Are you saying that you discovered a violation, reported it to BitPay, and as a response they changed their ToS?
Their ToS has not changed from day one up to the 16th of April of this year, a few days after you claimed (not doubting) to have sent them an email pointing out a violation. Not only has the ToS gotten longer, but it now excludes most all nefarious activities, one of which is the ability to use their service to buy and sell drugs.
I look forward to Tony's comments on this.
~Bruno K~ Yes, but they actually changed it only a few days ago. On May 11 they still had the old ToS when I have sent them the email. Yesterday when I checked it again the ToS was changed. |
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May 11 2013 I was reading through BitPay's Terms of Service: http://web.archive.org/web/20130415014112/https://bitpay.com/termsBitPay Terms of Service
You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of BitPay's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.
Prohibited Activities
You may not use the BitPay service for activities that:
1. violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation
2. relate to sales of (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (e) items that are considered obscene, (f) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (g) certain sexually oriented materials or services, or (h) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (i) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law
3. relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of real property, annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f), are associated with the following Money Service Business activities: the sale of travelers checks or money orders, currency exchanges or check cashing,or (g) provide certain credit repair or debt settlement services
4.involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent
5.violate applicable laws or industry regulations regarding the sale of (a) tobacco products, or (b) prescription drugs and devices
6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes unless the operator has obtained prior approval from BitPay and the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.
Violations of the Terms of Service
We encourage you to report violations of these Terms to BitPay immediately. If you have a question about whether a type of transaction may violate the Terms, you can email BitPay's Compliance Department at: legal@bitpay.com. Seeing that I decided to send them an email: Hello,
I am writing because I have just now looked at BitPay's Terms of Service and a part of it intrigued me:
Prohibited Activities
You may not use the BitPay service for activities that:
[...]
3. relate to transactions that
[...]
(d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item
As it is widely known, since 2011 Butterfly Labs has been selling a lot of products they were not in possession of, and continues to do so (they are now accepting pre-orders for 50 GH/s miners). One of they payment options they accept is Bitcoin through BitPay. One of the products they were accepting pre-orders for was supposed to be delivered in November 2012. It turned out they only managed to build a prototype but... in April 2013 (!). Ever since the first product they released (the Butterfly Single) the money they accepted was for covering the research and development involved in manufacturing the product before it was sent up to a year later. There are plenty of threads and posts on bitcointalk forum, BFL forum, their fb page, twitter, etc. of customers' (to put it midly) dissatisfaction.
I would like to ask what prompted you to associate with these individuals and at the same time keep this kind of ToS?
Regards,
malevolent (Bitcointalk.org forum member) I haver received no response but today I noticed that the Terms of Service have changed. Having received no response I decided to post here maybe they will respond. I think we all know why they wouldn't end their relationship with BFL and break their own ToS rules - Butterfly Labs must be the biggest merchant they serve = the most $$$ from sales. http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bitpay-breaks-daily-volume-record-with-butterfly-asic-mining-release/If we assume BFL took $10M worth of orders, 0.99% fee means almnost $100k. Everyone in the Bitcoin community knows what kind of a fuckup company BFL is, so I believe given the Terms of Service they have set up, they should have stopped doing business with BFL. Instead they only adjusted the ToS but it doesn't exonerate them from months of hypocritical behaviour - on the one hand the ToS suggests that they would care how BFL's customers are treated, and on the other hand they didn't give a damn so as long the merchant they served resulted in them earning a lot from fees. What's interesting the new ToS still suggests that they should end the business relationship with BFL. Our Right to Reject. We reserve the right to decline to process a sale if we believe that it violates these Terms or would expose you, other merchants, purchasers, or other parties to harm. Note: In no way were I ever affliated with BitPay or BFL, nor have I been their customer, just pointing out gross inconsistencies and hypocrisy. |
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You have reported 76 posts with 93% accuracy Not sure if all of the reported posts are marked though. |
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Firstly I think we all have been extremely patient when considering for how long this has been going on, and considering quite a few people have lost a significant amount of money, and since BTC rose a lot in the mean time, that is likely something we will never recoup.
Worry not, Alberto ordered some ASICs with the money he took, he should be able to return all the BTC with interest: Apologizes for not being communicative lately, but i am positive that i'll soon be able to provide consistent and stable payments.
During the BDT experience, because i was very concerned about the high interest bond and the lack of supporting high revenues i've made the decision (unethical, possibly illegal) to repurpose some of the funds raised with the IPO.
Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment.
I will receive a couple of units hopefully the next week, the mined coins will go toward current debt repayment plan.
I've also discussed with Meni about shipping one ASIC unit to him phisically, once i receive them.
I'm also working hard on raising funds via other ways, small programming giggles and similar, but my tarnished reputation doesn't help finding customers as a freelancer.
I am not looking for compassion or excuses, rather i just want to explain the state of things at the moment.
On a more positive note, i could possibly be able to pay the current debt entirely within the next few months if some real estate sale concludes. I'm still working out a way to document this to Meni and possibly publicly. A stable point in the debt repayment plan will be reached soon enough when i'll be able to make use of the asic devices and send a unit to meni. I've also sent additional 10 BTC to Meni today, and i know this is not much of an update until money start flowing back to both bond holders and bdt depositors, but i'm positive about what is being outlined. I'll be soon re-activating the website and implement a claim form for BDT depositors. Again apologizes for all issues caused.
Sincerely
Alberto
He should ship all of them, not just one, to Meni Rosenfeld. |
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Herro, so I have 5 posts in the newbie section and been here logged longer then 4 hours and I still can't post anywhere else. What should I do?  You are now a Jr Member how much BTC did you pay?? 0.05 BTC for Junior Member? I know donator costs 10 BTC You don't have to pay anything for any ranks except if you want to be a Donator or VIP. |
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Jak ktoś chce to wyciągnie z tego więcej niż kopacz.
bardzo jestem ciekaw ile w praktyce taki oglądacz reklam wyciska tych bitcoinów na miesiąc  Trudno liczyć na to, że ktoś na forum szczerze się pochwali - a może jednak? Podejrzewam, ze podobnie jak z wszystkimi podobnymi systemami tylko opartymi na €/$/PLN/etc. - 'recznie', bez automatyzacji i najlepiej jakiegos botnetu zarobki beda bardzo groszowe. Ale jak ktos pracuje gdzies jako ochroniarz i siedzi cala noc i sie nudzi to moze troche 'poklikac'  |
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Je change le prix - 0.1 BTC pour 1000 XRP.
edit: j'ai ajoute le link au coinaid dans le OP.
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Bad to the Bone   I presume you are not using this for 24/7 mining  * looks up at the title of the thread* |
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Self moderated topics are a horribly bad idea.
Why were they even introduced?
I thinks it is debatable whether they are a horribly bad idea. They permit the OP to moderate the discussion and filter out the trolls that do not contribute to the topic without wasting the moderators' time to do this (and sometimes the OP moght not be satisfied with the fact that not all trolling posts will get deleted). If I'm not mistaken Moderators/Administrators can still see the deleted posts. On the other hand it makes some scammers' scamming easier so I think the best solution would be to permit only the very-established users (similar to the way the Ignore button works) to start self-moderated topics OR maybe introduce a small button that when clicked, would let others see all the posts that have been deleted in said topic. |
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 Found out he drives a Nissan Micra K10 1992 His another phone number 536334468 (or at least it was last year, not sure about now) and even older one: 505472111 GG (popular Polish IM) numbers: 5164062 and 41098257 ICQ: 607770250 He is easy to trace and dox because he is reusing his info all over the Internet (deepweb included!) He's also a skid on crackhackforum.com using botnet operators' services. True, penal code, article 286, paragraph 1 states 6 months to 8 years. If it can be proven and if you add CC fraud and possession of marijuana the guy can start stocking up lubricants for the upcoming rectum treatment. Not sure at how far did you get so far with contacting authorities of countries where his victims reside in but I encourage you to persevere. Let me know if I can be of some help as I currently live 2 hours away from this clown (though I will not do anything illegal). |
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#2 You do not need to solder anything. You can take 5 cm (about two inches if you are from US) of a very thin wire, take of the insulation and put the two ends as shown here:  You can put it directly in the PCI-E slot or in the riser. Newer motherboards will often require it to recognize the GPUs in x1 physical slots. #3 A few people did cut their pins to insert a x16 card into a x1 slot, it works but then it becomes pretty much useless outside mining/hashing. Happy mining. P.S. You also don't need a x1-x16 riser, x1-x1 will suffice and it's cheaper, the only inconvenience is that you will have to cut or melt (I used a soldering gun) to get rid of the of a piece of plastic on the riser. |
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Anyone know of any updates concerning the topic of these bets?
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I can confirm to have had similar experience with this person. BTW. Seems like he wants to buy someone's scan of an ID for less than $25: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208214.msg2180459#msg2180459Also no idea why this post wasn't removed after I have reported it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207101.msg2168565#msg2168565I though it was the forum moderation policy to have such posts removed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20333.msg254443#msg254443The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
EDIT: I don't get it. I am sure I have reported that post yesterday and only just now one of the Mods/Admins must have removed it. BTW. His wording also suggests he is just some bored 14 year old HF skid https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/18370-bitcoin-botnet |
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I heard about them in 2011 and they even had their own website, saw them mentioned in some peoples' signatures too but that's about it.
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It's completely reasonable that the number of nodes steadily decreases as only up-to-date rigs are anywhere near profitable.
Bitcoiners can usually do some numbers, and even when they can't it becomes obvious at some point that it's not worth it to keep your old rig mining.
cool story bro except this counts nodes not miners I understand in early times all users were both. So there is a progression to nodes vs miners with fewer nodes, and also more thin clients. I wasn't around, but I thought this was the case. Correct me if I'm wrong. Not necessarily all users. The default client had an in-built mining option but not everyone was willing to run it non-stop when bitcoins where worthless (especially laptop users would get easily discouraged after noticing the extra heat). |
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Theymos assigns it on a whim to his friends people he considers experts.
FTFY Also, I believe they only show up in a few sub-forums. Only on the Development and Technical Discussion sub-forum as far as I can see (but not on the Alternative Clients Child Boards). |
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I have a trade going on with mah87 through Bitmit with escrow, sent him 45k XRP and am not selling any more for now, only waiting until he confirms to have received the XRP on Bitmit.
EDIT: BTC received!
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Un scam c'est profiter de la stupidité des gens.
Acheter 20K ici et revendre 9K sur un autre topic, pour moi, c'est essayer de profiter de la stupidité des gens qui ne vont pas vérifier autre part avant de te vendre !!
Soooo oui pour moi c'est un Scam !
Tout le monde peut passer 3 minutes pour chercher le forum et Monsieur Google les prix de XRP. Moi j'offre seulement une service pour ceux qui ont desir de facilite, sans commencer un nouveau topic et risquer un scam avec un newbie. Si tu achetes du pain dans un epicerie pour 2€ et tu apprends que cette epicerie l'achete pour 1€, est-ce que tu vas crier de toutes tes forces: ''Scam!!!11oneoneone''? |
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