct me if I am wrong.

Because Iran's official policy is that Israel should not exist and has pledged repeatedly to wipe them off the map. That is why people who don't want them to have nuclear weapons don't want them to have them. Again, their official policy is the promised destruction of Israel. Governments that promise to destroy other countries if given the capabilities (e.g. North Korea, Iran) are countries you don't want to actually give the capability to do that.

Not defending, just explaining.

What if someone didn't allow you to have a metal workshop at home, because you might start making rifles?

Not the same analogy. If I said, "when I get a gun, I'm gonna kill my neighbors" you'd probably be apprehensive about me acquiring a gun, so you might not allow me to buy one. And when I say "Well then I'm gonna build my own rifle, and also, my neighbor has no right to live," then you'd be right to be nervous about me acquiring a rifle.
3373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Palestine & israel? What do you think about that situation? on: April 04, 2015, 05:51:25 PM
I think it's impossible for there to be peace. Both sides claim the land, both sides are willing to kill to have it, and both sides claim their right to the land is from their god. The problem is, there were people living there before Judaism and Islam became prominent, so I don't recognize either of them as having a more legitimate claim to the land over the other, and even less so when their justification is "because my god said so."
3374  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 04, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
born in Isreal we are forbidden to communicate with muslims, many things goes down here

You're forbidden to communicate with Muslims? By who? I've never heard of this before.

By the government and the MOSAD that would stalk the shit out of you if you do.

By the government? Then there is a law you can provide to prove this? Excuse my skepticism, but there's a lot of BS in this thread, and I'm trying to discern fact from bias.
3375  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World powers, Iran reach framework for nuke deal by June 30 on: April 04, 2015, 02:51:39 PM
I have nothing against them and their research program. They said it's only for the purpose of research and building power plants, so what is the problem? So many countries have nuclear weapons and are not willing to give them up, but trying to block others from making their own. We already had a war started because one country thought the other has nuclear missiles and it turned out they were wrong.


I have heard that also israel owns nuclear weapons, but I can't find the article where I have read that thing. Why the "World" isn't worried about israel but it is worried about iran? It doesn't make any sense... Correct me if I am wrong.

Because Iran's official policy is that Israel should not exist and has pledged repeatedly to wipe them off the map. That is why people who don't want them to have nuclear weapons don't want them to have them. Again, their official policy is the promised destruction of Israel. Governments that promise to destroy other countries if given the capabilities (e.g. North Korea, Iran) are countries you don't want to actually give the capability to do that.

Not defending, just explaining.
3376  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France plane crash: No survivors expected [Condolences to the families] on: April 04, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
So now we have to worry about the guys on our side as well as the terrorists.

This is a far fringe concern. People who want to commit suicide generally don't participate in mass murder in the process, and whatever concern this warrants has already been solved with all the airlines announcing no pilot will ever be in the cockpit alone anymore.
...and this is the era of the far fringe.... in the minds of chicken littles everywhere.

 Roll Eyes
3377  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 03, 2015, 08:53:12 PM
born in Isreal we are forbidden to communicate with muslims, many things goes down here

You're forbidden to communicate with Muslims? By who? I've never heard of this before.
3378  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 147 killed in attack on Kenyan university dormitories by al-Shabab on: April 03, 2015, 08:43:11 PM
The religion of peace.


Islam Religion is such a poison it isnt even funny.



FTFY
3379  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Leaders Debate UK Election 2015 on: April 03, 2015, 07:31:34 PM
Should send them link to this thread Smiley

They'd just ignore it, in Britain, if you try to protest peacefully you're a nuisance or a crazy person, if you try to actually do something about a problem, you're a terrorist. That's what happened with this whole debate, it was all because Cameron didn't want to face his critics even within the establishment so rather than have a real debate and take them on he reduced it to one incredibly boring and scripted one instead.

I'm sorry, you're not standing in a Free Speech Zone when you criticize the government, so you have to go to jail now...
3380  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France plane crash: No survivors expected [Condolences to the families] on: April 03, 2015, 04:30:47 PM
So now we have to worry about the guys on our side as well as the terrorists.

This is a far fringe concern. People who want to commit suicide generally don't participate in mass murder in the process, and whatever concern this warrants has already been solved with all the airlines announcing no pilot will ever be in the cockpit alone anymore.
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