Then the threads that will be getting created here en masse will be "I lost my Secret Key please reset". There are several two factor options available on the new forum software and I if theymos was going to implement them on this forum he likely would have by now but the current software isn't great for this.

Well if it wasn't for unyil that would have probably earned you bastard of the week  . I had the Man City game down as 3-0 and ended up with a measly 40 points total. Better than nothing I suppose.

Edit: Table has updated. You got 60. Unyil got 130. Cicciobtc moves up to only 20 points behind StephenCurry333 with 80 points and both me and steph stay in our same places with 40 points each. I think it really is a fight between the top five now.

I just read this and I don't see how it's relevant to my suggestion. My suggestion would actually stop this sort of behaviour because this is what is likely going on now. Much like people are farming facebook accounts and likes etc people have been farming accounts here for years and now they'll be doing so with merit. In fact, it's much easier and probably much more profitable to farm accounts here now. On facebook you need a valid email address and a phone number. Here you need neither of those. Now, people farm accounts in an industrial scale both here and on facebook because it's completely free to do so other than a minimal bit of effort (which is obviously well worth it). Create an account, make some shitposts or copy and paste something and earn from any one of the hundreds of crapcoin campaigns that are constantly willing to pay you to spread their scam. If the only way you can have a signature here is to pay a hefty fee then this pretty much puts a stop to this industrial abuse instantly. Genuine users can have one or two accounts to post/earn with but the people who come here to abuse lazy campaigns with their dozens to hundreds of accounts are out of luck.

I also got ten points on that game but had 1-1 down instead. Measly 20 points so far but seems that's pretty much the best everyone else did apart from unyil again who leads the pack with a massive 70 points so far:

Oh look, another thread that is probably the fifth this week that has been trashed:

What has changed in your life by Bitcoin?





And not surprisingly people are copy and pasting from reddit again:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7gax42/bitcoin_has_changed_my_life/

Shit's mind-numbing. I swear I've lost IQ points moderating this forum.

Mathematically I think they can, but it also depends on the results of the teams above them. They're pretty much relegated because of this but they certainly shouldn't give up. If they won all their games and the teams above them didn't then they can get out but the chances of that happening are slim.

He can always change his mind. I also don't think he's stated he would be against being able to purchase them in addition to ranking up naturally. We have Copper membership so Silver and Gold isn't a stretch and offering them in addition to being able to rank up shouldn't be any issue at all. He has already stated that the next step will be likely to remove signatures altogether so I think even sig spammers would rather at least have the option to buy them as opposed to not being able to have them at all. Even an impoverished person could probably beg steal or borrow the money to be able to purchase a sig to use an account here especially if it's their only source of income. Most of the people who are posting here will likely already have enough to buy one any way.


It get's harder for sure, but people have so many alts and "friends" here that they just constantly trade them between themselves for shitposts every-time they get them and that's what they do. If you have alts or friends here of course you're going to look to give it to one of them rather than merit a deserving post.


That's exactly the question I asked especially because all it does is further hurts the forum. Money that could have gone to the forum is now just saved or paid out to sig spammers to cause even more mess whilst the forum suffers financially.

Ugh. Had 1-2 down to Liverpool and West Brom just equalised for 2-2 in the 88th minute. It's always more frustrating when you get fucked in the last few minutes.

I think City will still win comfortably, though Swansea are fighting to stay out of the relegation spots so maybe we could see an upset depending what team City put out. They might be trying to start players so they can qualify for medals due to having to have played a minimum amount of games. 

I don't believe he's elaborated as to why he's against it. As a middle ground we could experiment and offer the option to buy them in addition to being able to rank up naturally. Like we already have with Copper Rank we can have Silver and Gold Member. Silver gets you all the benefits a Full Member for maybe $150 and Gold gets you all the benefits of a Hero for $250. I don't see why this would be an issue because people can still rank up normally or just purchase the rank if they are willing and people do this by buying accounts anyway. Offering these ranks would severely limit account farming. If this was the only way to get them it would pretty much stop account farming 100%.

How so? Can you explain how the "real" users would leave? Most of the "real" users have already left because this forum has just been swarmed and overtaken with the shitposters the pharmacist listed. Everything will be the same apart from you don't have a signature at all unless you pay for it. These users do it professionally because it is currently 100% free to create an unlimited amount of accounts so they do. How is your average, unemployed illiterate Filipino/Indonesian going to afford $500 per account for a signature on his dozens of accounts? If this was the case most people would be limited to one or two accounts and it wouldn't be profitable to do this industrially. There isn't really any other way to prevent this sort of abuse because accounts can be easily farmed and now they are now done so along with merits (or they just trade them between their "friends").  It doesn't effect anyone at all other than sig spammers because users who come here just to post aren't penalised at all. The only people who would complain about this are the type of people who complain about merit and they wouldn't be missed at all.

Why should we limit it? If someone spends hours writing or maintaining a thread then people should be able to merit it how they see fit. If people think a post or thread is worth a thousand merits then let them merit it so. It always blows my mind how many threads people are going to create complaining about merit just to try get some themselves or assure others don't get as much as they should.


Or maybe they get them for writing helpful. Informative posts. People should try it themselves. You never know, you might get some merit.

Welcome to bitcointalk. I trash one of those why did you come to bitcointalk threads probably a few times a week. They're saying that because that's why they are all here because their friend/son/coworker/husband/brother/classmate probably did in fact tell them about this forum. They probably also told them that if they can't speak English very well just copy a post from earlier in the thread or google for an asnwer and we can see that from the second and third replies which are both from reddit:



There will probably be many more copy and pastes in that thread.

As I've said before knowledge of this forum will be spreading like wildfire throughout the offices, streets and playgrounds of the Philippines and Indonesia because where else can you good earn money online from doing relatively nothing? I've seen people even say they've quit their office jobs to 'do bitcoin full-time'. A lot of them can't even believe it themselves at first because you often see them saying things like "when I was told about bitcoin I thought it was a scam and too good to be true" etc and you've quoted some of them yourself:



This is mostly why I'm still in favour of people paying a substantial fee to have a signature. It will stop the majority of these users signing up with dozens-hundreds of alts just to say the same thing over and over again and this problem is only going to get exponentially worse especially as crapcoin campaigns are willing to pay for any old rubbish time after time.

The same thing happened with the last round. It'll just be included with next weeks games. Just make sure to check in on Monday after it's updated.

I'm not expecting to get many points from this round. West Brom game could be interesting especially coming back from a win at Old Trafford and if they can win this there may be a chance they could save themselves from relegation but Liverpool are still going to be a tough team to beat.

I don't think most of us are missing the point; we're just saying that this won't work nor will theymos implement it any way. I know paying a price would be a very effective mechanism against people to minimise the spam and is why I've suggested people have to pay for signatures before because at least that doesn't effect people who just want to come here to talk about bitcoin or get a question asked, but let's say we go with your suggestion. At what price would it cost to make a post here? Fractions of a cent? A Cent? Fiddy cents? A dollar? Five dollars? Sure, if it was a fraction of a cent I'd likely pay it but so would many others including trolls and spammers. A cent, probably the same? Fifty cents? Maybe, maybe not. A very determined troll would also likely have no issue in paying a fee no matter what the amount. What then? The "bitcoin is a ponzi" NLC troll has been trolling this forum for years with literally thousands of bot accounts and he must have spent quite a bit of time, energy and money paying the evil fees over and over again but he still pops up every now and again (usually when the price tanks) to troll once again.


A lot of us feel your frustrations about the decline in quality here and many of us including myself have put forward numerous suggestions to try curb spam, but trolls are a part of any forum these days and this one is just a huge victim of bitcoin's success. As long as bitcoin is worth something or has huge potential as an investment then people are going to flock here in droves to try earn it for free and I don't think paying a 0.0000001 fee every time they want to make a post here is going to change that. All it will do is put off innocent people who just wanted to come here to get a quick answer to a question whilst the ones that will benefit are the people who are prepared to pay it. If you're looking or hoping for the good old days where it was just satoshi and few cypherpunks having an intelligent discussion about a technology that could change the world then I'm afraid that time period has gone and probably isn't ever going to come back no matter how much it costs to post here.

I think you should try look at this objectively because I'm not sure why this is an issue or can't be asked here. Bitcointalk is probably the best place that you can get any sort of information on bitcoin and anything related to it so these questions are bound to be asked. Sure, people come here just to try earn some money or ask for other sources to do that, but many others also come here for valuable help directly related. What would you like us to do exactly? Block or trash any mention of twitter or any suggestions for other sites? I think there's bigger issues to worry about here.

Not quite. I've been suggesting we remove signatures from ranks for years.


I don't think they'll be able to game paying a hefty fee for a signature, but any way of being able to achieving anything here naturally will be gamed/abused though.


This would be abused. People would just report or bot people's posts they don't like.

The forum is wall-to-wall shitpositng but I don't think this is the solution. Simply banning the crapcoin campaigns that do nothing but pay for any old broken English spam would go a long way and is the bare minimum we should be doing but if we were to charge for anything it should be for a signature. If you get money back for receiving merits it will just lead to even more abuse and the system is already heavily exploited by those giving merit to their alts and "friends" so this would just happen in even greater numbers when there's cash refunds on the line.

You already got an answer. Is it illegal to sell? If so, then no. I'm still not even sure what you're selling but if you're selling an account with somebody else's personal details or verifications then probably not.

Pretty poor round for everyone. Most people only got 10 or 20 points with unyil being the exception:



Another short round this week with only five games due to cancellations. No exciting match ups either.


Top five, but it will be distributed roughly like you mention. The exact figures are somewhere in this thread I believe.


Wenger is to step down at the end of the season:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/20/arsene-wenger-to-leave-arsenal-at-the-end-of-the-season

Long overdue in my opinion.

Yawn, yet another thread moaning bout merit. I also have a challenge for you: How about you start writing more than one or two lines and actually put some effort into your posts and see how fast you get merit? People who make great, informative posts will likely have no trouble getting merit, but for those who are just churning out lazy, mediocre drivel just to get paid, then yeah, they probably won't get any merit unless they cheat the system.


Why would a Newbie quit because they didn't get merit? The only people who are going to quit are those that are here purely to earn and if they leave just because they can't contribute something worthwhile then they won't be missed.