what religious crime group started the federal reserve ?
What religion is the lead developer of bitcoin right now?
What religion calls it self chosen and whos religious texts advocate crime and pedophillia?
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Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
Like promised, here's the video: https://youtu.be/jcraRM6vblQsince the discussion is getting nowhere then you may consider closing the thread instead? because it seems that majority does not even care of your effort to bring Bitcoin down and even no care of what is that video made for I dunno man, you're not convincing me. If it's a myth, then it's a myth that's worth 880 billion dollars. The fact that it is something that can be used, or useful... means it DOES exist.
perhaps OP has intention that we can call Myth  because no matter what he says , this is Bitcointalk.org forum in which majority is a Bitcoin supporters . It's impossible to bring down or support something that's not real. It's possible only to suggest people not to behave irrationally by giving away their property just because a system of an anonymous guy is changing numbers next to their virtual address. |
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I dunno man, you're not convincing me. If it's a myth, then it's a myth that's worth 880 billion dollars. The fact that it is something that can be used, or useful... means it DOES exist.
Nothing is worth 880 billion. All you got is multiplying two values. The first is the dollar amount currently paid for a number next to an address to be increased by 1. And the second is a sum of numbers next to existing addresses. It's all just operation with numbers. No coins, bit-coins, assets, or whatever real exists in this scheme. It's funny how people still believe mythology even when they see with their own eyes what is reality. |
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Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
Like promised, here's the video: https://youtu.be/jcraRM6vblQ |
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I am telling nothing to myself. I am telling you, that you have a problem of seeing things that don't exist in reality. With this response you proved once again I am right. You again saw things I have never written. Try to find some help. You're not capable of discussing rationally.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that one trillion dollar currency does not exists, 100 million users are delusional, thousands of companies are accepting payments in currency that does not exist and stock exchanges have ETF's on their lists that do not exist at all.  Now you're repeating the same delusions and proving me right again. Keep doing it. But I will respond, for onlookers. "One trillion dollar currency" does not exist in the Satoshi's system. Instead, there's a mathematical operation of multiplying the sum of numbers next to address with the dollar amount paid for swapping the number 1 between the addresses. A currency is something that exists, for example, liabilities in the banking system. And shares in these liabilities are indeed measured in trillions. |
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That's like in ponzi schemes. You cannot afect people by saying that no business exists behind the scheme, because people are driven by greed when they see others are making money from the scheme. When the scheme ends only then people realize that the business didn't exist. The same will happen in the Satoshi's scheme. When the scheme ends people will realize that bitcoin didn't exist.
Oh, now you are moving goal posts. First it does not exist at all. Then when you have been told it exists as a digital money and it has open source code where you can examine by your own eyes that how it operates and by what rules it operates, you decided that it has no value at all. And now that you have noticed that it does have a value to other people even if you don't value at all, you decide it is a ponzi scheme. You're funny man. You just can't stand it that whatever you say or do, Bitcoin will keep running in the internet. And people keep using it as their investment, daily currency and a savings account. You need a therapist to help you. Because you will only get more and more angry and bitter while Bitcoin grows, gets used more, userbase grows and the price of Bitcoin grows. Help yourself and go see therapist. It seems that you have a problem of seeing things that don't exist in reality. I never said things that you put into my mouth. I sad that bitcoin doesn't exist in the Satoshi's scheme the same as a business doesn't exist in ponzi schemes. So you're either incapable of reading or comprehending a simple argument from analogy. Whatever is the case you have a problem of seeing things that don't actually exist. It is no wonder then that you're a fanatical bitcoin believer. All fanatics have problems with reality. Yeah, keep telling yourself that one trillion dollar currency does not exists, 100 million users are delusional, thousands of companies are accepting payments in currency that does not exist and stock exchanges have ETF's on their lists that do not exist at all. I am telling nothing to myself. I am telling you, that you have a problem of seeing things that don't exist in reality. With this response you proved once again I am right. You again saw things I have never written. Try to find some help. You're not capable of discussing rationally. |
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That's like in ponzi schemes. You cannot afect people by saying that no business exists behind the scheme, because people are driven by greed when they see others are making money from the scheme. When the scheme ends only then people realize that the business didn't exist. The same will happen in the Satoshi's scheme. When the scheme ends people will realize that bitcoin didn't exist.
Oh, now you are moving goal posts. First it does not exist at all. Then when you have been told it exists as a digital money and it has open source code where you can examine by your own eyes that how it operates and by what rules it operates, you decided that it has no value at all. And now that you have noticed that it does have a value to other people even if you don't value at all, you decide it is a ponzi scheme. You're funny man. You just can't stand it that whatever you say or do, Bitcoin will keep running in the internet. And people keep using it as their investment, daily currency and a savings account. You need a therapist to help you. Because you will only get more and more angry and bitter while Bitcoin grows, gets used more, userbase grows and the price of Bitcoin grows. Help yourself and go see therapist. It seems that you have a problem of seeing things that don't exist in reality. I never said things that you put into my mouth. I sad that bitcoin doesn't exist in the Satoshi's scheme the same as a business doesn't exist in ponzi schemes. So you're either incapable of reading or comprehending a simple argument from analogy. Whatever is the case you have a problem of seeing things that don't actually exist. It is no wonder then that you're a fanatical bitcoin believer. All fanatics have problems with reality. |
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No, I am stating the fact that you have no digital money but digital number. But like I said. You're free to play games and fantasize that you have money, that is, something, while in reality all you have is a number that quantifies nothing. When the game ends, you'll realize what it means to have nothing.
Yes, in fact we will keep using this digital stuff as a currency. Because like I said, you can't prevent us and 100 million other users, a growing number of new users, from doing that. So happy wednesday to you my dude! Glad to see that all you tried here could not affect anything. That's like in ponzi schemes. You cannot afect people by saying that no business exists behind the scheme, because people are driven by greed when they see others are making money from the scheme. When the scheme ends only then people realize that the business didn't exist. The same will happen in the Satoshi's scheme. When the scheme ends people will realize that bitcoin didn't exist. |
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Now you're just repeating the same false narrative that I already debunked throughout this discussion.
So you tried to decide that digital money has no value at all but could not, so we just continue to use it and accept it as a payment. Thanks. No, I am stating the fact that you have no digital money but digital number. But like I said. You're free to play games and fantasize that you have money, that is, something, while in reality all you have is a number that quantifies nothing. When the game ends, you'll finally comprehend the meaning of the word "nothing". |
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But hey, you're free to pay money because a system of an anonymous guy is performing math operations.
Yeah, I do like it that my money is based on math. Well you can play semantics all you like, but you have no money. What you have is a number attached to your address, which resulted from math operations. The Satoshi's system is like calculator. It doesn't create money but numbers. But hey, you are free to play with a calculator and fantasize that you're creating money. Children do that all the time. This digital money has verifiable rules how it operates and value as a part of transaction so I can't see how that is not money. You are still free to say that in your mind it's value is zero for you. But you are not able to decide how other people will value it. Try it. Try to decide for me that I can't buy anything from this store A which accepts Bitcoin. Or try to decide for me that the Bitcoins I own has suddenly zero value. Because every second I can see the current value the Bitcoin has in different currencies on the Bitcoin exchange websites. Now you're just repeating the same false narrative that I already debunked throughout this discussion. |
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But hey, you're free to pay money because a system of an anonymous guy is performing math operations.
Yeah, I do like it that my money is based on math. Well you can play semantics all you like, but you have no money. What you have is a number attached to your address, which resulted from math operations. The Satoshi's system is like a calculator. It doesn't create money but numbers. But hey, you are free to play with a calculator and fantasize that you're creating money. Children do that all the time. It's fun. The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."
As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.
No, no... You literally said that there is no Bitcoin because coins are made of metal and Bitcoin is not made of metal. Here, I'll quote it and make it bold for you: Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking.
Yes, coins are made up of metal the same as the Sun is made up of hydrogen, helium and other heavier elements. There's no such thing as "digital coin", the same as there's no such thing as digital Sun. I simply stated something that is factually correct. To this, I also added that no digital product called bitcoin exists, because the address holders can only show digital numbers. This is factually correct as well. |
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The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...."
As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words.
Ok man, you won. Bitcoin does not exist. We are still going to continue to use it though. You know, those numbers in the internet, called Bitcoins. The ones you hate that are called bitCOINS because they are not made of metal. Those Bitcoins that we can trust on how their "system" will operate by seeing the open source code which rules how Bitcoin works. The company I work for is still going to continue accepting it as a payment in transactions. The Bitcoin ETFs are still going to continue operating on stock exchanges. And millions of people are still using it as an investment, store of value, daily currency and a savings account. You are completely correct that it does not exist but we are still going to use it. How does that make you feel? That people trust more the mathematics and logic they see on its source code than you, a random person in the internet? How does it make you feel? You know it does not exist. And still it spreads all over the world. How does it make you feel? Be honest. That what you call using or buying and selling Bitcoin are actually math operations of adding and subtracting numbers to or from the numbers attached to the addresses. Nothing is used, bought or sold. But hey, you're free to pay money because a system of an anonymous guy is performing math operations. |
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Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
I'm not sure if we all should admire your efforts to persuade us all that Bitcoin does not exist or should we pity you because you are not able to comprehend our reasons why Bitcoin is real even though you can't touch it and even though it's not made of metal. The real problem is your inability to comprehend these words of mine: "... There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers...." As you can see, I am not talking about metal in this part of my response. I am not sure whether this is your inability to comprehend or you are deliberately twisting my words. |
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Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
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Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.
I (or should I say all of us here) have a very twisted way of thinking and your way of thinking is correct? That statement just speaks for itself... So in another words, a computer program does not exist because the only thing that exist are ones and zeroes in a computer memory. Am I right? Like I have said. You have a very twisted way of thinking. This response proved that also. Ones and zeros in a specific combination form computer programs. The same as ones and zeros attached to the addresses in the Satoshi's system form digital numbers. But there are no combinations of ones and zeros that would form a coin called bitcoin because coins are made of metal. There are also no combinations of ones and zeros that would form digital products called bitcoins because no address holder is capable to show such products. All they are able to show are digital numbers. So, your interpretation of my words is a twisted way of thinking. |
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Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?
Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located? It doesn't have to be located anywhere because it's digital? Where is a digital computer program located? Nowhere because it consists of bunch of 1 and 0 in a computer memory. Does that mean that a computer program does not exist because it is only manifested as ones and zeroes in a computer memory? Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.
Oh, please prove me that Mozilla Firefox exist. And don't tell me that it's not a topic of this discussion. It is because I wanna know what kind of proof will you accept. Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking. |
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Showshow already proved he does not have brain for this conversation by stating that computer programs are real but Bitcoin is not real. Even though they both exists the same way: as a digital thing in the internet. And digital meaning it is made by lines of computer coding.
So, as everyone can see, there is no point helping him to hurt himself with this matter. He is not able to understand this. Just like there is saying that don't feed the troll, in this matter don't help the handicapped person to hurt his brain. He is delusional with his "coded computer programs are real but other coded things like Bitcoin cannot be real".
Leave him to be. Eventually the disabled person will find some other topic to hurt his brain with.
Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws. |
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Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?
As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it. You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect. In fact, this statement is factually correct, but you are unable or unwilling to comprehend. Your problem, not ours. As I told you before, stating that the Sun does not exist because you are visually impaired is not a statement of fact. There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then all you are doing is showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.
As you know, bitcoins are digital. All that is digital does not exist in physical form, as we've been telling you time and time again. You really don't get it? Factually correct is that on the ledger there's data in the form of addresses and numbers. Fake numbers, given they quantify non-existent coins. "Digital coins" is a nonsense phrase. Like "digital air'. Air is made of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide, and neon. Coins are made of metal. There's no such thing as digital coins. Nor there are digital products owned by address holders. Only fake data on quantity. That's all they "own". ... A computer program exists as a sequence of instructions in a programming language that a computer can execute or interpret. ...
Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from? Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located? .
Bitcoin exit in the Blockchain database as numerical representation of unit of economic value.
That's factually incorrect statement. In the blockchain database only addresses and numbers attached to them exist. Nothing else. You're imagining things that don't exist in reality. Like many people here. Coming from a newbie all I can wonder is where you got this kind of misleading information from??
My little advice though, try to make your research from a reliable source don't come up here misleading and confusing people who are still trying to gain useful information about information.
Facts are not misleading. I get the facts from observation. I observe and see numbers and addresses in the blockchain. People here are spreading misinformation and lies that blockchain contains coins called bitcoins. |
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Data is a generic term and means nothing. I can put the following data next to your name: "10 ddghjjkjgf" and then claim that you bought magical coin called Ddghjjkjgf. That's nonsense. If I claim that this coin exists I am required to show it. So, can you show 10 coins that a person with a number "10" attached to their address supposedly bought for half a million dollars?
You can claim anything you want, but will you be able to sell someone 10 ddghjjkjgf? I'm not sure, but you can try. Let me know how it goes. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to tell me how can time or a computer program exist without anyone seeing them? Of course I am not able to sell or show a coin that actually doesn't exist but I just claim it does by writing down fake data. Time exists as a concept of continued progress of events. A computer program exists as a sequence of instructions in a programming language that a computer can execute or interpret. But we are not discussing time and computer programs here. We are discussing some coins called Bitcoins that people supposedly bought when paying an enormous amount of money. So, I will ask you again: where are these coins? |
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You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. "You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect. There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then you are showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.
No, actually you are pathetic with ignoring every single statement that you don't have the answer to. You didn't answer me can you see time? You can't. How can you prove to me that time exist when you can't see it? And one more thing... No, addresses and numbers are not stored on a public ledger. Data is stored on a public ledger just like data is stored on a hard drive when you install an app that you bought. Data is a generic term and means nothing. I can put the following data next to your name: "10 ddghjjkjgf" and then claim that you bought magical coin called Ddghjjkjgf. That's nonsense. If I claim that this coin exists I am required to show it, and not just write down its quantity and name, or its "data". So, can you show 10 coins that a person with a number "10" attached to their address supposedly bought for half a million dollars? |
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