Would this apply to the litecoin pool as well? What is the new payout system you have in mind?
The choices are in the survey. So did you get a GPU to mining yet? Sam |
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I'm having some issues,
1)When i start to mine in this pool the 3 to 5 first blocks are shown in stats as i never submit a share, and i don't receive any payment for those blocks
I apologize in advance if I am stating things you already know/considered. The Deepbit stats page is delayed by one hour so you may be seeing blocks that were found prior to your starting mining. Also if there is a really long block mixed in the round it may take longer than an hour for the stats page to be updated. Also Deepbit doesn't find every block. So a round may encompass several blocks worth of hashing and those shares are paid by the one block that got solved at the end. Also when I first started mining I was switching my miner between Proportional and PPS whenever the luck shifted and the share count shows both share types for the block/round but only calculates pay based on the Proportional shares so it made it look like I was getting paid less when in reality I wasn't. So it would seem to me that you need capture the share count for the round which may be more than one block long and match up the actual times so as not to be confused by the delay, if that's the case. Anyway just some random thoughts, don't know if it has any bearing on your issue, Sam |
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I too have just found this thread.
I have gotten irritated lately by folks promoting/attacking payout methods and/or pools without providing any or few objective facts.
I had since been hoping someone knowledgeable would start a thread for each payout method and attempt to explain them from the purely objective standpoint and then, after sufficient background has been established, delve into the more subjective pro's and con's for each without trashing pools or a persons freedom of choice.
I will d/l your pdf's and review them before I jump into anymore conversation here.
Thanks,
Sam
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The CPU usage of cgminer is extremely low. Most of the CPU usage you see is the driver interacting with the GPU. Even in debug mode there would be no demonstrable performance hit. As for hashing, it will hash if there's something to hash and something to communicate with. It won't keep hashing randomly on any old shit just to pass the time. So if it was hashing, then it was still communicating with something, or the driver hung.
Hmm, I may do some more testing on my config and see. I'm sure I probably did something wrong or overlooked something. Anyway I have *faith* that it's working correctly now.  Thanks, Sam |
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You can add solo mining as a backup in the current version as well, it just won't show any shares because there's no such thing, only block solves.
How do we know for sure that it is actually working? I'm still using 2.0.5 part of the time because it gives feedback that solo mining is working. Sam Faith.... Or debug mode if you're really concerned. I thought you were going to say something like that As for debug mode, that would have a serious performance hit wouldn't it? I'm fairly confident in my configuration now so I guess it doesn't matter much now moving forward as I can always fire up an older version to test if I felt the need. I was a little unnerved when I stopped my client running in server mode and CG Miner kept hashing at full speed. I would have thought it would have detected the failure. Sam |
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You can add solo mining as a backup in the current version as well, it just won't show any shares because there's no such thing, only block solves.
How do we know for sure that it is actually working? I'm still using 2.0.5 part of the time because it gives feedback that solo mining is working. Sam |
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I just wanted to reiterate the importance of having backup pools. cgminer makes failover super easy and I actually get more shares submitted with multiple pools. When my Pool 0 doesn't provide work fast enough, cgminer is smart enough to send a few shares to Pool 1 and then go back to the primary when it gets work.
What would be the best way to setup solo-mining as a backup? This would be helpful in case of another large scale DDOS attack that takes a bunch of pools out.
I have solo mining setup as my last backup. I start my bitcoin client with something like "bitcoin.exe -rpcuser=username -rpcpassword=password -server" from the bitcoin client directory. Then I point CG Miner at "-o http://127.0.0.1:8332 -u username -p password" just like any other pool. So I have the Bitcoin client and CG Miner running all the time. Sam |
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I have a nice weekend opened up for my birthday and the coding bug is hitting my pretty hard right now!
Happy Birthday. Sam |
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First off, thanks for writing this miner, I've used it for a few weeks on a linux system and it's fantastic. I tried switching to cgminer on a Windows 7 machine but I'm running into device init problems. The machine has 3x 5970s and cgminer reports 3 GPUs disabled on startup and says it wont be able to start them from the menu either. It is then unable to mine. GUIMiner runs fine on all 6 GPUs. I tried running it with various parameters but with no luck. 11.9 drivers, Win 7 Home x64. Any ideas?
Did your two .bin files get created? Sam |
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You guys could really care less about why anyone mines and deepbit or any other pool. You just want to belittle and be condescending to those make a choice contrary to your exalted and obviously superior intellect. If you really don't like the big three pools and/or their payout methods, then just start your own pool with your own methodology and I'm sure you will lay deepbit and the other big pools to waste in no time. Otherwise just shut up and let folks make their own decisions and/or mistakes, for that is how we grow.
I for one am through listening to your childish diatribe.
I wish you all the best.
Sincerely,
Sam
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Do you have plans to implement merged mining?
Now that profit is extremely low and NMC price falling to 0.01 BTC I ask you this "What is the point, considering it is such a pain and may impact on BTC mining ?" I won't mine at any pool that doesn't have merged mining implemented, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I'm considering not mining at any pool that does implement Merged Mining, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Sam And I'm considering not mining at any pool that doesn't implement a proportional payout method, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I'm considering not dining at any pool that doesn't have hot waitresses, and cheap drinks. Seriously, it's an open market. Find a pool that fits your flavor instead of bitching about this one not changing to fit your specific needs. Features are suggested and decided on, and implemented or not at the pace the pool operator chooses. We are guests in his world, and should show due respect. You forgot to add "and I'm sure I'm not the only one." But point taken and I fully agree. Sam |
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Do you have plans to implement merged mining?
Now that profit is extremely low and NMC price falling to 0.01 BTC I ask you this "What is the point, considering it is such a pain and may impact on BTC mining ?" I won't mine at any pool that doesn't have merged mining implemented, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I'm considering not mining at any pool that does implement Merged Mining, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Sam |
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If you have access to a 0% PPS pool then it is "wrong" (as in stupid) to use a proportional pool.
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In the long run you can't earn more than 0% fee PPS unless you are pool hopping.
Doing something wrong=immoral. Being stupid isn't the same as being immoral. How does a 0% PPS pool make a profit? Or stay in business/service? Sam |
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What is your reasoning for operating a pool? For profit? or for some other reason(s)? Everything I do with Bitcoin is for the sole purpose of promoting the Tonal number system. Hmm, OK. Just picking up after Nystrom I guess. Have fun with that, Sam |
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How do some pools plan on staying in business? I prefer to use pools that have a clear and disclosed plan for maintaining sustainability. That's the difference between PPS and SMPPS: the latter has a clear plan for not going under in extreme bad luck. According to the horribly outdated chart that is what your pool uses, I assume? What is your reasoning for operating a pool? For profit? or for some other reason(s)? Just curious, Sam |
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With PPS, fee or no fee, you mine at a flat rate. So if, so called, luck is good you loose if it is bad then you win or least break even. The law of large numbers means that in the long run, you will never have consistently good "luck" anyway. The only potential gain from non-PPS is short-term good "luck". Also, you don't lose it by using PPS-- you simply don't get paid an unfairly high amount. PPS pays you what is "fair" for each share. Do you complain because blocks only pay 50 BTC, and not more when you're "lucky"? I have no problem with PPS model/pools. A person was making a point that it is somehow wrong to use anything but a 0% PPS pool. I was just trying to explain that PPS is just a flat rate payment. A proportional type payment varies from round to round according to how many shares were contributed. There is nothing "wrong" with using either method. Good Luck just means that your GPU got some hash's in on short blocks so your pay per share is higher. There's nothing wrong with that. No I don't complain that there is only 50 BTC pay per block. But I guess some people do because some pools pay out more than 50 BTC per block. How do some pools plan on staying in business? I prefer to use pools that have a clear and disclosed plan for maintaining sustainability. Sam |
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I just don't like PPS, pool owner takes away the "risk" of bad (and good!) luck at the cost of a huge fee: I prefer keeping the luck for a much lower fee.
There are 0% PPS pools like abcpool.co which means you have zero risk as well as zero fees. If you don't mine in such a pool then you either support other models for ideological reasons, or like to earn less money for some masochistic reason. With PPS, fee or no fee, you mine at a flat rate. So if, so called, luck is good you loose if it is bad then you win or least break even. What do you call "ideological reasons"? You get what you pay for. There is no such thing as a free ride. Sam |
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Why are you all so Anti-Deepbit? It is a threat to Bitcoin, since it is close to (and has at times even attained) the 50% required to compromise the security of the network. Just because Deepbit may have had the ability, which has not been proven, it doesn't mean it has the intent to compromise the network. If one really wanted to do what you suggest they wouldn't do it publicly, they would do it stealthily. Anyway success doesn't equal nefarious intent. Sam |
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