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341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China Has more of EVERYTHING.. How many bitcoins? on: November 21, 2013, 06:44:48 PM
I guess being there are more people over there, there would be more of these things there.

Whenever they visit Vegas they literally buy everything in sight. They have a LOT of new money. It makes sense though since the whole world has given it to them haha.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Black Friday - Let's spend those hoarded bitcoins! on: November 21, 2013, 06:42:37 PM
Glad to see people wanting to participate!!
343  Economy / Digital goods / Re: BTC for AMAZON Gift Codes on: November 21, 2013, 06:36:38 PM
Gift codes always available thanks to amazon's quick issuing always. PM for ordering.
344  Economy / Goods / Re: Selling CUBAN CIGARS Full Boxes and Individual Cigars FREE CIGAR w/purchase! on: November 21, 2013, 06:28:28 PM
Enjoy the sticks uvwvj! Thanks for posting.
345  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: First post on: November 21, 2013, 08:15:07 AM
haha welcome!!
346  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BIPS Wallet security breach on: November 21, 2013, 08:12:41 AM
Ouch! terrible to see that. Secure your bitcoins!
347  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are we still early adopters? Or did that pass after 2010/2011? on: November 21, 2013, 07:20:49 AM
We won't know for a while I think. Technically speaking, I'd say early adopter still at this time.
348  Economy / Digital goods / Re: DELTA SKYMILES for Sale - Fly First (flat bed) International $2700-$3000/couple on: November 21, 2013, 06:43:28 AM
611k skymiles available. Thanks.
349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin And Porn on: November 21, 2013, 06:15:15 AM
Can't believe I'm posting in a thread with this title haha, but any supposed risks, threats you would find with any other payment method are also on bitcoin and vice versa.

You are on the internet and you can't believe that somehow you came across something that's about porn?  Tongue Tongue

haha, well public and private keys do get me all hot and bothered? Especially if they are married.
350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It can't be bitcoin for much longer on: November 21, 2013, 06:05:47 AM
I don't get the thread? What do you mean?
351  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We're rapidly approaching critical adoption rate. on: November 21, 2013, 06:02:40 AM

One could also say the volatility makes people spend. Also entering a time of the year when people spend more anyways.

I disagree.

Think of an institution that is trying to integrate accepting bitcoins into their fundraising / development departments? It competes with other forms of payment that currently require no explanation, are actually more convenient to the vast majority, are approved quicker, and offer consumer protection from fraud.

This institution would, for example, expect $X from development / fundraising a year.

If that $X is now split into $Y+$Z where Y is standard practices and Z is bitcoin, it is CRUCIAL that the $Z is stable, risk is basically unacceptable if someone gives us $Z it has to be $Z when we claim it, or else that is looked upon as waste and not to mention it doesn't meet operational needs.

There are many cases where the volatility doesn't matter, sure, but when you're talking about integrating media campaigns, supporting and maintaining bitcoin there is a cost and a risk associated with doing so that stems from its volatility.



So I don't know about "rapidly approaching critical adoption rate" or what that's really supposed to mean right now... critical implies necessity.


I think people are getting ahead of themselves with senate back-patting "we do a great job so give us new money to fight the mysterious new child rape technology" puff piece. Institutionally, we're talking the large institutions of the world, there is still a lot a government can do to curb adoption of bitcoin, guide it, or funnel it.

Think of any non-profit anywhere that receives tax dollars, aid or federal funding. Think of how easy it would be for the government, considering one of these institutions are under audit microscopes by default, to pull funding or creatively assign funding based on how they're lobbied.

We can toot horns all day long about how its impossible to stop bitcoins, but it is easily possible to curb adoption of them.

Without the cheapness of transaction (fungibility) mattering much yet, the average person doesn't see why they'd convert cash just to risk losses in the timeframe of the conversion, to use bitcoins. That's an eventuality.

But a business that uses that transactional efficiency to offer a higher quality, cheaper product? Nobody will be able to argue with that. Just look at square cell phone credit card swipers? That's what the competition is.

When you're talking about critical adoption, you're talking about businesses losing money if they don't adopt bitcoin.


I agree. I am just trying to look at it from where it is at right now, a bitcoin investor perspective, our own bubble of the internet. I would definitely agree we aren't near any critical adoption or wide acceptance or stability by any means. All we have now come to is a concept that you could say is now proven because a government hasn't taken it away and arrested everyone, which is no small step by any means though.
352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin And Porn on: November 21, 2013, 05:50:41 AM
Can't believe I'm posting in a thread with this title haha, but any supposed risks, threats you would find with any other payment method are also on bitcoin and vice versa.
353  Other / Meta / Re: Watch out for fishing PMs! on: November 21, 2013, 05:48:57 AM
Are these the result of purchased forum accounts???
354  Other / Meta / Re: (PETITION) The act of BUYING/SELLING Bitcointalk.org Accounts (Poll) on: November 21, 2013, 05:46:47 AM
I get a number of messages always from obvious scams, but from old accounts. They have to be purchased? A lot of the times the message doesn't correlate after looking at their post history.
355  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Coinbase defrauding customers, misleading ! on: November 21, 2013, 05:41:11 AM
Whitelist? Jesus, just to join the place they vette you like beocoming the president. You add a bank account and they make two small deposits which you need to confirm. Once that is done they should have NO reason to suspect anything is wrong, you just went through their process and passed. Same thing with a credit card. They make two small deposits. You confirm what they are and they confirm. Same thing with your phone. They call your phone with a pin# that you enter on the site. Now they have THREE ways they confirmed it is the correct person and yet they still select people as being fraudulent. What is this shit?

Shady and disorganized
356  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitmit.net replacement? on: November 21, 2013, 05:30:55 AM
I've also heard www.coingig.com being thrown around.

357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We're rapidly approaching critical adoption rate. on: November 21, 2013, 05:28:02 AM
I agree with most of what you say.  There are still issues however:

1) Convincing people to spend instead of hoard bitcoins when the value has increased 50x in the last year. I look back at stuff I bought with bitcoins just 6 months go and think "OMG" - should have paid with cash instead.

2) Price volatility - whatever people say, its hard having a currency which is so volatile. You might own enough bitcoins to buy a car / house / whatever one day, then next day go to buy the thing and be 30% short of the asking price  ;-)

Let's hope the price becomes more stable and less volatile as mass adoption happens.


One could also say the volatility makes people spend. Also entering a time of the year when people spend more anyways.

Yep agreed. Its certainly something that will stick in your mind either way, whether you've have a great experience buying with bitcoin because the price had just gone high and you got great value, or the opposite. Will turn a lot of people into "love bitcoin forever" or "never touch the thing again"

Volatility is great for trading, and inevitable for the near future. But the person on the street doesn't want to be checking the exchange rate every two minutes to see if they can afford that "item" that is still priced in US$, CA$, whatever.

I like to think we have a fair share of the different mindsets going in either direction. If you want to be a trader and make income, then that is your mindset. Then there's people just holding out and nothing else. Then you have people who also want to enjoy by spending their gains. You could wait and lose or gain, but you would still have bitcoin, but not what you were thinking of spending it on haha.

Though one thing is for sure, the last 30 days may have been some of the wildest for bitcoin and it's probably going to get crazier before normalizing.
358  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China Has more of EVERYTHING.. How many bitcoins? on: November 21, 2013, 05:20:19 AM
And they have trillions upon trillions in cash reserves
359  Economy / Goods / Re: Selling Austrian GOLD PHILHARMONIC 1OZ Coins on: November 21, 2013, 05:18:51 AM
The $50 below spot is now gone. Thanks.
360  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: after all BTC has been mined, what then? on: November 21, 2013, 05:14:42 AM
After 2030, we will have mined about 99% of all bitcoins. Between 2030 to 2140, it's going to look the same. Miners will mine for transaction fees, mostly, until miners will mine for transaction fees only.

By then bitcoin will have changed A LOT, trust me.

haha! That is for sure. We don't know what tomorrow entails for Bitcoin.
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