How Satoshi Nakamoto Fooled the World

[Snowshow]

Everything that you just said are things irrelevant for the facts I have presented here. The only thing you're supposed to do, if you're replying to my posts, is to prove the existence of Bitcoin. You are one of those who claim Bitcoin exists. Your colleagues tried to prove the existence of Bitcoin, but I refuted all their arguments. Then you came with opinions about me and false interpretation of one of my refutations. So there's no substance in your replies that I could address. I don't care about your magazines or opinions. I care only about facts and arguments.

Man, you just won't give up, will you? For the bold part, you refuted nothing. You are just saying that Bitcoin does not exist without proving anything. When someone asks you a question you don't have the answer to, you ignore that question or you state it has nothing to do with this thread.

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

[arcmetal]

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Or, like I already mentioned, and I repeat, it would seem you are actively ignoring these elements of bitcoin that I and others have passed along within this thread. You say that you only care about "facts and arguments", but you only seem to ignore "facts and arguments".  It would seem that this is really your main dilemma.

Elements of bitcoin? First you must show bitcoin instead of refering to the system that just stores and protects numbers according to some cryptographic protocols. You must show the thing that a person supposedly bought in the quantity indicated by a number attached to their address. People are not buying nodes, blockchain, protocols or other elements of Satoshi's system. But supposedly some coins called Bitcoins. Where are they?

So, show me bitcoin and not your opinion about me. Nobody cares about your opinions on forum users.

These points of bitcoin have already been explained to you by other posts in this thread.

If you ignore what they have said, and the basic points I have said, then the main topic becomes: "why are you ignoring these basic things".


Look here, at what slackovic just said:

Everything that you just said are things irrelevant for the facts I have presented here. The only thing you're supposed to do, if you're replying to my posts, is to prove the existence of Bitcoin. You are one of those who claim Bitcoin exists. Your colleagues tried to prove the existence of Bitcoin, but I refuted all their arguments. Then you came with opinions about me and false interpretation of one of my refutations. So there's no substance in your replies that I could address. I don't care about your magazines or opinions. I care only about facts and arguments.

Man, you just won't give up, will you? For the bold part, you refuted nothing. You are just saying that Bitcoin does not exist without proving anything. When someone asks you a question you don't have the answer to, you ignore that question or you state it has nothing to do with this thread.

Do you not see him pointing to the same problem I am pointing to: " you ignore that question or ".

Why would we be saying this?

[slackovic]

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

[Snowshow]

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect. There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then all you are doing is showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, where are they? You're claiming they exist, which is why you're required to support your claim.

[slackovic]

You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. "You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect. There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then you are showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.

No, actually you are pathetic with ignoring every single statement that you don't have the answer to. You didn't answer me can you see time? You can't. How can you prove to me that time exist when you can't see it?

And one more thing... No, addresses and numbers are not stored on a public ledger. Data is stored on a public ledger just like data is stored on a hard drive when you install an app that you bought.

[Snowshow]

You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. "You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect. There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then you are showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.

No, actually you are pathetic with ignoring every single statement that you don't have the answer to. You didn't answer me can you see time? You can't. How can you prove to me that time exist when you can't see it?

And one more thing... No, addresses and numbers are not stored on a public ledger. Data is stored on a public ledger just like data is stored on a hard drive when you install an app that you bought.

Data is a generic term and means nothing. I can put the following data next to your name: "10 ddghjjkjgf" and then claim that you bought magical coin called Ddghjjkjgf. That's nonsense. If I claim that this coin exists I am required to show it, and not just write down its quantity and name, or its "data". So, can you show 10 coins that a person with a number "10" attached to their address supposedly bought for half a million dollars?

[slackovic]

Data is a generic term and means nothing. I can put the following data next to your name: "10 ddghjjkjgf" and then claim that you bought magical coin called Ddghjjkjgf. That's nonsense. If I claim that this coin exists I am required to show it. So, can you show 10 coins that a person with a number "10" attached to their address supposedly bought for half a million dollars?

You can claim anything you want, but will you be able to sell someone 10 ddghjjkjgf? I'm not sure, but you can try. Let me know how it goes.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to tell me how can time or a computer program exist without anyone seeing them?

[Snowshow]

Data is a generic term and means nothing. I can put the following data next to your name: "10 ddghjjkjgf" and then claim that you bought magical coin called Ddghjjkjgf. That's nonsense. If I claim that this coin exists I am required to show it. So, can you show 10 coins that a person with a number "10" attached to their address supposedly bought for half a million dollars?

You can claim anything you want, but will you be able to sell someone 10 ddghjjkjgf? I'm not sure, but you can try. Let me know how it goes.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to tell me how can time or a computer program exist without anyone seeing them?

Of course I am not able to sell or show a coin that actually doesn't exist but I just claim it does by writing down fake data. Time exists as a concept of continued progress of events. A computer program exists as a sequence of instructions in a programming language that a computer can execute or interpret. But we are not discussing time and computer programs here. We are discussing some coins called Bitcoins that people supposedly bought when paying an enormous amount of money. So, I will ask you again: where are these coins?

[FatFork]

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect.

In fact, this statement is factually correct, but you are unable or unwilling to comprehend. Your problem, not ours. As I told you before, stating that the Sun does not exist because you are visually impaired is not a statement of fact.

There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then all you are doing is showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.

As you know, bitcoins are digital. All that is digital does not exist in physical form, as we've been telling you time and time again. You really don't get it?

[slackovic]

... A computer program exists as a sequence of instructions in a programming language that a computer can execute or interpret. ...

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

[BitcoinMoses]

After all I must come forward to answer !

Snowshow has made a complex statements as the OP thinks, Satoshi cited Bitcoin is like Adam Back's hashcash style transaction mechanism in the Bitcoin White Paper. Now the OP think, Bitcoin the same thing like the email or text messages. I think,  I know the OP behind the Snowshow, who has discovered the Bitcoin Great Secret that Bitcoin does not exist. Well the fact is electricity doesnot exist in a physical form. OP think Dollar exist. Dollar, Euro or Pound Sterling or Yen are just token created by bunch financial elites behind the central banks, and they forced the government to adopt it as the legal tendered currency. 

Now, Bitcoin is system and representation of electronic cash. Numbers play the role as identifier of its asset value or intrinsic numerical value when some one buy it with fiat currency. Fiat currency is not money but a monopolized dictatorial financial representation which is controlled by a group of financial elites and their numbers are less than 0.1%. Bitcoin is also a network of financial transaction system based on Blockchain protocol. Thus when Blockchain facilitate to mine Bitcoin computationally it becomes the Electronic cash according to the Bitcoin Cryptographic Protocol.

Bitcoin exit in the Blockchain database as numerical representation of unit of economic value. Therefore, the OP need further economic education regarding what is Money and what is economic system that provides financial services for people to make monetary transaction. Bitcoin does it electronically and uses numbers and cryptographic code to send it and verify its authenticity.
OP should do diligent research about Bitcoin and its fundamental nature and how it function as transaction system as well as Digital Electronic Cash.

I thinks this answer the OP's quest to discover the great secret of Bitcoin.


BitcoinMoses

[Alisha-k]

Coming from a newbie all I can wonder is where you got this kind of misleading information from??

My little advice though, try to make your research from a reliable source don't come up here misleading and confusing people who are still trying to gain useful information about information.

[Ebede]

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

This statement is contradictory each other, who on planet earth seems Bitcoin, Bitcoin is a digital currency which can not be hold on hand but only seen from digital view, bitcoin exist and bitcoin no exist is not suppose to be an argument

Coming from a newbie all I can wonder is where you got this kind of misleading information from??

My little advice though, try to make your research from a reliable source don't come up here misleading and confusing people who are still trying to gain useful information about information.

You know that some people of this time don't really make a research before presenting something to the public, op just decide to put anything he or her feel is right and drop for people to read, op suppose to know that present information to the public, you have to research and research well, because information is just like a key

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[Snowshow]

Your opinions on me are irrelevant. Show me bitcoins given you're the one claiming they exist. When someone says they own bitcoins, all they are able to show are numbers next to their address. These numbers supposedly express the quantity of their coins. But where are the coins? Where are the bitcoins? I examined the Satoshi's system and I didn't find them. You claim they exist. So where are they?

As I said before, there are no physical Bitcoins. They are digital data stored on a public ledger. And that's it. You can't argue that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it.

You're pretty pathetic with this generic phrases. You say bitcons are "digital data stored on a public ledger". But what is stored are addresses and numbers. So your claim is factually incorrect.

In fact, this statement is factually correct, but you are unable or unwilling to comprehend. Your problem, not ours. As I told you before, stating that the Sun does not exist because you are visually impaired is not a statement of fact.

There are no bitcoins on a public ledger. You repeatedly claim that bitcoins exist and then all you are doing is showing address with the supposed quantities of bitcoins. But not bitcoins themselves. So, I where are they? You're claiming they exist and you're required to support your claim.

As you know, bitcoins are digital. All that is digital does not exist in physical form, as we've been telling you time and time again. You really don't get it?

Factually correct is that on the ledger there's data in the form of addresses and numbers. Fake numbers, given they quantify non-existent coins. "Digital coins" is a nonsense phrase. Like "digital air'. Air is made of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide, and neon. Coins are made of metal. There's no such thing as digital coins. Nor there are digital products owned by address holders. Only fake data on quantity. That's all they "own".

... A computer program exists as a sequence of instructions in a programming language that a computer can execute or interpret. ...

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located?

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Bitcoin exit in the Blockchain database as numerical representation of unit of economic value.

That's factually incorrect statement. In the blockchain database only addresses and numbers attached to them exist. Nothing else. You're imagining things that don't exist in reality. Like many people here.

Coming from a newbie all I can wonder is where you got this kind of misleading information from??

My little advice though, try to make your research from a reliable source don't come up here misleading and confusing people who are still trying to gain useful information about information.

Facts are not misleading. I get the facts from observation. I observe and see numbers and addresses in the blockchain. People here are spreading misinformation and lies that blockchain contains coins called bitcoins.

[Western_Boris]

Showshow already proved he does not have brain for this conversation by stating that computer programs are real but Bitcoin is not real. Even though they both exists the same way: as a digital thing in the internet. And digital meaning it is made by lines of computer coding.

So, as everyone can see, there is no point helping him to hurt himself with this matter. He is not able to understand this. Just like there is saying that don't feed the troll, in this matter don't help the handicapped person to hurt his brain. He is delusional with his "coded computer programs are real but other coded things like Bitcoin cannot be real".

Leave him to be. Eventually the disabled person will find some other topic to hurt his brain with.

[Snowshow]

Showshow already proved he does not have brain for this conversation by stating that computer programs are real but Bitcoin is not real. Even though they both exists the same way: as a digital thing in the internet. And digital meaning it is made by lines of computer coding.

So, as everyone can see, there is no point helping him to hurt himself with this matter. He is not able to understand this. Just like there is saying that don't feed the troll, in this matter don't help the handicapped person to hurt his brain. He is delusional with his "coded computer programs are real but other coded things like Bitcoin cannot be real".

Leave him to be. Eventually the disabled person will find some other topic to hurt his brain with.

Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.

[Assmosis]

As more companies in today’s world have started accepting bitcoin for payments, I believe it's high time that more and more people should start using it for safe and secure payments.

[slackovic]

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located?

It doesn't have to be located anywhere because it's digital? Where is a digital computer program located? Nowhere because it consists of bunch of 1 and 0 in a computer memory. Does that mean that a computer program does not exist because it is only manifested as ones and zeroes in a computer memory?

Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.

Oh, please prove me that Mozilla Firefox exist. And don't tell me that it's not a topic of this discussion. It is because I wanna know what kind of proof will you accept.

[Snowshow]

Just like that, Bitcoin exists as a digital currency that can be minted under a specific rules and that gives it a value. And just like time and a computer program, it doesn't have to be in a physical form. Why do you insist that it has to be in a physical form? Where did you get that info from?

Now try to prove yor claim. Where's that digital currency located?

It doesn't have to be located anywhere because it's digital? Where is a digital computer program located? Nowhere because it consists of bunch of 1 and 0 in a computer memory. Does that mean that a computer program does not exist because it is only manifested as ones and zeroes in a computer memory?

Yes, computer programs are real. Although digital and intangible they are easily proven to exist. Bitcoin on the other hand is not real. Nobody who supposedly bought or sold, for example, 100 bitcoins got some coins or digital products or transferred them to someone. Only a number 100 was added or subtracted from a number previously attached to their address. You all blindly believed an anonymous guy when he wrote in his paper that some coins or transactions exist in his system. While all his system does is cryptographic management of numbers. There are no coins or transactions in his system. Only mathematical operations with numbers whose results are stored by the network of nodes. What is fascinating, unbelievable and bizarre is that you people insult someone who is presenting you pure facts. And on the other hand, keep blindly believing an anonymous guy hwo wrote a paper full of flaws.

Oh, please prove me that Mozilla Firefox exist. And don't tell me that it's not a topic of this discussion. It is because I wanna know what kind of proof will you accept.

Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.

[slackovic]

Everything digital is bunch of 1 and 0 located in a computer memory. But bitcoin is neither digital nor tangible given it's not real. So, just because bitcoin is not real that doesn't mean digital things don't exist. You have a very twisted way of thinking.

I (or should I say all of us here) have a very twisted way of thinking and your way of thinking is correct? That statement just speaks for itself...


So in another words, a computer program does not exist because the only thing that exist are ones and zeroes in a computer memory. Am I right?