"planning for life after death."??
Dude, that's just... I mean... Know what? You plan for life after death. I'll stick to my gadgets.
We'll leave you alone with your "religious science" and just hope that you'll do the same.
I'm sick of Jehova's Witnesses knocking on my door at 7 in the morning on saturdays - that's the real sin.
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Who gives a fuck what the French think about our domestic laws? What are they going to do? Not call us for help again next time they get their asses kicked?
Dude if you don't want my opinion don't go on a thread named "your opinion on guns' control". For the "not call us for help" part, yeah thanks when you see how you screwed us after I wonder if nazis were not better... And I like it how WWII is the proof of French incapacity to protect themselves and American great heart but how Lafayette is forgotten. I'll take the time to read your links later. But as I said and as you ignored, I apologized for the misunderstanding of the stats you provided. I can't really give you more than an apology. But it doesn't demonstrate your point as I was talking about violent crimes. Of course you could argue that "making a population safe" aso includes minor crimes like thefts. But guns won't increase thief, that's rather obvious there is no corelation between the two. So I was talking about violent crimes rates and homicides. That's why I was talking about mass shootings. And if my opinion offenses you, again don't go on a thread made for that or ignore me. LOL, an opinion based on "facts" from Michael Moore is fundamentally insulting. But go read some of the links and see what you think then. Ok so I took the time to read PARTS of your link. Yeah parts because it's deep and heavy legislation text in English and sorry but I took some times to read what seemed important, I' to me so I might have omitted some things. If you're not happy with that then go read the whole French legislation to have an idea of how difficult it is for a non native English speaker >< And... Well it perfectly confirms Michael Moore documentary sorry. I don't see any "propaganda" in what he made. The very basis of owning a firearm dealer license is "Is not prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition, nor in the case of a corporation, partnership, or association, is any individual possessing, directly or indirectly, the power to direct or cause the direction of the management and policies of the corporation, partnership, or association prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition;" So in short, not doing anything illegal. Which means that more or less any business can sell weapons and bullets if the local police force allows it. I don't see the propaganda here. Again, I'm trying to be humble as I'm pretty sure I don't understood everything of the USA legislation, but all I see is an incredible freedom of firearms. |
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My only opinion is that people can do whatever they want. But going around with deadly weapons is not something that they should be allowed to do. You can be free and happy without a gun.
No cause you can't defend yourself. Whereas if you own a gun, the society becomes much less violent and violent crimes and rapes are less frequent! Oh wait.... In fact... No...  |
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Maybe you don't debate like this in the USA, but here when two persons are engaged in a debate, we take care of everything said, which means that the arguments I presented and you just ignored are still important. It's not because you don't want to talk about it that it doesn't exist ^^
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You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers. Trust me bankers know how to abuse socialism just as well or better than capitalism. You are asking everyone else around you to be "over generous". You are asking them to risk their personal safety, the financial resources drained by the presence of the mass influx of "refugees", and potentially the breakup of the EU Schengen treaty agreement destroying Europe as we know it. All of this so you can protect your precious infallible ideology that will some how magically just workout if we just keep trying it even though history documents the mountains of bodies left behind socialism marxism and communism. The borders can and will be closed. You are too simple minded to realize that was the entire purpose of letting the mass immigration to happen to begin with. Now all of Europe can be locked down by the military and they can start a civil war in Europe! Socialism FTW!
P.S. I don't trust you, trust me.
You're saying that I should let my idealogy go because it's what will kill me. What a nice way of living. I'd rather die proud of what I've fought for. No we don't want guns. No we don't want liberalism. Keep it in the USA thank you very much. And we will welcome the refugees untill they're proven guilty of any crime. You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. It has nothing to do with me personnally. "You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers." Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country! P.S. could you at least try to answer correctly? You keep avoiding the subject, if you don't want to debate don't come here... You don't get it. I am not telling you to give up your ideals. You always immediately fall into a pattern of extremes rather than using logic to examine the situation. You do whatever you want in your own country. You have your ideals, just remember that in the next few years when people start paying the price for your ideals. You are what Marx called "a useful idiot", some one who is easily lead around by the most base instincts of humanity used to push political and economic agendas. You have whatever beliefs you want. I am sure in your mind you think this is something about racism, but this is just another tactic to guilt your nations people into welcoming its own destruction blindly in the name of "multiculturalism". These "refugees" that are flooding into Europe en mass don't give a fuck about you or your culture. They come from parts of the world that have been at constant war for thousands of years, and you think they will walk on European soil and magically they will become nonviolent? If the people of Europe are unwilling to defend themselves with force, Europe will just be absorbed and disintegrate. I am not telling you how to live, but I am telling you that your reasoning is seriously lacking in logic, and you and your countrymen will pay the price as a result. You: "you should take care and defend yourself again the flood of migrants who will systematically take down your country and your culture by force" My ideal: "We should never consider guilty someone until proven guilty, which means after he broke the law" Your statement automatically makes the assumption that they will. You're based on the fear of being conquered. Which is against everything I believe in. Which means you're asking me to give up on my ideals. And again you answer only to the part you want to. I'll ask again then: "You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers."
Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country!
You always immediately fall into a pattern of extremes rather than using logic to examine the situation.
You mean how you selectively chose which part of my claims you're taking care of? Or how you over interpret everything I say? Maybe you call this logic in the USA that would explain lots of things, but that's not how we call it here ^^ You know I can do that to, picking random links in order to avoid answering any question. It won't go very far though. |
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You were trying to argue that gun ownership has no effect on the rate of rape, and you left out Australia because it doesn't fit with your argument. No one but you claimed this is just about Europe or the US. You are the one who brought up the claim about which country "having superior rape rate" in regard to gun ownership, I simply refuted your claim based on your cherry picked stats.
No you're the one taking the EU vs USA part into the debate. Allowing people to defend themselves would be madness, but allowing your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters to be raped then executing the attacker isn't? Funny, aren't these things Europeans have been criticizing Americans about for years (ie the death penalty)?
Which is why I let Australia out (and the fact that I don't know much about Australia gun control policy). And cherry picked stats... Really? So the fact that 26 countries out of 28 in the EU have lower rape rate is not a proof that gun ownership is not an effective way to reduce rape rate? Can we talk how you're cherry picking the debate as a whole? You keep avoiding the difficult question and you don't prove your claims either: He who claims proves, and your proof is not very compelling, especially considering how large and diverse the US is compared to these other countries.
EU has twice the population of USA, 28 times the legislation complexity, numerous different cultures and etcnics groups, dense history, more or less 25 different languages, and you just come here and caim that it's "not so much diversified, especially compared to the US".
Oh and you're also the one that claims that my "Marxist ideology will cause the doom of Europe" but of course when it's you there is no need to prove your claims. marxists and socialists such as yourself will ensure Europe's speedy decline.
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Oh and you also totally let on the side road other things I say but that probably don't suit you, here is a small list as you're always in such a dire need of precision and logic: I'm not asking everyone else to be over generous, I'm saying we don't have really the choice concerning the migrants. Cause we just can't close the borders. That's not physicaly possible considering the size of European borders in fact.
You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. It has nothing to do with me personnally.
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You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers. Trust me bankers know how to abuse socialism just as well or better than capitalism. You are asking everyone else around you to be "over generous". You are asking them to risk their personal safety, the financial resources drained by the presence of the mass influx of "refugees", and potentially the breakup of the EU Schengen treaty agreement destroying Europe as we know it. All of this so you can protect your precious infallible ideology that will some how magically just workout if we just keep trying it even though history documents the mountains of bodies left behind socialism marxism and communism. The borders can and will be closed. You are too simple minded to realize that was the entire purpose of letting the mass immigration to happen to begin with. Now all of Europe can be locked down by the military and they can start a civil war in Europe! Socialism FTW!
P.S. I don't trust you, trust me.
You're saying that I should let my idealogy go because it's what will kill me. What a nice way of living. I'd rather die proud of what I've fought for. No we don't want guns. No we don't want liberalism. Keep it in the USA thank you very much. And we will welcome the refugees untill they're proven guilty of any crime. You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. It has nothing to do with me personnally. "You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers." Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country! P.S. could you at least try to answer correctly? You keep avoiding the subject, if you don't want to debate don't come here... You don't get it. I am not telling you to give up your ideals. You always immediately fall into a pattern of extremes rather than using logic to examine the situation. You do whatever you want in your own country. You have your ideals, just remember that in the next few years when people start paying the price for your ideals. You are what Marx called "a useful idiot", some one who is easily lead around by the most base instincts of humanity used to push political and economic agendas. You have whatever beliefs you want. I am sure in your mind you think this is something about racism, but this is just another tactic to guilt your nations people into welcoming its own destruction blindly in the name of "multiculturalism". These "refugees" that are flooding into Europe en mass don't give a fuck about you or your culture. They come from parts of the world that have been at constant war for thousands of years, and you think they will walk on European soil and magically they will become nonviolent? If the people of Europe are unwilling to defend themselves with force, Europe will just be absorbed and disintegrate. I am not telling you how to live, but I am telling you that your reasoning is seriously lacking in logic, and you and your countrymen will pay the price as a result. You: "you should take care and defend yourself again the flood of migrants who will systematically take down your country and your culture by force" My ideal: "We should never consider guilty someone until proven guilty, which means after he broke the law" Your statement automatically makes the assumption that they will. You're based on the fear of being conquered. Which is against everything I believe in. Which means you're asking me to give up on my ideals. And again you answer only to the part you want to. I'll ask again then: "You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers."
Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country!
You always immediately fall into a pattern of extremes rather than using logic to examine the situation.
You mean how you selectively chose which part of my claims you're taking care of? Or how you over interpret everything I say? Maybe you call this logic in the USA that would explain lots of things, but that's not how we call it here ^^ |
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Another dead cat bounce?
How many lives does this cat have left?
google search "bitcointalk.org dead cat bounce" About 6,780 results (0.55 seconds) Funny, I had only 2,550 results... Seems not everyone has the same Google  |
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My only question is, if earth is flat, what happens when you reach the end of the flat part? You..... fall?
Of course we're joking. How the hell can the planet be flat?
OMG - dude! you with the pictures - if you can show me the end of the earth we'll both go and make a documentary. And I'll personally film and post the evidence here for all the people to see. But if the earth is not flat and you're wrong you must let me kick you once in the balls as hard as I can - and I'll also film and post that. Flat doesn't mean it has the end. It's repetitive so you can join other parallel universes when you reach the both polars in the world.  heres the answer of one of the flat earther, beware its full of nonesense and stupidity!!! Parallel universes is the worst theory to come along. It is being used to explain everything. May as well just call it magic. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaagic!!! Well I like the theory but it's most a question of common sense in fact. |
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Just wondering when everyone buys bitcoin, weekly, monthly or just on the falls? thinking of setting up something regular to ride out the waves..... i buy bitcoin and save it every week no matter what the prices are .. seems you buy bitcoin for hold in the long term i think that's very good and today it's time to buy bitcoin because the current price is the lowest price in this january Yes it's very good because thanks to people like this people like us can trade on a daily basis ^^ |
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this whole country has been run by morons the last 50 years.
The fact that we are in this crazy debt but still help other countries is moronic.
Lets help ourself first and get out of debt.
What other country are you helping? Cause here in Europe we'd rather let you go back to your continent please... |
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small dump in the european night, one can't even go to bed here. and seeing such weird comments here on this thread makes the morning quite funny to say the least
The dumps are rather impressive. We're coming really close to some dangerous levels, I just hope it will start to rise again. I'd have some money I'd buy some coins! Cause it will either rise or it'll be the end of btc. |
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France wouldn't be fucked up by any kind of WW3. Who would risk getting nuked just to get Paris? We have no resources of value so there is no reason to attack us. Especially considering the fact that we have 600 nuclear bomb waiting for an order.
Having nukes alone will not save France. You need ICBMs to drop these nukes on the enemies. And right now, France doesn't have any long-range ballistic missiles capable of doing that. Dropping nukes from bomber jets is out of question now, as most of the countries have sophisticated air-defense systems capable of taking out all types of aircraft. And you're still not recognizing that it's a bit inconsiderate saying Greece had the only decent army. I don't know where you found this info but it's real big bullshit Greece spend 4 billions on its army whereas France and UK spends respectively 40 and 43 billions on there armies, which makes us the two most powerful armies of Europe, Germany having a really decent one with 33 billions of budget. |
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France wouldn't be fucked up by any kind of WW3. Who would risk getting nuked just to get Paris? We have no resources of value so there is no reason to attack us. Especially considering the fact that we have 600 nuclear bomb waiting for an order.
Having nukes alone will not save France. You need ICBMs to drop these nukes on the enemies. And right now, France doesn't have any long-range ballistic missiles capable of doing that. Dropping nukes from bomber jets is out of question now, as most of the countries have sophisticated air-defense systems capable of taking out all types of aircraft. You mean we have no nuclear submarines? Oh wait! Yes we have! We got 7 nuclear submarines able to "drop these nukes on ennemies" as you say, from anywhere in the world. Currently there isn't any point on this planet where we couldn't drop a bomb, except maybe you know the very center of the USA, I don't know how far they can launch the bombs. So yes we can Oh and we also have some stealth air bombers that I think might be able to drop somes too, but as you say lots of countries have very sophisticated air defense so I'm less sure of that. But as we don't need it anyway... |
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The UK government need to
prevent immigrants from
entering the UK immediately!
We MUST close all borders, and
prevent more immigrants
from entering Britain. Foreign
citizens are taking all our
benefits, costing the
government millions! Many of
them are trying to change UK
into a Muslim country! Ohh..
Dude... What you're saying is what most of right-wings government are saying in Europe, but it's just not possible... How do you do that? You put 3 militaries every 200m of borders? |
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It's a simple question about human rights. If you believe in human rights, you accept the necessity of self-defense. Without self-defense, there can be no human rights, only the illusion of them.
When a person employs the use of lethal force against an attacker, that attacker becomes unable to spread certain genetic deficiencies which poison the human genome affecting the quality of life for the future of humanity. It's a scientific fact, irrespective of what anybody believes, that every action or inaction will have a future consequence or reaction of some sort. It's already been established that a deficiency must be present to violently rape another person, no reasonable person would do it.
If you believe people are utterly incapable of determining when they need to defend themselves, then continue your gun control crusade. But if you believe you could identify an attack against yourself, and choose when it's reasonable to defend yourself, then gun control is an oppression on your ability to enact a dire need to defend yourself.
This is just so much bullshit it burns my eyes... 1/ No it's not a question of Human rights. The declaration of Human Rights says nothing about self defense but about security, and considering that violent crimes and rapes are more frequent in the USA than in Europe I'd say security is better here. It's a question of pros and cons of letting the people own killing machines nothing else! 2/ This utter bullshit implies that criminals have some perticular "crime genes" which is, not only stupid and not proved scientifically, but is also implying that being a criminal has nothing to do with your social status/condition/education but is all in your genes. 3/ Well go look at the number of deaths by firearms and massive killings in the USA and I'd say it's rather logical to assume that some people absolutely have no sense of control and it's far better to let the guns to the police. |
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It is not very easy to compare the rate rapes in Europe with that in the United States. In the US, most of the rapes are reported, while in the European Union, that is not the case. The main reason is the difference in the quantum of punishment offered to the perpetrators. In the US, rapists will be jailed from 30 years to life without parole, while in countries such as Sweden, most of the rapists avoid jail time even if they are convicted.
Ok that was plain opinion bullshit. You do realize that in most Europeans countries rape will be punished by at least 15 years of prison (if he surrendered to the police or in some borderlines cases with alchool involved for example) and it can go to lifetime jail in case of extremely violent rapes. Your claim is just plain bullshit and based on the fact that in Europe you don't go to jail until you're proven guilty. Sorry if we actually consider presomption of innocence a thing here... |
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I'm not sure I understand. If the attacker fled the scene and hasn't been found, them who is charging her?
I mean the police wasn't there, otherwise she would not have had to use the pepper spray, which means they have no evidence.
What the hell is happening? Is this a joke? What's happening with the scandinavian countries? I hear only bad jokes from what happens there.
Yes of course they have evidence because she said it to the police.... It's a bit like if you came to the police saying "somebody tried to rob me, I want to sue them" 'of course madam, what happened? Did you get hurt? Did he stole anything?" "Nah, I had my shotgun with me so it was ok" It's the best evidence as she admited being in possession of it. |
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I'm reading papers and (as every other day) news about a girl being stabbed and killed by a 15 year old boy in the centre for immigrant kids without parents. Then right below an article about migrants in Austria, where they we're not following the rules of the pool, breaking the inventory and were going into women dressing rooms, and of course the leftist party and socialist are critisizing them... Who's insane here? I was saying this from the start, what to do with them, we kill them and skin them. Dress the cold, feed the hungry.. Joke, It's a joke, but seriously, what's going on with Europe? What do you think, will something happen after Angela Merkel leaves and someone new, with different views replaces her?
Sigh...  Ok let's do this again. Seems like the flow of people yelling "wtf is happening in Europe?" will never stop. 1- what do you want to do? Kill/refuse every immigrants coming? (not sarcastically judging you. Real question here) 2- Don't you have the impression that the immigrants are like a very tiny little problem compared to how banks and great capital is fucking us? Did it ever cross your mind that maybe banks are the ones that caused the wars to begin with, and that the banks are fucking you all via this mass influx of immigration abusing your well intended but misguided socialist ideas as your own downfall? No of course you haven't. Like every Socialist/Marxist, you demand everyone be else be generous with their own resources and risk their own safety to satisfy your own ideals of justice. If the "refugees" are so important to you why don't you invite them into your own home instead of demanding everyone else do so? It is so much easier to just demand everyone else be generous with their collective resources isn't it? It is like being generous without all the pesky personal sacrifices of doing so. I'm currently saying that banks are the first ennemies... So yes it crossed my mind thank you! Banks are responsible for more or less anything that is currently ruining the ideal of socialism which is, here I agree with you (which is not so common) totally corrupted by our shitty leaders. I'm not asking everyone else to be over generous, I'm saying we don't have really the choice concerning the migrants. Cause we just can't close the borders. That's not physicaly possible considering the size of European borders in fact. You over interpret my thoughts I believe... And Marxism has not much to do with generosity but with fairness. Rather different trust me. You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers. Trust me bankers know how to abuse socialism just as well or better than capitalism. You are asking everyone else around you to be "over generous". You are asking them to risk their personal safety, the financial resources drained by the presence of the mass influx of "refugees", and potentially the breakup of the EU Schengen treaty agreement destroying Europe as we know it. All of this so you can protect your precious infallible ideology that will some how magically just workout if we just keep trying it even though history documents the mountains of bodies left behind socialism marxism and communism. The borders can and will be closed. You are too simple minded to realize that was the entire purpose of letting the mass immigration to happen to begin with. Now all of Europe can be locked down by the military and they can start a civil war in Europe! Socialism FTW! P.S. I don't trust you, trust me. You're saying that I should let my idealogy go because it's what will kill me. What a nice way of living. I'd rather die proud of what I've fought for. No we don't want guns. No we don't want liberalism. Keep it in the USA thank you very much. And we will welcome the refugees untill they're proven guilty of any crime. You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. It has nothing to do with me personnally. "You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers." Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country! P.S. could you at least try to answer correctly? You keep avoiding the subject, if you don't want to debate don't come here... |
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