It's 24 gigahash per second it looks. like...
So basically Josh <cough> took responsibility for <cough> a design that is equivalent to 1 Avalon module system? I feel a bit skeptical....I think it has to be a put on...or a joke of some kind. I find it pretty hard to believe that the Single SC is drawing almost the same electrical power as one Avalon Hashing module and producing roughly the same hashing rate. At 65nm they did that while the Avalon team did this at 110nm. If this isn't a joke, then man, the ineptitude is all that much more "Epic". Imagine what the Avalon team will do when they get down to a 65nm process node.... |
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All right, BFL.. I probably won't have to ask you to do this.. but. Can you please fuck up one more time until I get my Avalon II?
jk. GG.
Isn't that a given? |
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If you haven't pulled your money by now, it is probably already too late....
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Sebastian.....
How much is BFL paying you?
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I guess they are working to create their own charity organsation fastly to give to themself...  After the refunds they will get, they might as well call themselves a charity. |
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Missing their power target means the minirig won't run on a standard house plug, which has a 15 amp breaker.
It also means the Jalapeņo won't run on 2 USB 2.0 ports, as was planned. I guess it might stand a better chance of keeping keeping your coffee warm though, so hey, it's not all bad, right? You sir, are one astute observer. I had exactly the same thought. Unless they give the Jalapeno's the best chips, there is no real way to ship that particular product and use one USB port. |
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I dunno, 100k USD (or 1000 BTC) is pretty hefty. I bet now he will have to convert USD to BTC (right?)
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Yay! they are not a scam at least. This means they'll eventually ship a product.
fyi: we reached that stage 1.2 month before we shipped. Let's see how they handle their remainder issues.
Someday you should let your customer know just how the development of the Avalon device had to go through to get to this point. I wouldn't mind hearing the backstory of how it came together. |
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Im confused....
Now, Im not that versed in power circuitry ... but how the hell can the PCB power circuitry design be so shitty that the board itself is using nearly 2x the power than the chip? iirc the SC was supposed to be like 60watts right? The whole unit is using 150ish .. how the fuck can the board be using 90watts?!?!?
Did some noob engineer design the board or some shit? I mean really.
April fools? |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *dies*
So they've tested that the board can handle the data. They are still to:
Actually have a chip
Actually make the chip work
Actually bin the chip
Sort out the communication protocols, never mind proper USB interfaces etc
Get the power consumption down to ANYTHING near what they promised
Actually make it hash
Actually make it hash to the required speed
Actually make it hash consistently
Actually make it hashable 24/7
Actually prevent it overheating [That's 160W TDP on the equivalent of a dual slot GPU, which would typically warrant ~40CFM - they have 0, AND will be placing many in a an enclosed case]
Work out how to do the power distribution
Make the shit fit in the cases.
Work out sufficient testing algorithms and the logistics of burning in '300 units a day'
Sort out the logistics of labelling, warranties, who gets what.
Actually deliver anything that works for more than a few days.
ETA 5 months, GG.
The red part... That is what I thought about when Inaba/Josh used to gloat about it's size. The funny pics of the FPGA were interesting with the fans beneath... But on another point...anyone noticed that the heat sink was seemingly the aluminum one (for Mini-Single) and not the other variety of copper type the Single SC ASIC has. I played this twice and I noticed that the person (Josh?) behind the camera fails to mention which rig this is. From the aluminum I am going to guess it is a Mini-Single @ 160watts. Add a PC and you've got 300 watts. Does this imply the Single will be twice as hot with it's copper heat-sink? Now we have a clue as to the reason for the silence.....------------------ As for the blue...I think the Mini-rigs are going to need quite a few power outlets if that is the case. |
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42W at idle? Good lawd. My x6500 FPGAs only burns up 17.2W at full load...
Didn't they like...put a dummy load in place of the ASIC chips and actually test these boards or something while they were waiting on chip delivery?
I guess not.
It was the engineering teams fault for not thinking of it? |
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Great. They are now in the prototype stage.
LOL The guy in the video sounds like an apologetic scam artist....where do I know his voice from? 42 at idle and 160watt at full crank? Sounds like they missed their power targets if you ask me.... Just like the FPGA launch.... I don't remember hearing the guy say how many GH/s it was doing. |
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You should take a look at BFL forums.
Their forums have "magical" FanBoi's that have less than 5 posts and all fully support BFL. Of course they are probably just BFL employess abusing the hell out of their own registration system.
Most of the new nicks have crazy login names that no one in their right mind would ever remember.
I was kicked out shortly after pointing that out.
The BFL forums apparently come with Employees using nick names that fully support BFL. Sometimes these "new" people even answer BFL related questions rather authoritatively....yet they shouldn't know jack.
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Someone should make a chart with what they would have earned (in hindsight) if they had delivered in October 2012. Then work out how many BitCoins and the USD they lost over time.
That will no doubt give people huge heart attacks....
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Each day Inaba/BFL_Josh keeps your unit in his hands, is one day of ultimately lost profitability.
No one can deny this.
Josh has taken 7 months of profit from his customers.
Be it through ineptitude...or just cause like he says "It is REALLY HARD to do ASICS". (BS)
It ultimately ends with your full range of profit partially disappearing. Full Stop. Period.
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I'll quote Josh from BFL, post where he profiled you and alikes perfectly:
"I know some people think it's easy to do what we are doing, and to that I would like to point out the fact that there still isn't any viable competitors
in this market place. Avalon has shipped at most 300 units which has taken them 3 months to accomplish - we are geared up to ship that many (and
more) per day. That kind of volume is not trivial. The lack of viable competitors should be an indication of the fact that this process is not trivial, no
matter how much the piss poor "engineers" and armchair quarterbacks on Bitcointalk want you to believe they know what they are talking about, the
simple fact is: They don't. If they did, they would be multi-millionaires selling you Bitcoin ASICs, and you'd have these amazing product they can
supposedly design from scratch in an afternoon. The fact that they are on Bitcointalk talking about how awesome they are as opposed to selling you
ASICs should be the first clue that they have no idea what they are doing or what they are talking about."
Now go buy Avalons and enjoy them for a while, until network hits few Petahashes or more.
Idiocy. What he doesn't say: By the time petahashes hit the bitcoin network, the Avalon and (future shipping) BFL ASICs of 60GH/s or below....will have lost the majority of their profitability. The big difference is that Avalon users get alot more profitability in the interim. While BFL customers simply lose it in a big dark hole that is the anus of one CSR agent from BFL. The only scenario where this isn't ultimately true, is where 1) each Bitcoin generated keeps gaining value 2) as difficulty increases and less coin are generated, that value also increases 3) Where the power efficiency savings of a BFL Single (or below) eventually catches up to the Avalons early release and early profitability. If ANY of the above does not happen....then BFL customers are pretty much screwed. They will be incredibly unlikely to generate the same level of profit as time goes on. |
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Does anyone know who can make great decals for an ASIC? (Avalon of course being the only one available to date!)
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Well, some good news. They think they've found the problem with the test rig. They were able to get the chip spinning with some hand modifications and a few of the engines even ran at 500 MHz. They are going to get some new hardware for the test rig and that should get us what we need by early to mid next week. Silence since then...(03-20-2013 08:10 PM) Silence is normal when there is a proverbial robbery in progress. I wonder if they can give back every cent they have taken to date. ("IF" they fail) Worst case scenario, customers are left wondering how to contact BFL about their refund. I propose everyone donate to Micon a quarter to get him to take pictures of what will one day be a husk of a company. Though PG always says not to count my chickens before they are hatched. I should say "I hope they succeed" as that will jinx them a bit more. |
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Warning: BFL has failed to deliver for> 7 months. It Could be a scam!
And Done
How about we start adding this text in our own signatures? BFL did it when they were holding their bogus contests. Why shouldn't we? |
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